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Originally posted by Captain Carnotaur:
**Because I recalled their defensive stats, and if I recall correctly I only said I destroyed most of their fleet. If I did otherwise, please excuse the typo, I will correct it. However, the attack plan was designed so that the defense fleet would be caught and slaughtered in the atmosphere. Don't underestimate Shrikes.

And as for the station; I did not go through Centauri.

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And what about my Stardock Beta in Jadzia? My planetaruy shield? how could you get through them so easily. A shield generater that is planet based can be much larger and many thousand times stronger than shipbased versions.

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YOU are only upset because I roasted your fleet in a surprise attack.

And anyway:

1. Can you shield stand up to approximately 350 Nuclear Warheads? Even if I can't breach your entire shield grid, I can make a very large hole in one area of it to fire through and singe you. And, of course, there is the additional damage from torpedoes, rockets, heavy rockets, missiles, and fusillades of laser and proton fire.

2. Can your station stand up to 25 Nuclear Warheads and over two dozen space bombs? Then factor in proton blasts, torpedoes, missiles, heavy rockets, etc.

3. Your fleet was shredded. Accept it. It's called a "surprise attack", if you didn't notice. This lends me a big tactical advantage, especially when the only thing your ships saw was a wave of torpedoes, heavy rockets, and missiles.

4. If you didn't noticed, Shrikes are armed each with about 60 Missiles. That's 840 Missiles. I really don't care about how many ships you have, especially when the only ones in orbit were shredded within seconds, and those moving up from the planet were ambushed before they even had a chance to return fire. This is not even counting the large amounts of missiles and torpedoes that my Tigersharks are equipped with.

5. My fleet moved through your other systems quite fast, enabling them to take almost zero damage. The only ships that they attacked while going through your other systems (actually, there is only Pelagon to worry about, if I remember the map correctly) were very very close to their fleet and had to be destroyed before jumping out quickly.

6. I admit that I would have been unable to destroy your whole fleet, and I will made a few modifications to my post concerning my losses, but you are severely overestimating your strength and the strength of your planetary shield.

7. Have you forgotten my ESGs? They are easily capable of intercepting any sort of projectile weapon you send at me, nuclear or not, as well as able to channel the blast away from my vessels, so the splash damage of nuclear devices have almost zero effect.

8. I, unlike you, try to adhere to rules. I am not the one who somehow manages to get 400M+ credits from a single system. I am not the one who researches incredibly powerful disruptors in only a few posts. I am not the one who bought 800 Bulk Frieghters in one post, and later 60 Warbirds and 120 Destroyers in a single post as well.

9. I did not capture your base. That takes a while and could never have been accomplished by my fleet. All your had were major fleet losses and industrial damage, which you will no doubt repair within a single post despite the obvious consequences of the attack.

I will edit my post shortly, but I do not see any huge problem with it.

-Captain Carnotaur

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1. Any intelegent worker would reroute power to the area that was taking the heaviest beating. In EV you are unable to harm the armor of any ship without knocking out it's entire shield grid. What makes you think planets are any different?

2. What makes you think it wouldn't fire back? It is equiped with it's own compliment of weapons.

3. Yes my fleet was shredded, i can admit that. but not without dealing damage to you as well. My destroyers are fast enought to dodge torpedos and missiles, makeing them useless. My warships (destroyers + warbirds) are equiped with a disrupter beam and are thus unmached in head to head combat.

4. You cant fire off 840 missiles in one volly. It takes time to reload.

5. Yes you did, i had no quarrel with what you did in pelegon and Zebetrious.

6. What is the size of a shipbased shield generater? about 5 meters at largest. What about a generater the size of a house? Do the math.

7. Yes i did forget those. But from what i saw you never researched them. you just bought the research? i think not.

8. As said in the early part of getting Zebetriuos i was getting raw materials for ship building. My so-called massive income is just metels and rock.
My disrupters are not THAT powerful. Not to mention look how fast stardust got his forklift beam thingy.
As far as the 120 destroyers and 75 warbirds: It's called mass production. Like other governments, i have modern ship building factories and equipment. Example: CDX; they build countless ships each week in order to keep up with demand. So do i. Add in the War and you get fanatical workers.

