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Originally posted by silver_wind:
**Grrr, you beat me to the Wraith:p

Looks awsome Jules... you use Wings 3D to model you ships, right? It's sort of laggy on my iMac.**

Wings for this one, and most of my recent ones. Still use Strata for modelling occasionally. Probably use it more once CS comes out

The laggyness of Wings sounds weird to me. It ran smooth as anything on my old Powerbook G3 under Jaguar (400MHz, 8Mb ATI Rage Pro Graphics Card, 320Mb RAM). I've not used the latest version on that machine, but I dont think that would change too much...

How well do you keep your system?

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I have a 233 Mhz G3 iMac, 128 megs of RAM, and the Video card that came with it ( 4 megs) and a Power Computing Powerwave with a Sonnet Crescendo G4 450 Mhz upgrade card, and 512 megs of RAM, but I don't want to spend $120 on a Radeon 7000 ( the Power Computing machine only has PCI slots, and that is the only Mac Edition PCI card I could find :frown: ) I am going to get more RAM for my iMac ( 512 megs)

How do you model in Wings and then render/ add textures in Strata? Also how on the Final Eclipse did you get the shark and other textures in the right place? mine usually end all funky...

(edit: I added you in iChat... my account name is silver_wind)
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(This message has been edited by silver_wind (edited 04-12-2004).)

Hey Skyblade, could you email me? I sent you an email a couple days ago and didn't get and answer, so I figured that you might have just deleted my message.

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It has the race histories, as well as 3rd party campaigns that take place before and after the standard SC campaigns.

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Originally posted by Artanis:
**Mission Transcripts from sclegacy.com.
It has the race histories, as well as 3rd party campaigns that take place before and after the standard SC campaigns.

**

**This is good and all, but there still isn't any real organization to this project. Don't mean to be an ass here.. I'd just really like to see this thing actually get done.:)

_bomb

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I can do graphics if the project comes up.. I can easily make a Nova ship out of my corsair, and many other ships, and shipyard graphics etc.. I have no experience making missions, and my desc´s aren´t really great, due to english not being my first language. I can make great desc´s in Norwegian though.

What we need is a person really comitted, and who has the resources to put all this together.

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I got a little bit behind on the Arbiter that I am modeling because I couldn't find a good pic of one... but I got one now and I should have a rendered pic of it up in a day.

How close to the original should it look?

(edit: Jules: do you plan on making a tutorial for Wings 3D? I know there are some out there on the Web, I just thought it would be cool if you made some. (based on space things like ships and weapons))
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(This message has been edited by silver_wind (edited 04-14-2004).)

Long, sorry.

I made these a while ago.

Armor recharge: I just converted the armor rating for each unit into points per second. Zerg get an additional pt/s because they regen already.
Shield Recharge: protoss get 1 pt a sec, roughly. Terran and Zerg need Def. Matrix, and it wears off. Protoss would be prohibited from getting the Def. Matrix.
Cost: credits = (Minerals * 10 + Gas * 20) * Time (my friend says I'm evil, for that formula and for my fake ocular implants idea)

Ships in SC & Brood War w/ possible Nova stats
Unit Stats 	 Armor	ARech	Shield	SRech	Cost  UpgradeTo	UprgadeCost
	Zerg Overlord  (200)	(33)	()	(-33)	(40000)  ()  ()
	Zerg Mutalisk  (120)	(33)	()	(-33)	(120000)	()  ()
	Zerg Guardian  (150)	(33)	()	(-33)	(220000)	()  ()
	Zerg Devourer  (250)	(33)	()	(-33)	(320000)	()  ()
	Zerg Queen  (120)	(33)	()	(-33)	(150000)	()  ()
	Zerg Scourge  (25)	(33)	()	(-33)	(52500)  ()  ()
NoBuy	Matriarch(ZQ)  (300)	(133)	()	(-33)	(800000)	()  ()
NoBuy	Kukulza(ZM)  (300)	(133)	()	(-33)	(480000)	()  ()
NoBuy	Kukulza(ZG)  (400)	(166)	()	(-33)	(880000)	()  ()
NoBuy	Kukulza(ZD)  (500)	(200)	()	(-33)	(1280000)	()  ()
NoBuy	Yggdrasill(ZO)  (1000)	(166)	()	(-33)	(160000)	()  ()

	Terran Pheonix  (60)	()	()	(-33)	(160000)	(Terran Wraith) (50000)
	Terran Wraith  (120)	()	()	(-33)	(210000)	()  ()
	Terran Science Vessel	(200)	(33)	()	(-33)	(440000)	()  ()
	Terran Dropship  (150)	(33)	()	(-33)	(150000)	()  ()
	Terran Battlecruiser	(500)	(100)	()	(-33)	(1330000)	()  ()
	Terran Valkyrie  (200)	(66)	()	(-33)	(250000)	()  ()
NoBuy	Tom Kazansky(TW)  (500)	(133)	()	(-33)	(960000)	()  ()
NoBuy	Magellan(TSV)  (800)	(133)	()	()	(2000000)	()  ()
NoBuy	Hyperion(TBC)  (850)	(133)	()	(-33)	(3840000)	()  ()
NoBuy	Norad II(TBC)  (700)	(133)	()	(-33)	(6400000)	()  ()
NoBuy	Norad III(TBC)  (1400)	(166)	()	(-33)	(12800000)	()  ()

