Originally posted by BackSTABa:
You really are being stupid Mikee. Do some research. The WHOLE SCHEME OF THE IMAC WAS STEVE'S. The design lab outside of Apples headquarters kept the actual design of the iMac under tight security until its release, but the idea of an all-in-one 2 steps to set up cheap and easy to use computer was what Apple lacked and Steve wanted to bring back. I dont care what you think about Steve, have you own opinion, dont bother trying to force it upon others. I simply don't care enough to continue this little quarrel with you.
-LOL! Apple had an all in one computer way back in the early 80's. The first "modern" all-in-one Macs were school computers. I'll admit, Steve's main ideas were color and roundness. He once took a team of designers outside and pointed out how the city was round were it 'should' be edged. Such as street corners, cars...etc. "I am really proud of the team that came up with this (iMac)." -Steve Jobs. Jobs didn't even invent the DESIGN.
I have serious problems with a man that started fights with employees back when he worked with Apple. With NeXT he stopped the physical abuse and just publically humiliated his employees. He'd announce over the NeXT-"compound" 
intercom how someone screwed up, was incompetitant...etc.
Secondly, the First Macintosh, Apple, the name doesn't matter was built in a wooden frame using essential parts Woz DID get from his father, but Jobs did help. Or are you saying that Woz was a moron, Steve did nothing, and founded the company with Woz by accident?
-----Umm, the Apple, Apple )( (and the various types) the Apple /// and the Lisa and Lisa II are all the main computers between the Apple and Macintosh. It is not "the name doesn't matter". That's like saying, "Pentium, 286... whatever". I did not call Woz a moron. In fact, I think he is a great guy, what he cared about was sharing knowledge and getting people into computers, not profits like Steve. Woz and Steve were friends. Steve just help turn Woz's underground computer into something to sell (against IBM, hence "Think different", HAL...etc).
Thirdly, computer stock you are talking about is simply web-based companies you fool. Amazon.com, iGrocery, those companies have inflated stock. Maybe you should listen to Marketplace on NPR more. Companies like Compaq, IBM, Dell and yes, Apple are solid investment stocks right now. In fact, Dell has reported strong earnings while Compaq has had a slight shake-up. Apple has been voted a good stock choice by many leading investment firms. But hey, what do they know?
-------Fool? Boy, you are using insults..... anyways, I was referring to technology stocks. Which includes computer manufacturers and ISPs...etc.
Last off, recent speed tests show that a 1000mhz Athalon is only .0024 seconds faster than a 500mhz G4 using most graphic programs and games (Ya little Quaker you), and i doubt your dualer is half price, but hey.
-----Most certainly is. What you are looking at is Apple propaganda using optimized Photoshop tests. Look at independent tests NOT using Photoshop. Heck, even independent Photoshop tests showed that the G4 was sometimes faster. Show me independent stats on stuff like data, networking and GAMES. How much is a 500 MHz G4 processor? I can buy a 500 MHz Athlon for $42.
And a bottom of the line G4 isn't just for professionals. It CAN BE, more so than the iMac, but any user that wants expandability isn't going to say, "oh, Apple doesn't sell a consumer product for me! Better get a PC!" They will say, hmmm, an iMac costs roughly $1,300, a G4 with a 17" monitor can be found for around $1,800. Price difference is $500, hardly something that only professionals and major corporations can afford.
----Stevie puts the G3/G4 in the "professional" category. If you want to argue this take it up with him, not me.
You are making Apple into a god like company yourself. Every press release and statement they make, you consider to be either black or white. There are grey areas in all their releases, and you don't need to analyze every word. HAL was in one commercial btw,....
---LOL! How clueless. HAL has been used by Apple for years. Do you even get the JOKE behind HAL?
...but hey, call it a mascot if you want. Just because their press release says one thing, doesn't mean you have to stand by it tooth and nail. Why don't you use your imagination. "Oh, if Apple says its professional, then how can it be a consumer!". I don't know, but you seem to, so please, help this obviously completely unaware Mac user out. Shed some light into this forum.
Anyway, this whole post was ment to be opinions and thoughts on OS X. Considering you know nothing ABOUT OS X, why are you bothering to take people down this stupid side route?
---But andrew says OS X is only in DP4 and all opinions are invalid because of this
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(This message has been edited by Soviet mikee (edited 05-30-2000).)
Maybe someone else knows more. Just don't give up hope until something ships wrapped in plastic. 