How about a fiery debate? Everyone loves those! I thought I would post it here so more people would reply. Seriously though, I personally like FW better so I thought I would post it here.

Which do you prefer, Ferazel's Wand or Pillars of Garendall?
Why?
Why not?
If you could change either game, what would you change?

Have fun and please try to be polite.

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They're pretty different games! I'm curious, why do you like Ferazel better?

I'll play your game, Ent, but I'm not very good at "fiery" debates.

Personally, I like FW better - better graphics, music.

My daughter prefers PoG - likes the humour and the quests. I don't like having to wait while the scenery, characters, etc. load.

What I'd change in both games - make the player able to be female.
PoG - change weapons when getting new ones.
FW - high scores tally.

Caveat:
My opinion may change once I get the full version of PoG. (Tried to download it last night overnight on my pathetic 56K ISP - got 54% (in about 2 hours) and my service was disconnected. Boo hoo. Have my registration code. Anyone want to burn a CD & mail it to me - Ambrosia says it's going to be a couple of weeks!)

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(This message has been edited by MonsterLady (edited 09-05-2001).)

MonsterLady: I reccommend getting iGetter or some such program which allows you to resume a download. I tried to download it twice without iGetter and both times it halted around 49%. :mad:
I do like PoG, it comes close to perfecting its genre. Ferazel's Wand, however, does not only perfect its genre, but redefines it. Ferazel's Wand was a ten in every category; graphics, music, gameplay, fun!
In PoG I say wow what a beutiful town wall. In Ferazel's Wand I say what a beautiful everyting!
A new something to throw into the fray; editors! Coldstone vs MASCOT.
Coldstone- powerful, easy to use, bug free-ish
MASCOT- not unpowerful, easy (in a pig's eye,) bug filled, but FREE.
Thoughts?

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Originally posted by Emperor Ent:
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Which do you prefer, Ferazel's Wand or Pillars of Garendall?
Why?
Why not?
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I'll never know until the CD version.

Farewell dear boards. As this is my last post on Ferazel! Do not worry. I will be watching but i am leaving! Goodbye!!!!!!!!!!

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D'oh! Another one bites the dust. Dr Tall, I'm going to have to join you in locking members up in the basement...too many are drifting.

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PoG doesn't look that interesting. The graphics don't look all that great, and it didn't get a good review from macgamer. I might tryt it out if it appears on a MacAddict disk.

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I have seen things in toilets with more brains then the reviewers at MacGamer. And don't get me started about MacGamez!! Did they even play the game before reviewing it?!?

Also, you most give Ambrosia credit for trying large 3D. The characters in Diablo II are very small. Not like good old PoG. I still reside that FW is far superior. A few more areas of debate to be mentioned:
replayablity
addictiveness
a thousand deaths of arg!
misunderestimate

Come on! More people need to post, I am beginning to get worried. Don't worry, spamguy, I can hold a few in my basement, how about you?

Remember, you don't have to be informed to have an opinion.

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I'll get a point off if I say that, but never mind.

PoG sucks! I tried it on my computer and it really sucks. It's slow, your eyes hurt when the character keeps scrolling all over the screen, the music is (argh) horrible (don't tell me I can deactivate it, I just want a good music like in Ferazel!), the graphics have the look of an old DOS game, etc. I'm furious I lost my time downloading 25Mb on it. Plus, the extremely long loading time is not acceptable - Diablo can generate huge maps with monsters and items in seconds.

What? Turn-based combats? Come on Ambrosia. You can do better than this. That is why Ferazel rules and PoG sucks.

BTW, can anyone help me? I bought a PowerBook G4! Yes, I did! OK, me not buying anything apart food for 6 months. LOL. When I tried to play Ferazel, it didn't work! :frown: The game launched properly, but when I tried to play it, I saw some kind of garbage (looks like a graphic card conflict) on the screen instead of Ferazel and graphics. The health bar, magic bar and items showed up properly, though. Can anyone help?

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I also wanted to add that the real best games I ever played were:

1. Prince of Persia II
2. Warcraft II
3. Warcraft I
4. Prince of Persia
5. Ferazel

No comments allowed.