	Protoss Archon  (10)	()	(350)	(33)	(840000)	()  ()
	Protoss Dark Archon	(25)	(33)	(200)	(33)	(780000)	()  ()
	Protoss Corsair  (100)	(33)	(80)	(33)	(140000)	()  ()
	Protoss Shuttle  (80)	(33)	(60)	(33)	(120000)	()  ()
	Protoss Scout  (150)	()	(100)	(33)	(420000)	()  ()
	Protoss Arbiter  (200)	(33)	(150)	(33)	(1280000)	()  ()
	Protoss Carrier  (300)	(133)	(150)	(33)	(1190000)	()  ()
	Protoss Interceptor	(40)	()	(40)	(33)	(5000)  ()  ()
	Protoss Observer	(40)	()	(20)	(33)	(70000)  ()  ()
NoBuy	TassadarZeratul(PArch)	(100)	(100)	(800)	(33)	(3360000)	()  ()
NoBuy	Mojo(PS)  (400)	(100)	(400)	(33)	(1920000)	()  ()
NoBuy	Gantrithror(PC)  (800)	(133)	(500)	(33)	(5320000)	()  ()
NoBuy	Danimoth(PArb)  (600)	(100)	(500)	(33)	(6560000)	()  ()
NoBuy	Artanis(PScout)  (250)	(100)	(250)	(33)	(1920000)	()  ()

(about the fake implants: cost: 500,000 cr. essentially, your radar won't work, murk is 100, your de ionize is screwed, and you can hold a lot of ionization. They can't be sold, Only removed by a 500,000 cr operation. Real implants, 1 mil. And they rock)

Variations
Ship Variations
Zerg Overlord  (Young)
Zerg Overlord  (Mature)
Zerg Overlord  (Old)
Yggdrasil  (Pers)

Zerg Mutalisk  (Young)
Zerg Mutalisk  (Mature)
Zerg Mutalisk  (Old)
Kukulza 	 (Pers)

Zerg Guardian  (Young)
Zerg Guardian  (Prime)
Zerg Guardian  (Old)
Kukulza 	 (Pers)

Zerg Devourer  (Young)
Zerg Devourer  (Mature)
Zerg Devourer  (Old)
Kukulza 	 (Pers)

Zerg Queen  (Young)
Zerg Queen  (Mature)
Zerg Queen  (Old)
Matriarch  (Pers)

Zerg Scourge  (Low Yield)
Zerg Scourge  (High Yield)

Terran Phoenix  (Proto-01)
Terran Phoenix  (Proto-02)
Terran Phoenix  (Proto-04)

Terran Wraith  (CF/A-17)
Terran Wraith  (CF/A-17G)
Terran Wraith  (CF/A-17GX)
Tom Kazansky  (Pers)

Terran Valkyrie  (M/A-25)
Terran Valkyrie  (M/A-25a)
Terran Valkyrie  (M/A-26)
Susan Kazansky  (Pers)

Terran Dropship  ()
Terran Dropship  (Armed Variant)
Terran Dropship  (Armed Variant)

Terran Battlecruiser	(Year)
Terran Battlecruiser	(Year +5)
Terran Battlecruiser	(Year +8)
Hyperion  (Pers)
Norad II  (Pers)
Norad III  (Pers)

Terran Science Vessel	(Explorer Class)
Terran Science Vessel	(Defender Class)
Terran Science Vessel	(Havoc Class)
Magellan  (Pers)

Weaps in SC (and bays for all fighters)
Terran (includes possible variations)
20mm Guass Cannon
30mm Auto Cannon
80mm Cannon
120mm Arclite Shock Cannon
Plasma Burst
Burst Laser
Burst Laser; Accurate
Burst Laser; Power
Laser Battery; Accurate
Laser Battery; Power
Laser Battery; Turret, Accurate
Laser Battery; Turret, Power
Fragmentation Rocket
Lockdown; Fast Fire, Short Effect
Lockdown; Slow Fire, Long Effect
EMP Shockwave; Fast Fire, Small Radius
EMP Shockwave; Really Slow Fire, Huge Radius
Yamato Cannon
Hellfire Missile; Speed
Hellfire Missile; Turning
Hellfire Missile; Power
Gemini Missile; Speed
Gemini Missile; Turning
Gemini Missile; Power
Spider Mine; Power
Spider Mine; Turning
Spider Mine; Speed
Spider Mine; Long Life
Pheonix Bay
Wraith Bay
Valkyrie Bay

Zerg
Needle Spines; Fast Fire
Needle Spines; Speed
Needle Spines; Accuracy
Acid Shot; Fast Fire
Acid Shot; Blast Radius
Acid Shot; Blast Radius, Power
Ensnare
Plague
Glave Wurm; Fast, Turning
Glave Wurm; Power
Glave Wurm; Submunition
Mutalisk Bay
Scourge Bay

Protoss
Psionic Blade
Phase Disruptor
Psionic Storm
Psionic Shockwave
Photon Blaster
Phase Disruptor Cannon
Anti-matter Missile
Scout Bay
Corsair Bay
Interceptor Bay
Scarab Bay

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(This message has been edited by Artanis (edited 04-14-2004).)

