Resedit for OS X

Flamingblade

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Originally posted by Demi-god:
**Maby the nova engine is able to recognise resources as compared to osx
OsX is run using java script (I think). and resource manager, by the way, os only usable on previous os's (I think)

Actully OS X runs on BSD since its Unix based, why would it run Java?
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Good luck captain...

Flamingblade

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Originally posted by Luca Rescigno:
**No one's forcing you to upgrade your OS to something that doesn't support Classic:p

Besides, I bet the next version of OS X will still support Classic mode. No OS 9 booting on any new machines, of course, and I'm sure they'll eventually stop shipping OS 9 at all (if you want to run Classic mode, you'll have to find a copy of OS 9 somewhere). Anyway, I guess we'll just have to wait for the preview at WWDC in a few days to find out what the real deal is.

Classic mode sucks
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Vaumnou

Flamingblade: double-posts are bad. Edit your first post and add to it if you want. But don't make two sequential posts unless it has been a long time (read: weeks) between them. Also, stop putting your responses within the quote block. It's misleading.

David Arthur: thanks for the info. I wonder why no-one has made a ResEdit lookalike for OS X?

-Vaumnou

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SpacePirate

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Originally posted by Zitchas:
**Thanks. I wasn't coming up with much on my spelling. I did get some really weird pages over at apple though. Looked like an english/dutch hybrid or something.

Anyway, just supporting the templates will be more than sufficient. Novatools is convenient and very helpfull, but... I sort of enjoy looking at things directly the way they are.

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I recall Dr Ralph doing some tests running NovaTools in Resourcer, but I have no idea what became of that.

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That would certainly be interesting if he really did... hmm, maybe there's some old threads search could uncover....

Pave_lation

Yea there is really any program to replace old good resedit. My computer have no anymore classic compatible and i cant use resedit, MC is good but it has no compatible 2 edit ships or outfits......plz if someone knows the way, can ya tell me? :frown:

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Originally posted by Pave_lation:
Yea there is really any program to replace old good resedit. My computer have no anymore classic compatible and i cant use resedit

What happened to your Classic?

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Originally posted by Pave_lation:
MC is good but it has no compatible 2 edit ships or outfits

It can actually edit all the resources through the built-in templates. They aren't as good as the graphical editors or NovaTools, but they're better than what we all had to use for most work on the first two games.

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Originally posted by David Arthur:
**It can actually edit all the resources through the built-in templates. They aren't as good as the graphical editors or NovaTools, but they're better than what we all had to use for most work on the first two games.

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Hey! EV Edit was great!

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Originally posted by EldritchEvil:
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Hey! EV Edit was great! ;)**

I, uh, beg to differ. We tried it for a while. It lost three copies of the early Nova plug in quick succession. We copied it to a floppy disk, erased it from our harddrives and them stomped on the floppy disk with steel-capped boots.

all the best,

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Myriad

(quote)Originally posted by pipeline:
(QUOTE)Originally posted by EldritchEvil:
(b) I, uh, beg to differ. We tried it for a while. It lost three copies of the early Nova plug in quick succession. We copied it to a floppy disk, erased it from our harddrives and them stomped on the floppy disk with steel-capped boots.(/quote)

I admit, EV Edit was rather buggy, but it was certainly headed in the right direction. It had an interface that was simple enough for anyone to use, much easier to handle than ResEdit was before NovaTools ever existed. The s˙st resource tool would have been especially cool had it worked.

It's bugs may have prohibited one from actually making a plug-in, but it was a good tool if you just wanted to have a glimpse at the resources of a plug-in you didn't intend to modify. Unless of course it crashed on you.

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hehhe. Res-Edit requires Resource Forks to work, and in OSX there are no resourse forks...
sorry mate...

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Originally posted by gazza_2001:
**hehhe. Res-Edit requires Resource Forks to work, and in OSX there are no resourse forks...
sorry mate...

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Really? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought Carbon apps had resources. Isn't that why you can actually run those apps in Classic?

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Vaumnou

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Originally posted by gazza_2001:
hehhe. Res-Edit requires Resource Forks to work, and in OSX there are no resourse forks...
sorry mate...

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Originally posted by David Arthur:
**Resources are just as present as ever in Mac OS X - in fact, the Mac OS X Resource Manager is faster and more flexible than the old one, and supports a few new modes of resource delivery, at least one of which is compatible with UNIX- and Windows-format disks that don't have built-in support for resources.

The myth that Mac OS X has no resources stems from the fact that certain types of Mac OS X-native applications (mostly ones that use the NeXT-derived 'Cocoa' frameworks) do not require any resources.

As far as resource editing goes, Apple has never released a Mac OS X-native version of ResEdit, although the commercial (read expensive) Resorcerer editor is available for Mac OS X. I don't know whether Apple's engineers have a native resource editor working internally, use Resorcerer, or are stuck using ResEdit in Classic like the rest of us, but at the moment those are the only solutions unless you use a special-purpose EV editor.**

gazza_2001, what did you say again?

-Vaumnou

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Hmmm, I should have done this sooner. This would be better placed on the EV Dev Corner, so I'm moving it there now.

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Originally posted by gazza_2001:
hehhe. Res-Edit requires Resource Forks to work, and in OSX there are no resourse forks...
sorry mate...

Please see my earlier post, which Vaumnou quoted. If Mac OS X had no resource forks, then EV Nova couldn't run on it.

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Originally posted by The Phantom Deftone:
Really? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought Carbon apps had resources. Isn't that why you can actually run those apps in Classic?

Not all Carbon applications can be run in Classic, but the ones that can certainly do have resources, as for that matter do many of the ones that can't.

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blackhole

OK, to resolve this argument, I'll make a simple statement:

OS X has resources

Fin.

Actually, no, traditional resources are suppored only on HFS partitions - the default. If you're weird and use UFS you'll break many old applications, including EV Nova, but this needs to be a concious choice.

OS X supports resources in the data fork of applications, as well as in the resource fork, and several other cool things.

Cocoa applications often don't use resources, instead they use 'Bundles' - basically a folder that looks like a file, that contains lots of files that can be treated as resources.

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pipeline

In Mac OS X, a developer can choose to have resources or not, as they please. Resource management is greatly improved in X, as David pointed out. You can also have resource file structures in data forks, which is cool.

all the best,

Dave @ ATMOS

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Tycho

why are people so quick to ask questions when the answers would take them 5 seconds to get if they search. i don't even want a resource editor but i found:
resfool: (url="http://"http://www.ljug.com/sw/resfool.html")http://www.ljug.com/sw/resfool.html(/url)

and resploder: (url="http://"http://download.com.com/3000-2205-10111931.html?tag=list")http://download.com....1.html?tag=list(/url)

i like resploder because the finder is your fork editor and you can use whatever program you want to edit the actual resources. resfool is cool if you like the whole editor being one app.

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Pave_lation

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Originally posted by David Arthur:
**It can actually edit all the resources through the built-in templates. They aren't as good as the graphical editors or NovaTools, but they're better than what we all had to use for most work on the first two games.

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Well, what happened to my classic is that we needed to reinstall whole system. When OS X was installed, somehow we were not able to install classic after that.

And that what u were talking about ''built-in resource templates'', is there a way to edit them?

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