Ludicrous? You may have noticed that our side took a huge amount of losses as well. If the stinking cricket outguns an interceptor, then Mac your pricing is incredibly screwed up. Sorry to say it but it's true.

Grundy was in crede, 4 jumps away from stornik. Check your map.

Firing was already happening. Grundy never withdrew his fleet out of the area of battle like you did at the end of your post, so the fire was already taking place at the time of your post.

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Quote from the official rules:

Fleets can move up to three systems per post.

That right there voids the entire battle, unless the rules have changed.

Maybe the pricing is wrong, but it's not my fault. Facts don't lie, and Crickets outgun Interceptors. Dreden tech is basically just as powerful as Alien.

Also, you and Grundy took only minimal losses compared to what you did to Skyblade and me, read the battle stats given by you and Grundy. If you will read my post, you will notice that the 36th pulled back a tad in the very beginning, regrouping, and then atacking again, so I did fire first.

Again, you didn't address the fact that you and Grundy treated us like we were stupid commanders, making us lose ships by making us do stupid things in your posts.

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Like what? be suprised by totally unexpected attacks? Thst dosent make you stupid, just unprepared. As for the three systems per post, Grundy asked in the discussion how far his fleet could move and was told 6 systems (by Skyblade if im not mistaken). In response to the Crickets being equal to alien fighters, did you not notice that Alien fighters have 300 sheilds? As to the larger losses of Dreden ships compared to Alien, well who said war was even.

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Originally posted by Azdara Ace:
**Quote from the official rules:

Fleets can move up to three systems per post.

That right there voids the entire battle, unless the rules have changed.

Maybe the pricing is wrong, but it's not my fault. Facts don't lie, and Crickets outgun Interceptors. Dreden tech is basically just as powerful as Alien.

Also, you and Grundy took only minimal losses compared to what you did to Skyblade and me, read the battle stats given by you and Grundy. If you will read my post, you will notice that the 36th pulled back a tad in the very beginning, regrouping, and then atacking again, so I did fire first.

Again, you didn't address the fact that you and Grundy treated us like we were stupid commanders, making us lose ships by making us do stupid things in your posts.

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Mac changed it to 4 a post for dredens and aliens.

yeah the pricing is bad.

I read your post, here's how it began:
"Azdara Ace immediately entered the airlock of the remaining Athena and took control of the ship, it would have to do as his command ship. He quickly sent off a message, and soon all of the remanents of the 36th were behind him. "All ships, form a tight rank and engage that carrier." The 36th's immense firepower slammed into grundulater's Carrier like a sledge hammer against a tin can. The carrier exploded, destroying some nearby and heavily damaged Alien ships. Using the explosion as cover Azdara Ace ordered the 36th to pounce on the 3 heavy cruisers. They didn't even see it coming. One of them fired back, destroying a destroyer and some fighters, but the other two could do nothing, their damage already too great."

no indication of a withdrawal at the beginning there. You just said for your ships to form a tight rank that's all.

losses: You and skyblade's losses combined following your post:
714.6 million

Mine and grundy's:

590 million

I admit that you lost more monetary wise because the liberty battlecruiser costs 320 million but that still only amounts to a difference of 124.6 million. We've seen far more outrageous battles, like the one in Verdica remember?

After your post:

you lost 27.5 million
grundy lost 294 million

total: your side lost 742.1 million
my side: 884 million

difference is now 141.6 million in your favor. If my initial stats were WAY minimal compared to yours, how is this any different?

Nevermind that, the only thing that I was really annoyed by was that you destroyed his entire goddamn fleet. His whole fleet, every single ship. God I hate it when people do that, and I'd hate to do it to you, but since you've decided not to give any back, I'm going to hit your fleet hard, but not annilhate it!

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Originally posted by Vice Admiral Ipvicus:
**well who said war was even.

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Then why are you complaining about my post?????

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Look, Kylethekender(sorry if the speeling is wrong), I have an apology to make. Your post was completely fine to me. It was realistic, and when I looked over it again, I found nothing wrong with it. It's just Grundy's post that bothers me. He killed so much in one post. My question is, how did he do so much damge agaist two fleets by himself. Again, I apologize for criticising your post, which was very realistic.