Heh, I was just going to post an image on another topic and found this image I uploaded. It was just a size test of the Wraith (in a very untextured state). Gives kind of a good idea how it'll look in the game. What do you think of the size? Too big, too small, or just about right? Looks about right to me (as per the game), but I'll leave the final descision up to you guys

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Looks great.
I kinda got sidetracked and haven't been making much progress. Sorry.
I reread Liberty's crusade. They keep talking about Neosteel Armor, so whoever ends up doing outfits, make sure that gets in there. There are also mentionings of a Leviathan Class Battlecruiser.

Another thought just occured to me: if we set the game after the Terran Campaign, then Terran space has already been trashed. All the systems we know of have been infested by the Zerg and then burned into a cinder by the Protoss, and we'd have to make up just about every Terran planet except for Korhal, Umoja, Moria and Braxis.

So, I guess, the solution is probably to revert all the way back to just prior to the Zerg invasion. Terran players then start off doing whatever trade or pirating they want, and then join up with the Sons of Korhal. We could either end the Terran String there, and make just make one other protoss string for the protoss player, or we could make an overarching story for the Terrans that eventually leads to teaming up with Raynor and Tassadar.

I don't know. I'm beginning to think it may be best to just have one character, a Terran, and then give him/her access to protoss outfits later on via missions, and maybe get Zerg stuff in a sort of enslavers sub-plot.

Geeze. So many possibilities. Since I can't settle on missions, I think I'll start doing planet descs instead, since we're going to need them anyway and they're probably more immediately important than missions.

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Originally posted by Jules:
**Heh, I was just going to post an image on another topic and found this image I uploaded. It was just a size test of the Wraith (in a very untextured state). Gives kind of a good idea how it'll look in the game. What do you think of the size? Too big, too small, or just about right? Looks about right to me (as per the game), but I'll leave the final descision up to you guys:)

**

It's missing the tail fins...

Matrix

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Originally posted by what_is_the_matrix:
**It's missing the tail fins...

Matrix

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Heh. True.

The size is perfect, Jules. I think you should copy the model and leave one at this point and continue to model the wraith with the other. The Terran Wraith was apparently known as the Pheonix at some point in SC development (no one bothered to rename the sprite frames), so I think that having a kind of prototype wraith as a ship variant would be interesting.

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here's the arbiter that I'm working on. I'm not finished yet, (obviously) I just wanted your opinions on what I should change, or if it looks fine. Next I have to work on textures faints

(edit) big thanks to Artanis for hosting this!
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(This message has been edited by silver_wind (edited 04-16-2004).)

(This message has been edited by silver_wind (edited 04-17-2004).)

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Originally posted by silver_wind:
**here's the arbiter that I'm working on. I'm not finished yet, (obviously) I just wanted your opinions on what I should change, or if it looks fine.

(edit) ugh... how can I get the pic up? I don't have a website...

**

Email it to me. I'll host it.

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Here is plugin with my corsair. (url="http://"http://homepage.mac.com/jonaswaage/FileSharing5.html")http://homepage.mac....leSharing5.html(/url)
The ship resource is just there so you can test it in Nova.

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Nice work, people!

I took the corsair for a spin in Nova, and also RLE-d the wraith so I could do the same with it. I gotta say, I'm impressed with both. The glows on Modesty's ship are particularly impressive, as is the overall crispness of Jules' sprite model.

If Jules has no objection, I can post a link to the provisional wraith sprite plug here.

It's interesting to load up Paint Station Prime alongside the plugs for the ships, to experiment with different colorings for them.... If you guys go with govt color tinting as a major part of the plug, you clearly will have to do some experimenting to figure out what colors to put on the base sprites so they look good tinted. My initial impression is that you will likely want to go with light tint colors atop sprites that are mostly white, with some brightly-colored detail regions and with lighting that doesn't produce very deep shadows (adding the tints will darken the shadows).

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It's not done yet, but I'm happy I could actually begin to make this. Previous attempts at modeling from still images have met disaster.

(edit: I'll be uploading changes straight to this file.)

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(This message has been edited by Artanis (edited 04-17-2004).)

Nice BC start.
It's missing the side engine/weapon thingies though...
I was never able to produce anything even remotely resembling 2D. Some were even 1D!
That's why I deal with the bits and stuff. No creativity required.

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silver_wind's Arbiter:

Looks good.
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(This message has been edited by Artanis (edited 04-17-2004).)

thanks artanis for hosting it for me, I'll email you when I have updates.

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