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Originally posted by Dave Lesovoy:
Woah, communism would be great - if it worked. But it doesn't. Name one communist country where the citizens (other than the leaders/bigshots) like their form of government?
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Communisim worked pretty damn well in Cuba until the US imposed it's sanctions. It had one of the better health and education systems in the world, these are one of the main deficincies in the US from a foreigners point of view.

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Originally posted by Dave Lesovoy:
Woah, communism would be great - if it worked. But it doesn't. Name one communist country where the citizens (other than the leaders/bigshots) like their form of government?
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Communisim worked pretty damn well in Cuba until the US imposed it's sanctions. It had one of the better health and education systems in the world, these are one of the main deficincies in the US from a foreigners point of view.

This is how far I got with the Pavonians. I havn't started any actual work yet, but now I have all my ideas done. Here is what I have to work with...
WEAPONS
Positron Beam-A beam weapon. I got the graphics already.
Turreted Positron Beam-The turreted version of the Positron beam. Already got the graphic.
Positron Cannon-Uses the same tech as the Psoitron Beam but shoots energy projectiles instead of beams. Already got the graphic.
Cobalt Missiles-Fast, light, midlevel-dammage missiles. Its got the speed of a needle missile and the dammage of a SAD. You can't buy the luancher, it is only available on some Pavonian ships. This is a incite to work for the Pavonians.
SHIPS
Pavonian Light Fighter- A green light fighter. VERY fast, with fast shield regeneration. Armed with a Positron Beam.
Pavonian Heavy Fighter- Larger version of the above ship. Slower with slower regeneration, but higher shields. Armed with Positron Cannons and Cobalt Missiles. Got the graphic.
Pavonian Freighter- A freighter (dud). Armed with a Turreted Positron Beam. VERY expandable. Can be turned into a small warship w/ the proper upgrades.

Home world is in the Delta Pavonis system (Delta Pavonis IV, to be exact)

I got all the graphics, and lots of ideas. 2 people on my team so far, more are welcome.

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Well, I sent around an e-mail to all the people in charge of governments, but it looks like everyone had the same idea anyway. So great. Sorry to clutter your in-boxes. The only person I couldn't reach was Dave Losovoy. I sent the e-mail to coll22@earthlink.net, but it came back to me with a mailerdaemon message. Is there any way to get in touch with you by e-mail, Dave?

Does anyone have any objects/additions to the process of designing a galaxy that I suggested? Is there anything that wont get addressed this way?

I'm hosting Joe's design at (url="http://"http://pantheon.yale.edu/~aoe2/bigmap.jpg")http://pantheon.yale...aoe2/bigmap.jpg(/url)
just for people to see, so that we start thinking about the layout concretely. I know Joe didn't mean this design to be even a very serious one. But maybe it will get us thinking the right direction.

Bubbles

PS. I'll post the description of my goverment soon.
Someone to help me out would be great, by the way. Anyone like cyberpunk and have want to do some writing or fiddling with ResEdit? I only need one person, but someone could really help me out.

(This message has been edited by Bubbles (edited 06-19-2000).)

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Does anyone have any objects/additions to the process of designing a galaxy that I suggested? Is there anything that wont get addressed this way?
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If we're talking about a human-only galaxy (which was the original premise), then Ancient Earth should be somewhere in the middle of the map, surrounded by Independent systems, with the major governments arranged around them in all directions. I like the idea that one government could be completely cut off from the galactic center by another government's territory... could provide for some interesting trade routes.

-- Cinga

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Originally posted by Cinga:
**If we're talking about a human-only galaxy (which was the original premise), then Ancient Earth should be somewhere in the middle of the map, surrounded by Independent systems, with the major governments arranged around them in all directions. I like the idea that one government could be completely cut off from the galactic center by another government's territory... could provide for some interesting trade routes.

-- Cinga

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Yes, an all-human galaxy would definitely be a better idea. Since we know what humans are like, we could better define them, in terms of culture, etc. We could also provide a more unified base plotline.