- iAussie

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Originally posted by Aussie:
**I'll get a point off if I say that, but never mind.

PoG sucks! I tried it on my computer and it really sucks. It's slow, your eyes hurt when the character keeps scrolling all over the screen, the music is (argh) horrible (don't tell me I can deactivate it, I just want a good music like in Ferazel!), the graphics have the look of an old DOS game, etc. I'm furious I lost my time downloading 25Mb on it. Plus, the extremely long loading time is not acceptable - Diablo can generate huge maps with monsters and items in seconds.

What? Turn-based combats? Come on Ambrosia. You can do better than this. That is why Ferazel rules and PoG sucks.

BTW, can anyone help me? I bought a PowerBook G4! Yes, I did! OK, me not buying anything apart food for 6 months. LOL. When I tried to play Ferazel, it didn't work! :frown: The game launched properly, but when I tried to play it, I saw some kind of garbage (looks like a graphic card conflict) on the screen instead of Ferazel and graphics. The health bar, magic bar and items showed up properly, though. Can anyone help?
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Looks like you agree with MacGamez's philosophy:
"An opinion is only as powerful as the imaginary facts to back it up."
PoG is not turn-based! Did you even play the game! It ran slow on you G4? Really, I think then the problem is not PoG., but rather...

Diablo also costs twice as much. The music is not of Ferazel quality, but it is far from suck. It is good, but not great.

How do you feel about this review of FW:
"Ferazel's Wand Sucks! The graphics are what I expect out of a Nintento game. The music is predictable at best. What? Turn-based combats? Come on Ambrosia. You can do better than this. It also ran really slow, which is obviously not my problem, but rather an Ambrosia bug."
I think I read that in MacGamez.

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Originally posted by Aussie:
I also wanted to add that the real best games I ever played were:
1. Prince of Persia II
2. Warcraft II
3. Warcraft I
4. Prince of Persia
5. Ferazel

Warcraft I? Warcraft I. Yeah, much better than Ferazel. :rolleyes:

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(QUOTE)Originally posted by Aussie:
**I also wanted to add that the real best games I ever played were:

1. Prince of Persia II
4. Prince of Persia I
5. Ferazel

No comments allowed.

- iAussie
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Yeah, Prince of Persia I and II were awesome, especially the ending of II. Too bad the 3D version never made it to the mac :frown: I wouldn't say that POP I and II were better than Ferazel--they are too different. I think I enjoyed playing FW more because it was easier Gotta love those save points!

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Posted by MonsterLady:
My daughter

WOAH how old are you?? (oh...if that seems rude, you could just give me an approximation )

Prince of Persia was awesome but I got it when I was 6 years old from my uncle and got it taken away until I was 13 because my 2 year old cousin would watch me play and scream at the top of his lungs "KILL HIM!!!" and then would proceed to have nightmares about the game.

My uncle has no children....go figure.

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(This message has been edited by Dr Tall (edited 09-24-2001).)

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"Ferazel's Wand Sucks! The graphics are what I expect out of a Nintento game. The music is predictable at best. What? Turn-based combats? Come on Ambrosia. You can do better than this. It also ran really slow, which is obviously not my problem, but rather an Ambrosia bug."

Turn-based combats in Ferazel? Huh. I'm sorry, but PoG still sucks.

- The music is so annoying. OK, I can deactivate it.
- PoG is not expansive? Hey, I don't want crap because it's not expansive. I'll better buy Diablo and play around 100 hours than buy this and never use it.
- Ambrosia/Beenox are not quite yet for 3D. They need to work on their graphics. Plus, the constant scrolling of the personnage makes me feel quite dizzy. I didn't experience this in Ferazel. These graphics are dated. They look like an old Zelda game.
- The game didn't run slow. The loading was slow. I don't feel like waiting even more than a second when I play a game. You see, the problem is not my computer but Coldstone. Coldstone is a game engine written in an interpretated language; the game itself is reading an interpretated language and executed by an interpretated language. Now is that fast?
- 70Mb of RAM required? :eek: Coldstone sure needs a lot of optimization.
- This looks like some kind of improved Cythera. I think I prefer Cythera.
- Actually PoP is better than Ferazel because of the cutscenes. Plus, Ferazel is just "go-around-all-the-levels-and-find-the-exit". There is much more "resolving" in PoP. But I played the PoP series too much, so now I play Ferazel :). A pity there's no map editor for Prince of Persia. In ResEdit, you can see in that there is a menu that never appears and it looks like it's the map editor the creators of the game used to build the maps. Anyway, there isn't much surprise in Ferazel and I think that the end is pathetic compared to PoP 2.

