Amazing what can happen when you add volcanos to engines... you turn the EVDC members into scientists!
Anyway, I like what I'm seeing so far. Already your model has more imagination in it than any of my models ( and no, I'm not being sarcastic ).
This post has been edited by EVWeb : 19 January 2008 - 01:40 AM
Nah, cucumbers make scientists. Volcanoes make philosophers :p.
@ue_research---development, on Jan 18 2008, 10:15 PM, said in you want to see:
But you make your own assertions about the nature of space- heat flow in vacuum and all sorts of different things. Do you know those things are true in space, let alone millions of light-years away? Have you ever been to space? Have you tested every single point in the space-time continuum that might count as space? If you actually believed what you were saying, you wouldn't be making those assertions!
Also, I did not mean that the 2nd law was 'absolutely true', I just meant that it wasn't 'relative' in the way that motion is 'relative'- defined in relation to an arbitrary point. Don't read so much into the posts- they weren't meant as some sort of weird personal attack. They weren't even directed towards you! Sheesh.
If humans have been to a given place, I can see the logic in making assertions based on evidence. However, I cannot understand humans making assertions on places that cannot be sensed. In fact all observations made of deep space by human have been made from our solar system and based on assumptions that have only been tested in and around Earth.
And just because it wasn't meant specifically to be a personal attack doesn't mean the five posts before, noting and an obvious slight error in my statement that everyone understood was an error, didn't deserve a rebuttal. For some reason the post berated, and made accusations, of me trying to disprove the Law of Thermodynamics. Obviously it was a slight error..that was fixed.
Still, my point stands. It is not known whether the law of thermodynamics is in fact uniform through out the universe. It may be relative, we don't know, because there may be factors outside our solar system that affect thermodynamics in weird and unforeseen ways.
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If humans have been to a given place, I can see the logic in making assertions based on evidence. However, I cannot understand humans making assertions on places that cannot be sensed. In fact all observations made of deep space by human have been made from our solar system and based on assumptions that have only been tested in and around Earth.
That still doesn't change the fact that the assertion you made about the nature of space should only hold in the couple of points where humans have actually been in orbit and done experiments. For all we know, according to your logic, the space not surrounding the Earth and the moon might actually filled with some sort of perfectly transparent jelly that we only don't know about because we haven't been there to observe. In which case, your argument 'space is near a vacuum' wouldn't hold. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying you're not consistent. If you were consistent, you'd prefix that statement with 'for all the points in space where humans have done experiments or made observations, we know space is near a vacuum, but we don't have any idea about any of the other points that we haven't directly observed, and we don't know if anything's changed since we last did the measurements.'
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And just because it wasn't meant specifically to be a personal attack doesn't mean the five posts before, noting and an obvious slight error in my statement that everyone understood was an error, didn't deserve a rebuttal. For some reason the post berated, and made accusations, of me trying to disprove the Law of Thermodynamics. Obviously it was a slight error..that was fixed.
So berate the first four people who made fun of you, not the fifth person who skimmed through the posts, read carefully the last two out of four, and corrected a mistake in the logic of the post right above him. Are you going to read any other conspiracies into my post? :rolleyes:
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Still, my point stands. It is not known whether the law of thermodynamics is in fact uniform through out the universe. It may be relative, we don't know, because there may be factors outside our solar system that affect thermodynamics in weird and unforeseen ways.
From a philosophical stance, I don't have any argument with that statement. Which is cool, because that's not what I was saying to begin with.
Anyways, I think we've derailed this thread enough (again), not because you really had any problem with what I was asserting about science, but because you didn't bother to read my posts. PM me if you want to take this any further.
This post has been edited by UE_Research & Development: 19 January 2008 - 10:57 AM
More like 'I've said my piece, I don't want to argue this any further, and if you want to think I'm a terrible person, that's fine with me."
All of his R&D must have invented a lightning post making machine. If that's the case I might need to bring out the JoshTigerheart's Department of Useless Plugs Topic Hijacker to counter him.
@ue_research---development, on Jan 19 2008, 08:30 AM, said in you want to see:
More like 'I've said my piece, I don't want to argue this any further, and if you want to think I'm a terrible person, that's fine with me."