A big fan of Asimov, yes, Cinga?

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Brooklyn. Where the weak are killed and eaten.

AIM: obormot345

Was jus thinking the same thing Obormot....I just finished reading the first 3 books of Foundation so I may be able to help out with some story lines if anyone is struggling

Just thought I could make a friendly offer...I don't want to get sunk too deep in this project and find out I don't want to do it anymore, but I may just be on the surface.

Feel free to use any of my graphics:
(url="http://"http://www3.cybercities.com/k/klyde/index.html")http://www3.cybercit...lyde/index.html(/url)

I could even change the target graphics for you if you want to use a different kind...or even change the color of the ships...

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its col22@earthlink.net, not coll22@earthlink.net

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Have I got the 7th government? to work on?

I did recieve an E-mail regarding the plug.So i assume that I have.
Well as it goes im kind of indecisive about what type of race it will be,
I'll tell you both my ideas and I would'nt mind some feedback on what would fit best into the universe-
1Religeous Zealots Khalfharn? Zhavizan? Czh'kaine?
warlike authoritarian society ruled by a theocracy.
Their main aim being Galactic conquest and mass conversion, there main fear is heretics and dissedents from within.
Technology not too sophisticated,but very large society with expendable fanatics. and an economy driven towards the Holy war.
Society scholarly but brutal;kind of a cross between european knights templar and the mongol hourdes. plots will involve resistance groups, purges of heretics
and the campaigns of holy war against other races-maybe with a coveted object,holy place that is being sought after.+ political manouvering within the society.
Technology flak, projectile weapons,unguided rockets with primitive laser/beam technology.
Ships industrial but with some areodynamic qualitys. Coluors red/black or Red/white.

2 Melniboneans?? Maltherane?
Cruel ancient sophisticated race.
Human in form but(possibly?) not from earth-an ancient race from an age before earth,
Civilisation in decline due to there fall into decadence and the rise of the upstart human governments.
Once ruled most of the galaxy in brutal empire in touch with the ancient/Darker secrets of the universe and possibly in the service of a sinister extra-dimensional power. no humanity- takes catlike pleasure in the suffering of others but very intelligent with high regard for art and other forms of pleasure. more interested in protecting what riches it has from upstart human oppourtunists but may take part in conquest (possibly because of arcane,technological reasons) The Empire is in decline and political backstabbing in the Imperial court is high>
Ships-Elegant, bonelike, arcane with some aerodynamic appearance.
weapons-precise beams,fast,needle like guided weapons,laser batteries.

Which one would fit best into the universe? any inconsistencies problems which need to be changed?
I have made some prototypes models but there still in development stages.

Bubbles-R.E cyberpunk-I think you should include some of the arcane elements of Shadowrun-psionics shamanics?? etc. Govt should be made up of corporate councils
and many planets should be Hive-Worlds-massive enclosed city structures with toxic deserts outside. I have quite a few shadowrun source books and the third
edition rulebook which was released last year.I haven't played for a while though. I should be able to offer some more help with the govt Mail me with details.

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'Stormbringer!' he cried and then the
hellsword struck his chest.
He felt the icy touch of the blade against his heart,
felt his body constrict,
felt it sucking his soul from the very depths
of his being,felt his whole personality being drawn into the
Runesword.
[mailto:jr.watkins@virgin.
net](http://mailto:jr.watkins@virgin.<br />
net)jr.watkins@virgin.
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oops found the right link to fill out the sign up form.

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'Stormbringer!' he cried and then the
hellsword struck his chest.
He felt the icy touch of the blade against his heart,
felt his body constrict,
felt it sucking his soul from the very depths
of his being,felt his whole personality being drawn into the
Runesword.
[mailto:jr.watkins@virgin.
net](http://mailto:jr.watkins@virgin.<br />
net)jr.watkins@virgin.
net

Stormbringer: Welcome to the team!

Personally, I like the theocracy better... provides for a nice private war between your people and the Pavonians...

