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Originally posted by Jules:
**Im only going by what the w3c says... if you put in size attributes it isnt valid (for xhtml anyway, and xhtml is the way to go these days). Putting stuff like that in goes against what HTML was designed for. HTML was only supposed to be a way of laying out what you want on screen. How it is desplayed is supposed to be handled separately in style sheets.

Also, the load time variance would be minimal.**

Load times can actually vary quite a bit. With one image at a reletively small size, yes the difference is very small. But start putting multiple images especially of significant size and it starts to get pretty noticeable. Of course if you're not on dial-up there pretty much is no difference. And using the size attributes is actually XHTML compliant. It makes for clean loading pages, not just quick. Just to verify I checked out the W3C and they use XHTML 1.0 Strict for their pages and use size attributes for each of their images. HTML was meant to be horribly basic. No layout at all. Only through ugly table manipulation can you layout content with HTML. CSS was creative for layout control. Proper CSS uses HTML in it's style sheets.

My apologies for going off on this. I know it's off topic. This is just one of those things for me.

To post something to topic: Just keep it simple. Lose the funky color and 3D font. Incorporate something from the game maybe. Here's a quick example of something I threw together.

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(This message has been edited by Kame (edited 03-24-2003).)

I dont like the new one either. You are trying too hard to make it look cool, which infact makes it look bad :frown:

Look at Kame's banner - pure simplicity, yet looks WAY more professional that any of the ones you've put up. Sorry for being blunt.

Your site too is rather confusing. To be honest, its hard to navigate and not very nice...
::: How are we supposed to know what the buttons do? Use a graphics program (any one will do) and make simple custom buttons that actually describe where they go.
::: Dont have the content of your site restricted to a small area in the centre of the page, use the whole page, and use it well
::: Dont use a web-creation program that makes garbled code like the code in your site. Dreamweaver produces pretty nice code for a web-dev tool and you can actually read the source

Good luck
ewan

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(This message has been edited by Jules (edited 03-24-2003).)

Then you would like my old website better: (url="http://"http://www.geocities.com/alexcraftweb/")AlexCraftWeb(/url)

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Originally posted by EVWeb:

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It's a little better than that flaming one, in my opinion, I think there's too much negative space, also if this is going to be a title banner, it must me more horizontal than what it is now. The example Kame has presented us shows a better way in doing it.

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Sorry, but I think that other one looks boring, and ugly. Personally, I like a plain title with maybe a border and ships next to it.

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(quote)Originally posted by EVWeb:
**Sorry, but I think that other one looks boring, and ugly. Personally, I like a plain title with maybe a border and ships next to it.:p

ewan

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(quote)Originally posted by EVWeb:
**Sorry, but I think that other one looks boring, and ugly. Personally, I like a plain title with maybe a border and ships next to it.:)

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UNTIL FUTHER NOTICE Escape Velocity Web WILL BE INACTIVE.

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You should probably make that "Leave" button be a Javascript close window button. It would be better than a simple link to (must spell name right) EVula.

Suggestion...

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Originally posted by Evil_Spoonman:
You should probably make that "Leave" button be a Javascript close window button. It would be better than a simple link to (must spell name right) EVula.

I disagree. A link to my site certainly doesn't fall into the "bad things" category.

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To those people who would like to know, the fed Symbol and stuff are not part of the Title, they just get you in to why the Title is blue, and they will be part of the actual page, as the section after the symbol will continue with buttons on it.

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Originally posted by EVula:
**I disagree. A link to my site certainly doesn't fall into the "bad things" category.:)

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This is true almighty EVula, however considering the majority of people who will open the site will open it off of these boards, which opens a seprate window, thus to close that seprate window would be a good thing... Plus if you want to (url="http://"http://www.evula.com")link to EVula.com(/url) just look around...

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Are we off topic again? Well, I guess its better than getting bad reviews.

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Er, what is up with that text? It looks really crappy; I don't think the font you picked was meant to be used at that size, and the anti-aliasing is on a funky setting. A clearer (crisper) font would look better.

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Originally posted by Evil_Spoonman:
This is true almighty EVula, however considering the majority of people who will open the site will open it off of these boards, which opens a seprate window, thus to close that seprate window would be a good thing... Plus if you want to link to EVula.com just look around...

It's better than a link to Disney.com.

Concerning the new logo. Blue on black doesn't work. If you're going to use blue it has to be light.

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Kame have you actualy played EVN? Because that is how it is in EVN. So I think it goes fine, EVula, what is anti-aliasing? And maybe you're right about the font.

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(url="http://"http://www.evula.org/evweb/")EVWeb(/url)|(url="http://"http://www.evula.org/")EVula.org(/url)

(QUOTE)Originally posted by EVWeb:

Okay, it seems that the second is alot better than this 3rd one, again, you abused the negative space.

Too much black space and too much bytes all wasted. Blue is nice, but not how this text is used. You can barely read it against a black background.

You must make the logo simple, and have its basic design verticle or horizontal, not so blocky the way you have it.

Text should be dominant in the logo design, assuming that it is a title logo for your website.

Also, your logo and your website should have some kind of a theme so they can be consistent.

I suggest follow the example of what Kame showed you as well as the second submission you had. Those are much better looking.

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Here is the actual Title, the other stuff was for the site, but you didn't need it.
To get a good look go to EVWeb.

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I have a quesrion... Why do you always restrict yourself to such a small area of the screen. Are you still using a 640 by 480 screen or something? Its just a peeve of mine small pages You are given a huge amound of space to use so why not use it? Go on, be daring!

Another thing is I dont like how when you go to a page it replaces its link in the navbar with Home. You should just have a home button at the top of the bar - its more logical to have it there.

ewan

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Okay, now this seems to be alot better. Your next step is to work on the fonts, right now, its blurry (dang I need glasses). The text should be crisp and clear (probably fix the kerning). And finally, tone up the blue color just so that it makes the text very ledgible.

Once you have that done, it would be nice to add some few simple design elements to it.

As for Jules saying that you restricted to small space, I don't know about that, the size looks okay and that I think it should go at the top corner or something and not in the top center of your website. Besides, making it too large will take longer to load up the logo.

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(This message has been edited by Coraxus (edited 03-28-2003).)