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Originally posted by Jimbob:
tossing in a ruling body along with the military is pretty extreme. I say the "President" of the team is the head of the military, and the government.

One more note,

One of the major factors in the world is politics and government. It is arguably more important in war to have strong and popular leadership and a strong central command / government than a powerful army. Yet I find this lacking in most major webstories. Introducing politics into the mix could add a big element of realism into the gain (checks and balances to prevent poor decisions - different policies for different types of government - unique methods of waging war through the fact that several people have direct control over different parts of a polity, etc.).

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Originally posted by General Rak:
**One more note,

One of the major factors in the world is politics and government. It is arguably more important in war to have strong and popular leadership and a strong central command / government than a powerful army. Yet I find this lacking in most major webstories. Introducing politics into the mix could add a big element of realism into the gain (checks and balances to prevent poor decisions - different policies for different types of government - unique methods of waging war through the fact that several people have direct control over different parts of a polity, etc.).

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The thing is, it's often mega-realism that kills webstories. We'll see, though. It could work, and I see where it could be a help.

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The name Conflict sounds good to me.

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(This message has been edited by General Rak (edited 09-06-2003).)

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If I moderate I will not participate as a character.

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No new ships, as I understand.

What, exactly, is the time period for this story?

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I think its current EV time

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Originally posted by Luke:
**If I moderate I will not participate as a character.

No new ships, as I understand.

What, exactly, is the time period for this story?

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I'm think we agreed to do an Aliens vs. Humans, it's before EV.

But that means we'd have to do some changes to the map, because some systems would be colonies.

Alrighty then, I'll be a human. I'd like to be in or near an outskirts system, if possible. Just so whoever the President turns out to be after the election knows.

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Finally, another webstory! I've been waiting approximately seventeen Ages for this to show up, and all I can say is that I'm not being a Pirate this time. That wasn't too fun the last two times I tried that (reference BFS II, III). The factions are Rebels, Confeds, Pirates, Aliens? I think I'd like to be an Alien, just so I can design some tech. That's always fun. I know you said no new ships, but you're not really going to make the Aliens fight with just fighters and battlecruisers, are you? Come, now. Also, I agree with Luke and whoever else said that mods should not be players. It unbalances the game exceptionally when players moderate in battles, even ones not involving them. Well, that was a nicely hyper post. I think you can tell I'm happy to finally have another EV webstory to participate in.

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Is everyone ignoring me? I already pointed out that in EV (the opening when you start a new pilot) the Rebellion doesn't come about until after the Great War. So there cannot be a Rebel gov't if the Aliens are also in this (excluding the one BattleCruiser in the game).

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I've got one question. What would the ships be? Using the current Confederate Ships should not be an option, as in the Great War the Manta was used as the primary Fighter of the Confederation, so therefore the Patrol Boat would not exist or at least be in an experimental stage, and the same (i think) would go for the Gunboat and the Carrier.

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A gunship and a carrier would be awesome. I vote for that.

We would also need a UFO for fun.

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Originally posted by Ultimate Rebel:
Is everyone ignoring me? I already pointed out that in EV (the opening when you start a new pilot) the Rebellion doesn't come about until after the Great War. So there cannot be a Rebel gov't if the Aliens are also in this (excluding the one BattleCruiser in the game).

Good point. Sorry for not noticing that you said that before.

In BFS III, we had Human Confederation, Pirates, Aliens as factions, so maybe we should do that this time too. Only problem with that story was that the tech drove it completely out of control, with all those giant carriers and battlecruisers and stuff. However, a story can get boring if each side only has two or three (or even four) kinds of ships, and two or three weapons, so I think we should allow some tech design.

(edit)And for the record, the theme of the original original Battle for Sol (around June, 2001) was Rebels vs. Confeds vs. Pirates for ultimate control of the Sol system, and thus the galaxy. BFS II I think the Confeds ultimately wiped out the Rebels, and aliens were introduced, and the Pirates got some tech but didn't really do much. BFS III it was HC vs. Aliens vs. Pirates (mostly irrelevant by then) for control of both the HC and Alien galaxies.(/edit)

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Originally posted by Ultimate Rebel:
Is everyone ignoring me? I already pointed out that in EV (the opening when you start a new pilot) the Rebellion doesn't come about until after the Great War. So there cannot be a Rebel gov't if the Aliens are also in this (excluding the one BattleCruiser in the game).