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Originally posted by Stormbringer:
Technology flak, projectile weapons,unguided rockets with primitive laser/beam technology.
Ships industrial but with some areodynamic qualitys. Coluors red/black or Red/white.

Sounds eerily similar to my own tech concept... :frown: I'd have expected a religion-oriented race to make their ships in an elaborate temple-like style, e.g. with golden lines or transparent sails/fins, good shields but virtually no armor, bright weapons (the anger of (Deity)!) etc... maybe even Harakiri fighters... The bone-like arcane design idea also seems very appropriate.

These are just humble suggestions, I don't want to spoil anyone's soup here. :rolleyes:

-- Cinga

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Since we should start with planning the basic layout of the galaxy, it would be useful if every participant would state the relations he/she'd like his/her gövt to have...

As for Obrenaďa:
- Located somewhere on the rim of the galaxy (e.g. like Voinian space in EVO)
- A few pirate planets in the vicinity (or a pirate gövt? :rolleyes
- Possibly a sub-war hostility situation with an adjoining capitalist gövt
- A solid trading connection with another (neutral?) gövt some distance away, if possible leading through dangerous (pirate-infested) territory.

The latter is quite important, as the first few missions for the Obrenai will revolve around dangerous transport runs...

-- Cinga

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OK im gonna go for a combination of the two.
called for now the Maltherane-
they are an ancient race Human race which precede earth Humans,
their technology is sophisticated and the govenrnment is run by an emperor who is also direct religeous leader.
they worship a god or gods who are extradimensional and have chaotic powers.

Having fallen from their once total power of a large section of space through decadence and infighting and a lax in the open manifestation of otherworldly power they are now leading a Holy war to rid the galaxy of the upstart heretic
races.led by a new religeous class who are removed from and looked down on by the ancient heirachy.
They value knowledge higher than Human life and are sometimes granted services from the extradimensional powers to which they have sold themselves.

they have the sophisticated bonelike ships. and a laser/ beam orientated combat
system with a few explosive weapons.

they are located centraly to the galactic north(if this doesn't contradict ohter peoples placing.)and the fringes of their territory are also the fringes of the known universe and contain sinister secrets.
there relationships with other races wil be cold or openly hostile.
but there culture and beliefs could be infiltrating Bubbles 'Cyberpunk' cypiens
through the beliefs and practices of the emerging psionic's
relationships with the socialists will naturaly be cold or even openly hostile as they represent a new society uninfluenced by the archaeic beliefs of the Maltherane.

Hows that for an outline?? any queries, problems,ideas.

-- Cinga

(/B)(/QUOTE)

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'Stormbringer!' he cried and then the
hellsword struck his chest.
He felt the icy touch of the blade against his heart,
felt his body constrict,
felt it sucking his soul from the very depths
of his being,felt his whole personality being drawn into the
Runesword.
[mailto:jr.watkins@virgin.
net](http://mailto:jr.watkins@virgin.<br />
net)jr.watkins@virgin.
net

Okay I've got my gövt set up.

I'm calling it the Mercinary Guild. They aren't one race or species, they are a group of individuals from just about every major race and/or gov. (similar to the Zachit), who rent out their solders to all the other govenments, and also protect the surrounding independent systems from renagades/pirates. Thier ships are generally have moderate speed/menuverability, with lots of heavy forward-firing particle-based weapons.

Weapons:

Particle Cannons
Standard fighter/light warship weapon. Build with a forward-fireing turret. Weapon
effeciveness is limited, due to decay of weapon power. Enhaced version (longer range,
more damage, no decay) available for med-heavy warcraft.

Neutron Cannons
Heavy fighter/warship weapon. Slower rate of fire than particle cannons, but far more
destructive. Four barreled repeater version used on heavy warships.

Ion Beams
Very heavy large warship weapon. Drains fuel extreamly quickly, but deals massive
damage

Flak Turrets
They only fully turreted weapon used by the Guild. Used for fending off fighters. Limited
amunition.