However, I repeat it: PoG is a total failure. I'm sure most people here play the game eyes closed and ears closed just because it's Ambrosia!

- iAussie

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LOL. Dr Tall, it was MonsterLady who said that - not Zelda!

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Turn-based combats in Ferazel? Huh. I'm sorry, but PoG still sucks.
So are you admiting that you never played PoG?

- The music is so annoying. OK, I can deactivate it.
You answered that one. I like the music. If you don't like it don't use it.

- PoG is not expansive? Hey, I don't want crap because it's not expansive. I'll better buy Diablo and play around 100 hours than buy this and never use it.
I thought it was "expansive." But if you want to talk about expensive, that's different. There are plenty of people who are getting the same time/price ration they got with DII.

- Ambrosia/Beenox are not quite yet for 3D. They need to work on their graphics. Plus, the constant scrolling of the personnage makes me feel quite dizzy. I didn't experience this in Ferazel. These graphics are dated. They look like an old Zelda game.
I have never felt dizzy while playing any game. Maybe you should see a doctor.

- The game didn't run slow. The loading was slow. I don't feel like waiting even more than a second when I play a game. You see, the problem is not my computer but Coldstone. Coldstone is a game engine written in an interpretated language; the game itself is reading an interpretated language and executed by an interpretated language. Now is that fast?:)
I never had trouble with loading screens. And I am willing to wait 2 seconds.

- 70Mb of RAM required?:eek: Coldstone sure needs a lot of optimization.
I am afraid I don't know about that, OS X deals with all my memory issues.

- Actually PoP is better than Ferazel because of the cutscenes. Plus, Ferazel is just "go-around-all-the-levels-and-find-the-exit". There is much more "resolving" in PoP. But I played the PoP series too much, so now I play Ferazel:). A pity there's no map editor for Prince of Persia. In ResEdit, you can see in that there is a menu that never appears and it looks like it's the map editor the creators of the game used to build the maps. Anyway, there isn't much surprise in Ferazel and I think that the end is pathetic compared to PoP 2.
Cutscenes!?! That is what makes a great game, eh? Personally, story comes last when I play a game like Ferazel. I was more concerned with the beautiful and tricky levels, and glorious music.

However, I repeat it: PoG is a total failure. I'm sure most people here play the game eyes closed and ears closed just because it's Ambrosia!
- iAussie
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Our eyes and ears closed? Hmm, you must consist of "most" on that one. I don't think the majority of the people on these boards hide there true feelings, about anything.

Hmm, I seem to be the only one involved in this fiery debate.
Wow. My blood pressure is way up.

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"Ferazel's Wand Sucks! The graphics are what I expect out of a Nintento game. The music is predictable at best. What? Turn-based combats? Come on Ambrosia. You can do better than this. It also ran really slow, which is obviously not my problem, but rather an Ambrosia bug."

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What the hell! Graphics out of a Nintendo game?! They are hella better then a 'Nintendo game'!! The music is predictable, at least?! The music hella rocked!! Turn based combats.... What the hell are you thinking?! There is absolutly no turn based combat in Ferazel's Wand. It's all fast paced the-demon-jumps-on-you-and-swings-his-axe-like-hell-until-you-kill-him. It ran SLOW?! You obviously only have about 20 megs of RAM or are not giving it enough because it runs s m o o t h l y on my 128 meg RAM computer, giving Ferazel's Wand 20 of those megs.

Sorry for the flame...just love Ferazel's Wand still....

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ferazel_09:
I was not serious when I wrote that, it was meant to show how silly iAussie's description of Coldstone was. "Did he even play it?" was what that was supposed to invoke not flames. So once more, I was only joking. Please don't kill me.

Also, another thing, I played Ferazel for way to many hours (100+). PoG only lasted about 15ish.

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