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Originally posted by orcaloverbri9:
An alternative, if he decides that it is silly to be obliged to get something else.
Oh come on, that's just a suggestion by another name :^)
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Ah, but I never once mentioned graphics for Nova. Whether it is suitable to your needs depends on them;
But we were discussing his needs, so why mention Appleworks at all, if it isn't in the context of the discussion? I assumed that when you suggested it and said things along the lines of 'In any case, Photoshop is called PHOTOshop for a reason. It is meant more for photo-quality images rather than the slightly cartoonish style used in EV.' you intended it to be used for editing EV graphics. If I was mistaken, I apologise, but surely you can see how such a misunderstanding would arise?
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I only use it because Photoshop is very hard for me to use.
It's hard at first, but if you mess about for a while, trying out the different tools, it gets easier. Give it a go, it's well worth it.
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Might I point out that it is difinitively NOT a graphics program?
But we are discussing it in the context of editting graphics, therefore it must be judged as a graphics program.
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Oh, and it has animation support as well...
In the paint/draw modules?
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Why are you acting like I said "APPLEWORKS IS THE BEST! USE IT FOR EVERYTHING! NOTHING CAN MATCH IT LET ALONE MEET IT!"? All I said was that it could be used for certain things. I never tried to say it was better than the others.
I'm not acting like that. I've simply said that when it comes to editing graphics, it is very basic and a dedicated graphics editor would do a better job. Given the low price of a program such as Photoshop Elements and its vastly enhanced feature set, it would be a better choice.
I loved ClarisWorks. Always used it where possible for school work. Now that I'm at uni, I still use Appleworks for a lot of stuff, though I do the typing in TextEdit since the rendering in AppleWorks is pig ugly by comparison. Given its low price and versatility, AppleWorks is a great app, but when it comes to editing graphics, it simply can;t compare with a dedicated program.
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Perhaps you should take a look at Word, then AW's WP. Both are fairly close in power (AW tailing behind, again because the other aspects make up for it).
Heh heh, that's funny. AppleWorks doesn't come close to the power of Word. I had a rather bizarre workflow for one computing project where I was writing code on NeXT boxes, documentation in TextEdit, sticking it together in AppleWorks, then finally dumping it into Word to generate the table of contents and fiddle round with a couple of other things. There is a huge number of features that Word has over AppleWorks. 95% of the time, you won't even think to look at them though, let alone actually use them. I suspect you don't realise most of them are there. This does, however, come at a price. AppleWorks is cheaper, less clunky and handles images embedded in a document much better. Sticking images in in Word drives me nuts. It still rles supreme when it comes to features though.
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Also note that it has a spreadsheet, not quite as good as Excell, but still pretty damn good (read previous).
It's okay. Excel is vastly more powerful and a fair bit faster. One of the better Microsoft apps, IMHO. For the average user though, AppleWorks is fine and I've used it on occasion to edit files with ConText and ResStore.
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You can do less advanced editing with Drawing.
Less advanced than painting you mean? If so, it's not actually less advanced, but rather of a different type - vector as opposed to bitmap.
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You can make slide shows (no animation support? HA!).
Slideshows in the presentation module are a little different to actual animation support. With that logic, I coudl claim that iPhoto has animation support.
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**And then there's Painting.
Does that seem basic to you?**
Yes. As we are discussing the usefulness of AppleWorks as a graphics editor, rather than an all round office/productivity/creativity tool, the fact that it has word processor, database, spreadsheet, drawing and presentation modes is irrelevant. They make it no better at editing graphics. They make it a great all round package, but no more than a basic graphics editor.
I like AppleWorks. I loved it when it was ClarisWorks too. But I will never chose it over Graphic Converter, Photoshop Elements or Photoshop when it comes to editing graphics and neither will I rate it close to them for that task.
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Oh, and by the way, the Paint utility in Windows is more basic. So there.
Perhaps I should have said 'on the Mac'. Is Paint the one that comes with Windows Office? I'm not very familiar with it.
BTW, thanks for doing some quoting this time. Makes life a lot easier. Much appreciated.
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(This message has been edited by Jonathan Boyd (edited 09-22-2003).)