BFS (and presumably this) stated that the battlecruiser was a scout and added some systems where the Aliens were.

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Originally posted by Tanor Geonn:
**I've got one question. What would the ships be? Using the current Confederate Ships should not be an option, as in the Great War the Manta was used as the primary Fighter of the Confederation, so therefore the Patrol Boat would not exist or at least be in an experimental stage, and the same (i think) would go for the Gunboat and the Carrier.

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I'd say for the Confeds it would be the Manta, A heavier fighter, similar to the gunboat, a destroyer model and a carrier.

I have no art skills whatsoever, so I can't design.

And remember, the pre-rebel mants didn't have missles.

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Originally posted by Ultimate Rebel:
**Is everyone ignoring me? I already pointed out that in EV (the opening when you start a new pilot) the Rebellion doesn't come about until after the Great War. So there cannot be a Rebel gov't if the Aliens are also in this (excluding the one BattleCruiser in the game).

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We're not ignoring you, UR. The map just represents where the systems are for now. That doen't mean we're using it for the story.

About Alien ships, I think (as I said earlier) we should design equivalents to the Confed techs we get, so it is even.

Hmm. What type of rating system would we use for the ships? Similar to EV's?
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(This message has been edited by Jimbob (edited 09-03-2003).)

I designed some techs for the Aliens. Five ships (light fighter, heavy fighter, destroyer, battlecruiser, carrier) and some weapons (light fusion beam, heavy fusion beam, seeker drones already existed, and I added turreted fusion beam, seeker drone cluster (like a cluster missile) and some kind of unguided rocket). Ships posted below:

Alien Light Fighter
Shields: 45
Armor: 20
Speed: 600
Accel: 700
Maneuver: 250 deg/sec
Weapons:
4 Light Fusion Beams
1 Flak Rocket Launcher + 5 Flak Rockets

Alien Stalker (heavy fighter)
Shields: 75
Armor: 25
Speed: 400
Accel: 450
Maneuver: 180 deg/sec
Weapons:
2 Light Fusion Beams
2 Seeker Drone Launchers + 12 Seeker Drones
1 Flak Rocket Launcher + 2 Flak Rockets

Alien Destroyer
Shields: 650
Armor: 250
Speed: 310
Accel: 350
Maneuver: 135 deg/sec
Weapons:
3 Light Fusion Beams
1 Turreted Fusion Beam
3 Seeker Drone Launchers + 30 Seeker Drones
3 Flak Rocket Launchers + 15 Flak Rockets

Alien Battlecruiser
Shields: 1300
Armor: 500
Speed: 275
Accel: 300
Maneuver: 100 deg/sec
Weapons:
1 Heavy Fusion Beam
2 Turreted Fusion Beams
4 Seeker Drone Launchers + 50 Seeker Drones
1 Cluster Drone Launcher + 12 Cluster Drones

Alien Carrier
Shields: 800
Armor: 600
Speed: 150
Accel: 175
Maneuver: 60 deg/sec
Weapons:
1 Turreted Fusion Beam
1 Cluster Drone Launcher + 8 Cluster Drones
3 Alien Fighter Bays + 6 Alien Fighters
2 Alien Stalker Bays + 4 Alien Stalkers

The stats are so good because the Aliens obviously have better technology than humans do. I don't think this is ridiculously overbalanced; the Aliens would just get fewer ships.

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Originally posted by asriel:
**The stats are so good because the Aliens obviously have better technology than humans do. I don't think this is ridiculously overbalanced; the Aliens would just get fewer ships.
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Far fewer ships, if those stats are used. Personally, I think they should just get the cruiser and fighter from EV; then you could have more of them, and it would be closer to original EV.

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I say that we should scratch the carrier and lighten the armaments of the others some. Maybe just have a carrier version of the battlecruiser, like same stats but only the fusion beam and few seeker drones with the added fighters. And maybe add an alien freighter. And would four light fusion beams be the equivalent to one fusion beam? If not then the destroyer would have equal/greater fire power than the cruiser if it was less.

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Personally I think that this should be set with a second Alien invasion set during the middle of the Rebellion. How else are you going to have a webstory that's stock EV afterall?

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