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It's me whos complaining (mainly cuz you destroyed completely grundy's fleet)

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Grundy killed:
1 liberty battlecruiser
1 titan
1 odysseus cruiser
4 thunderclap destroyers
7 hawks
11 lynx
and 18 crickets.

the liberty battlecruiser screws the pricing up because it's so damn expensive. Think of it this way. Had he not killed it, my attack would have definitely killed it. He also lost:

1 carrier
1 battlecruiser
2 heavy cruisers
3 destroyers
4 gunboats (equivalent to your thunderclaps)
10 heavy fighters
and 14 interceptors

maybe the liberty wouldn't have died, I may agree with that, but it wouldn't have made too much of a difference because i would have destroyed it, taking only some more losses (maybe a heavy cruiser and a destroyer) because it was already heavily damaged. My recent post was a lesser reflection of your post.

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Okay, whatever, it's in the past now. I got my revenge againt Grundy :), and I've cooled down some now. Like the Battle of Verdica the Battle of Stornik is now in the past.

Now I just have to get a fleet again, and then I can exact some more revenge. /me looks straight at Kyle

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Ace, you still have a fleet, albeit a small one. Grundy doesn't even have any ship. Keep in mind that the total losses in this battle favor YOUR side, not mine. Ugh, anything we do just doesn't work dammit.

Oh, skyblade missed this battle completely, I wonder how he would react to it eh Ace?

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/me walks in and shoves Kyle and Azdara Ace against opposite walls, to get them to stop fighting for a second.

Now then...

The rule about 4 per post for Aliens and Dreden is correct, I must have forgotten to update that in the rules. It's 3 for the Pirates and HC. Aliens have more advanced hyper technology, and presumably the Dreden would have learned that from them.

Overall I found most of that battle to be fairly realistic, even Kyle's last post was pretty close, primarily due to an offhand remark in it taht I don't think anyone (even he) really considered. First, the post where Azdara Ace blew out grundy:

Overall, I can pretty well see grunadulater's entire fleet being wiped out there, but there should have been more losses to the Dreden, especially fighters. First, let's start off with one thing: Crickets do not outgun Alien Interceptors. Lynx Heavy Fighters might outgun an Interceptor, but certainly not a Heavy Fighter. Remember, the Dreden Plasma "Beam" Cannons aren't beams. I wish Skyblade hadn't called them that, as I think it has created a lot of confusion. I may just change their official name to bolt cannons to try to alleviate that in the future. So, Azdara could have wiped out grundy, but his fighters would be pretty well gone. Edited stats on his fleet, at that point:

1 Athena Battlegunship (heavy damage)
2 Odysseus Cruisers (1 lightly damaged, 1 heavily damaged)
8 Thunderclap Destroyers (7 lightly damaged, 1 heavily damaged)
6 Lynx Heavy Fighters
5 Slicer Medium Fighters (all moderately damaged)

grunadulater did have a lot of Intercpetors left, and like it or not, they do massacre most fighters.

Now, Kyl'e post was actually a lot closer to the mark. He did mostly account for long range weapon salvos, from what I can see, and Skyblade's fleet could have offered only minimal interference. Observe that his fighters trailed behind the capital ships on the way to attack Azdara. that would make them a fairly effective aft screen against fighters, which is a lot of what Skyblade had left. So, edited stats after that post:

Kyle:

1 Carrier
1 Battlecruisers
1 Heavy Cruisers
3 Destroyers
19 Heavy Fighters
5 Interceptors

Azdara:

1 Thunderclap
1 Lynx

Kyle then leaves to Hogen.

Also, for future reference, Kyle does have the authority to edit stats himself, though I may come in later as a neutral party and redo them slightly.

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Originally posted by Kylethekender545:
Keep in mind that the total losses in this battle favor YOUR side, not mine. Ugh, anything we do just doesn't work dammit.

