Uh, David? More than half of the things you just quoted Arctic-Rain as saying were really posted by Ultimate Rebel.
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Well just cause i have only seen and played the first one i cant say anything about EVO or EVN. But who says that the confed keep out the pirates better? And if you look at it the confed are in the middle. And not many systems like pirates or the confeds or rebels. And the rebels are on the outskits of things. So there for its so much of a bigger pirate rating there than it is for the confed area. And its not easy for a pirate(unless human) to make it from the outskits to confed territory alive.
The partical beam and tactor beam thing im not sure about it was probably a plug in im not to sure on that. There was really no way for me to get plug ins at that time though.
And i have always noticed that a rebel destoryer has almost been able to take a confed crusier out. so a Rebel crusier could kill a confed from what i have seen from the first EV. That may have changed for EVN.
By the way this is a rebel post not a confed.
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Since when do Destroyers beat Cruisers? They never win alone. Maybe you're mixing up names, but still, Confed ships versus their Rebel counterparts have at least a 50/50 chance of winning.
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Well just cause i have only seen and played the first one i cant say anything about EVO or EVN.
So it's a good thing that we're talking about Escape Velocity, since neither of the governments we're talking about appears in either of the other games.
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But who says that the confed keep out the pirates better? And if you look at it the confed are in the middle. And not many systems like pirates or the confeds or rebels. And the rebels are on the outskits of things. So there for its so much of a bigger pirate rating there than it is for the confed area. And its not easy for a pirate(unless human) to make it from the outskits to confed territory alive.
There are less pirates in Confederation territory than there are in Rebel territory. The only reason this is the case is that if the pirates did set up in the Core Worlds, they would be destroyed.
The fact that the rebels are on the 'edge' of the galaxy has no meaning, since there's nothing beyond Rebel territory - it would be exactly the same if the two governments were in separate areas of space that only connected at the sides. This is why the argument that the rebels have the Confederation 'surrounded' has no meaning, either - each government has the other 'surrounded'.
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And i have always noticed that a rebel destoryer has almost been able to take a confed crusier out. so a Rebel crusier could kill a confed from what i have seen from the first EV.
A rebel destroyer able to take down a Confederation cruiser most of the time? I don't think so. The destroyer is the best ship the rebels have - it even has a slight advantage over the Confederation frigate, which is accentuated when flown by a human player, as the destroyer fits most players' styles - but anywhere else, the Confederation ships excel their rebel counterparts, especially in the case of the cruisers.
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By the way this is a rebel post not a confed.
So I should leave you to your mindless patriotism, is that what you're saying?
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What im saying is this is a rebel topic. Not a come bash on rebel topic. So what im saying by that is that maybe you should have respect for other people's topics intead of bashing on them the whole time.
And i never said that the destyorer can take down a crusier most of the time. I said that a destyorer can do lost of damage to a confed crusier. And i dont agree that the confeds have better ships cause from what i have seen on a one on one battle in between the a rebel cruiser and a confed cruiser that i have seen that the rebel cruiser wins majority of the time.
And david you said that "There are less pirates in Confederation territory than there are in Rebel territory. The only reason this is the case is that if the pirates did set up in the Core Worlds, they would be destroyed. " And that excatly my point. The rebels are on the out side where most of the pirates are. If you look beyond the rebel planets or truff there is one or two planets every little bit that are controled by priates. Therefor most of the pirates go into the rebel systems. As if they wanted to get to the confed terriotory they have to go through the rebels first. So yea that helps the confeds take care of less pirates doesnt it?
And also David in EVN there is the rebels and confeds. Its just they have diffrent ships and what not.
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**And also David in EVN there is the rebels and confeds. Its just they have diffrent ships and what not.
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Different ships. Different governments. Even different names: there is no ' Con federation' in Nova.
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**And also David in EVN there is the rebels and confeds. Its just they have diffrent ships and what not.
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It's a completely different game. EV, EVO, and EVN are all seperate games. The Voinians in EVO are not the aliens in EV (no matter how many times somebody thinks they are) and the Federation and Confederation in EVN and EV respectively are not related in the slightest.
There are only so many terms you can use that still sound like they'd be used in a space-based game. 
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**It's a completely different game. EV, EVO, and EVN are all seperate games. The Voinians in EVO are not the aliens in EV (no matter how many times somebody thinks they are) and the Federation and Confederation in EVN and EV respectively are not related in the slightest.
There are only so many terms you can use that still sound like they'd be used in a space-based game.
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Im sorry i got some info on EVN and i misread the goverments on the list i was given. But there are rebels. Are they like the rebels in EV?
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**Im sorry i got some info on EVN and i misread the goverments on the list i was given. But there are rebels. Are they like the rebels in EV?
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Er, not really. In the fact that they are rebelling against something, yes. Same reasons? No.
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**Er, not really. In the fact that they are rebelling against something, yes. Same reasons? No.
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What is the story behind them?
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**Play EVN, find out.
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I dont have a mac and wont have one till the end of the year.
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**I dont have a mac and wont have one till the end of the year.
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In that case keep your pants on. You'll have a Mac to play Mac Nova and then when Windows Nova comes out you can play that on your PC.