(so you are asserting that I think you are a terrible person...why? Why would you think I want to think you are a terrible person simply because we have differing opinion or because we simply can have a heated discussion...while others just sit and stare dumbfounded or act as cheerleaders with their one line posts because they aren't capable or willing to discuss idea past their superficial surface?)
Examples:
@shlimazel, on Jan 19 2008, 08:31 AM, said in you want to see:
Let me get my samurai swords and bladed spell checkers! Looks like we got oursselfs a fight!
You feelin' lucky, punk?
EDIT: How did UE post a minute before me when I didn't even know he was there? He's like lightning!
@joshtigerheart, on Jan 19 2008, 09:21 AM, said in you want to see:
All of his R&D must have invented a lightning post making machine. If that's the case I might need to bring out the JoshTigerheart's Department of Useless Plugs Topic Hijacker to counter him.
@shlimazel, on Jan 19 2008, 10:49 AM, said in you want to see:
I'll get out my tuning forks. Between the two of us, his posts are DOOOOOMMMMEDDD!
Honestly, I think you and I are like water and oil. They just don't mix.
This is twice in the two weeks since I have been back that we have butted heads.
@archon, on Jan 19 2008, 11:13 AM, said in you want to see:
Archon decides NEVER AGAIN to make any sort of sarcastic comment on these forums in light of what just happened
I think that would be wise.
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(so you are asserting that I think you are a terrible person...why? Why would you think I want to think you are a terrible person simply because we have differing opinion or because we simply can have a heated discussion...while others just sit and stare dumbfounded or act as cheerleaders with their one line posts because they aren't capable or willing to discuss idea past their superficial surface?)
I appreciate the vote of confidence (and I mean that sincerely), but I don't think the EVDC is the place to have these sorts of arguments. We have JC and B&B for arguing about...just about anything, and the EVDC for talking about Nova development. I know that heated discussions are fun, but when they occurred in the past they were on things related to plug-in development. I don't have any philosophical quarrel with your ideas, and in any case I'm not interesting in arguing with them (or in arguing on the Internet in general- if I did I would be posting in those aforementioned forums). I think we can agree to disagree about disagreeing, though, and get back to the business at hand- discussing cool new projects. Go check out Revenant in the other thread- we have even more surprises planned for the community in the upcoming weeks and months!
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while others just sit and stare dumbfounded or act as cheerleaders with their one line posts because they aren't capable or willing to discuss idea past their superficial surface?
Like UE said, if you want to discuss things not related to plugin development then post about it elsewhere. Or we'll get you with our bladed spell checkers.
@archon, on Jan 17 2008, 04:04 PM, said in you want to see:
I like the second one, but the back of it looks a bit plain. Maybe you could try embellishing it a bit.
They look very nice though. Good work!
the back of the engine is rather plain for two reasons if this was real life yu would not seethe back
it would be in the ship
and two the render shot that will be used the back will be rather hard toseeso spending too much
time would kinda be pointless
sorry for the slow progress tiger but i have been busy in my classes
and thnx Archon
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@lucky7ac, on Jan 23 2008, 07:26 AM, said in you want to see:
sorry for the slow progress tiger but i have been busy in my classes
No problem. I'm very familiar with Real Life messing with my projects myself, so I can easily understand.
i dont know if its relevant or not but my school got a grant for a printer bout a year ago
and they finally got the printer bout 3 days ago
"yeah so whats so cool about a printer?"
ill tell you what.
this is no ordinary printer this printer doesnt print ink on paper
it prints plastic into a mold
"wha?"
it takes models that you create in programs like studio max, or blender
and it will create a 3d model of it in a plastic
so im actually going to use a engine im making here to test it tommarow or maybe friday/monday
ill post a picture up here when i can 
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@lucky7ac, on Jan 23 2008, 07:25 PM, said in you want to see:
i dont know if its relevant or not but my school got a grant for a printer bout a year ago
and they finally got the printer bout 3 days ago
"yeah so whats so cool about a printer?"
ill tell you what.
this is no ordinary computer this printer doesnt print ink on paper
it prints plastic into a mold
"wha?"
it takes models that you create in programs like studio max, or blender
and it will create a 2d model of it in a plastic
so im actually going to use a engine im making here to test it tommarow or maybe friday/monday
ill post a picture up here when i can
Sounds pretty cool, it'd be good to see the results.
Whoa... wait a minute... so that means... if you help do plugs for 3000, I can have Action figures?!