Perhaps not anymore. Overall I think you Aliens executed that pretty well, though had I been you I would have stayed to finish Skyblade's fleet, rather than switching to get Ace. More efficient that way since he's out of the battle. You're lucky you made that remark about dropping the fighters behind you though, or it would have been a lot worse for you.

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Hmmm.... I'm fairly pleased with the results of the battle. At least I still have a capital ship. Poor Skyblade, he's coming back to a destroyed fleet. I'll probably be demoted for letting him down... :frown:

Mac, I went over the Cricket and Interceptor and Plasma Beam Cannons do much more damage than Needle Beams, 6 times as much to be exact, unless I misread the stats.

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Originally posted by Azdara Ace:
Mac, I went over the Cricket and Interceptor and Plasma Beam Cannons do much more damage than Needle Beams, 6 times as much to be exact, unless I misread the stats.

Again, Beam > Cannon. Is that so hard to understand? Think about it. The Alien Heavy Fusion Beam in EV has the same damage rating as a Proton Cannon. Would you like to tell me that a Neutron Blaster is more powerful than it, since it has about three times as much damage as the Proton?

One Needle Beam is probably just barely more powerful than 4 Plasma Cannons, or maybe a little less so. But the Interceptor carries three of them.

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Mac, I mostly left Skyblade mainly alone because he never had any opportunity to post anything so I didn't think it would be fair for him to come back with his entire fleet destroyed. Also, since Ace decided to ignore my fleet completely while attacking grundy, I didn't take in Skyblade's fleet into major consideration.

Thanks for the comment about the alien fighters, because they were being way underestimated at their really really high cost.

Ok, since I'm able to edit stats, I'm giving grundy a small fleet back ok? How's this

Grunandulater, 15th, retreated to Hogen:

1 heavy cruiser
2 gunboats
3 heavy fighters
4 interceptors

I never thought it was fair for his fairly large fleet to be wiped out in one shot ok? And this is hardly that big of a fleet.

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My suggestion in the forum was just to thicken the plot. If anyone objects, then i'll abandon the thought.

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I lost my flagship? Give me a break.

a) That ship had Dreden Guards on it.
I would have put MANY Dreden Guards there
c) Intelligence officers? You think those wouldn't have been removed? I was an alien commander and would have known about them
d) How could unarmed aliens defeat Dreden Assult Teams?
e) As soon as I saw you coming I would have hypered out anyway,
I'm not an idiot

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a) I belive I accounted for dreden guards in the post, maybe not an equal number of dreden guards as there were crew members, but I accounted for them.
I assumed that no matter how many guards you had they wouldnt have outnumbered the actual crew, plus I atook suprise and really allmy crew had to do was capture the bridge, engeneering, or environmental control before they could have vented the atmoshpere of the sections of your ship controled by you.
c) Well considering you were a Cenaturian and I am the Legatus I would hope that i would have knowledge of the inner workings of the Alien Empire that you didnt have. Also if i remember correctly you claimed in your post to Skyblade that you were a low ranking officer and didnt know much. regardless the Intel agenst werent offically there they were under cover, and even if you knew of their preasance how would you have found them?
d) Venting their atmosphere, stregth in numbers, they could pick up weapons off of the guards they had already killed, or the Intel officers could have procured some kind of weaponry for them.
e) Man I am really tired of people claiming that "I would just jump away" right after most of their fleet gets blown away, how would you have felt if RC had just said "I would just jump away" at the Battle of Verdica? Or Grundy when Azdara destroyed his fleet? Azdara didnt whine about retreating, and he got killed by a fleet bigger than his. You shouldnt whine either.

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Up leaps the race of Earthmen,
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a and b)Maybe I'm not clarifying well enough, but I would have put enough guards on the ship to stop an uprising, which is exactly what you say happened.
c)That's actually a good point, but how could the "intelligence officers" persuade the guards to let them use escape pods?
d) I'm not stupid, I would have made very sure none of the crew members had weapons.
e) I'm not saying I wouldn't have taken losses, but I wouldn't have stayed there and fought a fleet that much bigger than mine. I would have gotten out of there asap, which you didn't let me do since you made my moves for me.

Edit: I still can't spell
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