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**...And i have always noticed that a rebel destoryer has almost been able to take a confed crusier out...
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**...And i never said that the destyorer can take down a crusier most of the time...
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Hmm...
{edit} Oops, after rereading that, I see that you said almost, not almost always... Sorry 'bout that. Odd word choice and sentence structure, though.
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**What is the story behind them?
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They're rebelling against Bureau of Internal Investigation. Bureau uses torture and other non-democratic things against them that they think are Aurorans or Rebel spies. Read the Rebel preamble (avaible on Nova website) to know everything.
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What im saying is this is a rebel topic. Not a come bash on rebel topic. So what im saying by that is that maybe you should have respect for other people's topics intead of bashing on them the whole time.
If you're going to post an opinion on these boards - or, for that matter, express an opinion anywhere - you've got to accept that not everyone will agree with you. This applies especially when your opinion involves an expression of hatrid.
Besides, I haven't been 'bashing' the rebels 'the whole time', or even at all. I've done nothing but present reasoned arguments (many of them ones I've presented before - you should look through some of the old government debate topics) in response to claims made in this topic by rebel supporters.
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And i never said that the destyorer can take down a crusier most of the time. I said that a destyorer can do lost of damage to a confed crusier.
Ah, understood.
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And i dont agree that the confeds have better ships cause from what i have seen on a one on one battle in between the a rebel cruiser and a confed cruiser that i have seen that the rebel cruiser wins majority of the time.
Hmm, I've found that on the cruiser level the Confederation almost always wins, on the destroyer/frigate level, it's slightly biased in favour of the rebel destroyer, and on the patrol ship/gunboat/Manta, it's slightly biased in favour of the Confederation, but mostly a toss-up.
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And david you said that "There are less pirates in Confederation territory than there are in Rebel territory. The only reason this is the case is that if the pirates did set up in the Core Worlds, they would be destroyed. " And that excatly my point. The rebels are on the out side where most of the pirates are. If you look beyond the rebel planets or truff there is one or two planets every little bit that are controled by priates. Therefor most of the pirates go into the rebel systems. As if they wanted to get to the confed terriotory they have to go through the rebels first. So yea that helps the confeds take care of less pirates doesnt it?
Think: why did the pirates build their bases in rebel territory? From a game-historical perspective, they didn't just come into existence fully-formed. The pirates moved in near the rebels because any pirates who tried to establish a presence in the Core Worlds was stopped by the Confederation Navy.
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And also David in EVN there is the rebels and confeds. Its just they have diffrent ships and what not.
As others have said, EV Nova is a completely different game. The history of Escape Velocity's universe and EV Nova's world diverge in the year 1996. Nova's Federation is no more related to the Confederation in Escape Velocity than it is to the Federation in Star Trek , and its Rebellion is similarly a completely separate movement with a different history.
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I think that was the "what not" part...
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Well my friend got a mac today and i was playing and i saw confed and rebel cruisers get in fights and about three times and everytime the rebel crusier won. I think its a big part due to that the rebel crusier can pop out all four mantas which is a big leathle hit when nailed by four missles. But on the destroyer/frigate level i think its a close call. But i did see both ships kill each other plenty of times. But one the patrol ship/gunboat/Manta i think the rebels get their butt kicked almost every time. Espcially when a gunboat fights a manta.
By my whole point David is that its harder for pirates to get ot confed territory because of that. They cant set up because there is too many systems to get through to get to confed territory because even if they do make it through rebel territory they have to deal with a whole new threat. So about the whole thing about how this thing got started about how the confeds have a safer area is many because of that. They cant build up in confed territory because its to dangerous much less get down there. So its easier to start above the rebels where they mostly are.
And about my topic david this is a rebel topic to talk about rebels not so muc as debate them with confed favors.And i dont see how this is relating to any kind of hatred topic. Im not trying to put the confeds down at all. Im just trying to talk about the rebels. I happen to like the rebels, so i would like to discuss them. And im very aware that not everyone likes the rebels.And you have present reasoned arguments that are in fact very good and i agree with you on many levels. I wasnt saying that you were bashing on this topic it was a generalaztion.
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By my whole point David is that its harder for pirates to get ot confed territory because of that. They cant set up because there is too many systems to get through to get to confed territory because even if they do make it through rebel territory they have to deal with a whole new threat. So about the whole thing about how this thing got started about how the confeds have a safer area is many because of that. They cant build up in confed territory because its to dangerous much less get down there. So its easier to start above the rebels where they mostly are.
But the reason they are there in the first place is because it's safer for pirates around the rebels than in the Core Worlds. A pirate is just a criminal, and the pirate planets are just convenient hideaways - they aren't an organised government. Criminals can exist anywhere, but in the Escape Velocity universe, they all hide out beyond rebel territory. Why? Because the Confederation can't get at them there and the Rebellion isn't much of a threat to them.
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And i dont see how this is relating to any kind of hatred topic. Im not trying to put the confeds down at all.
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Im love the rebs and hate the confeds.
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Im just trying to talk about the rebels. I happen to like the rebels, so i would like to discuss them. And im very aware that not everyone likes the rebels.
Whenever you post an opinion, you inherently open it up to both agreement and disagreement.
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