Ships:

'Viper' Class Space Superiority Fighter
Light figher-scale shield, but very menouverable. Armed with three particle cannons.

'Basilisk' Class Assault Figher
Heavy fighter-scale sheilding, but somewhat clumsy for a fighter. Armed with six particle
cannons, and two neutron cannons.

'Hydra' Class Corvette
Light capital-scale shielding, almost as menouverable as a heavy fighter. Armed with eight
particle cannons, two neuton cannons, and one ion beam.

'Scylla' Class Patrol Frigate
Moderate capital-scale shielding, average menouverability. Armed with eight enh. particle
cannons, two neutron repeaters, and two ion beams.

'Chyribdis' Class Carrier
Moderate capital-scale shielding, slow menouverability. Armed with six enhanced particle
cannons, two flak turrets w/20 shells, 12 Viper fighters, 5 Basilisk fighters.

'Bahamut' Class Battlecruiser
Heavy capital-scale shielding, slow menoverability. Armed with 12 enhanced particle
cannons, four neuron repeaters, 2 flak turrets w/20 shells, four ion beams.

'Levithan' Class Feighter
Classic frieghter. What else is there to say? Armed with 1 flak turret w/16 shells.

So, what do ya think?

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Okay I've got my gövt set up

Cool. Come join us on Octoberfost's board: (url="http://"http://pluto.beseen.com/boardroom/j/50532")http://pluto.beseen....ardroom/j/50532(/url)
You'll want to have some input on how the galaxy is laid out.

CS: were you interested in helping us get through this? We really need someone who's not plug-making to help organize us and keep us on track.

Dave Losovoy: have you lost interest? Are you working quietly on your own? Please let me know.

Bubbles

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So, what do ya think?
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Mercenaries... interesting indeed.

However, what I don't like about your ships is the amount of guns. EV and EVO ships never have more than 5 gun slots. This is for a good reason: even if your weapons are weak enough so as not to unbalance the game when carried en masse, a player could replace them with more efficient guns from other governments to create a supership. I suggest you make the cannons strong enough so you can limit the number of cannons per ship to 5-6.

-- Cinga

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Originally posted by Bubbles:
**Cool. Come join us on Octoberfost's board:http://pluto.beseen....ardroom/j/50532
You'll want to have some input on how the galaxy is laid out.

CS: were you interested in helping us get through this? We really need someone who's not plug-making to help organize us and keep us on track.

Dave Losovoy: have you lost interest? Are you working quietly on your own? Please let me know.

Bubbles**

Are you talking to me? I signed up, and I'm willing to help.

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Outfits: 8 for the weapons, plus the ceramuth armor plate.

PS: I have 9 outfits, 3 ships, and 3 weapons that remain unused. I donate them to the Independents/Pirates and their commonplace technology.
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Make that 7 unused outfits... I'm adding the Pixie Dust missile-decoy system and its ammo.

Does anyone know whether AI ships use decoys? And if so, do they use them correctly and successfully?

-- Cinga

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Originally posted by Cinga:
**Make that 7 unused outfits... I'm adding the Pixie Dust missile-decoy system and its ammo.;)

Does anyone know whether AI ships use decoys? And if so, do they use them correctly and successfully?

-- Cinga

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No, they do not. AI ships choose weapons to fire according to damage rating and range; I'm not sure which comes first. They also fire expandable (with ammo) weapons first before proceeding to unlimited ammo weapons. (EVO 1.0.2 changes these a little, but the basic rules stay.)

So since decoys usually do no damage and have sucky range, AI ships should not use them.

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AIM: obormot345

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**Are you talking to me? I signed up, and I'm willing to help.
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I wasn't talking to you, actually, but we're glad to have your help.

I was talking to Captain Scurvy who has finally deigned to answer my e-mail. We're all good. Hopefully he'll get an e-mail out to everyone soon.

Bubbles

(This message has been edited by Bubbles (edited 06-22-2000).)