9. It could take weeks to rebuild the damage done. I consider each post a week's time.

10. You dont seem to be researching anything. You just fund it and consider it done.

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(This message has been edited by U.E. Admiral (edited 10-23-2002).)

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Originally posted by U.E. Admiral:
1. Any intelegent worker would reroute power to the area that was taking the heaviest beating. In EV you are unable to harm the armor of any ship without knocking out it's entire shield grid. What makes you think planets are any different?

Because of the size. You'd have to have an unrealistically enormous shield grid to protect it adequately, and it would be very weak. Multiple shield emitters spread out would work much better, but that would also allow for holes to be punched in the grid.

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Originally posted by U.E. Admiral:
2. What makes you think it wouldn't fire back? It is equiped with it's own compliment of weapons.

It wouldn't last long. You seem to forget at every instance that this is a surprise attack, and that your crews would not simply immediately fire back. You are once again overestimating your powers.

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Originally posted by U.E. Admiral:
3. Yes my fleet was shredded, i can admit that. but not without dealing damage to you as well. My destroyers are fast enought to dodge torpedos and missiles, makeing them useless. My warships (destroyers + warbirds) are equiped with a disrupter beam and are thus unmached in head to head combat.

Your destroyers are that fast? In that case, my point is strengthened that you are a cheating player who takes advantage of inexperienced moderators to make your vessels invincible.

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Originally posted by U.E. Admiral:
4. You cant fire off 840 missiles in one volly. It takes time to reload.

Of course, but this is countered by the fact that Shrikes have 4 Missile Launchers each. If my calculations are correct (I'm really not sure that they are), that would give them an overrall missile reload of 4. That's faster than lasers. And actually, I just re-checked my stats for the shrike, and they show it having 80 Missiles per vessel, which makes for a combined total of 1120 Missiles. And, of course, a single Tigershark carries 40 Missiles and can fire them off just as fast as the Shrike.

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Originally posted by U.E. Admiral:
5. Yes you did, i had no quarrel with what you did in pelegon and Zebetrious.

Very good.

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Originally posted by U.E. Admiral:
6. What is the size of a shipbased shield generater? about 5 meters at largest. What about a generater the size of a house? Do the math.

Your station would still be unable to adequately hold up against heavy bombardment by consontrated fire. I was extremely conservative in how I figured out how many nukes I could send at that station of yours. I could probably send a lot more than I mentioned. And, of course, who even says I was within the stations line of fire when I attacked? I could have been on the other side of the planet, where it could not hit me (I did not say that because I was I did not know about the station, but in game my player would have, so that's just a little problem with communication in the real world).

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Originally posted by U.E. Admiral:
7. Yes i did forget those. But from what i saw you never researched them. you just bought the research? i think not.

Bought research? Dear me, boy, you sure don't know much about how to research things in webstories. Tell me, do I not pay my scientists? Do I not pay for the operation and maintainance of lab equipment? Do I not pay for prototypes? Research was constantly going on, I simply deducted the necissary funds for the research from my credits.

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Originally posted by U.E. Admiral:
**8. As said in the early part of getting Zebetriuos i was getting raw materials for ship building. My so-called massive income is just metels and rock.
My disrupters are not THAT powerful. Not to mention look how fast stardust got his forklift beam thingy. **

I had no knowledge of any forklift beam thingy, and if your so-called massive income is just metals and rocks, then I suggest you actually say so instead of giving the appearance that you get 400M+ credits per turn. Even then, it's unrealistic to assume you got THAT much resources from one system. And, of course, if I remember correctly you still get about 400M credits from trading (if I read your posts correctly). Another ludicrous point to your economy.

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Originally posted by U.E. Admiral:
As far as the 120 destroyers and 75 warbirds: It's called mass production. Like other governments, i have modern ship building factories and equipment. Example: CDX; they build countless ships each week in order to keep up with demand. So do i. Add in the War and you get fanatical workers.

That still does not excuse this huge amount of ship production. If this is really so, I should be able to produce 24 Tigersharks, 10 Shrikes, and 10 Dragons per post. Yet I don't. I build a much more realistic number, and being realistic is something you seem incapable of doing.

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Originally posted by U.E. Admiral:
9. It could take weeks to rebuild the damage done. I consider each post a week's time.

You consider? What about other people? Either way, I will be surprised to see any real damage to your government in your forthcoming posts.

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Originally posted by U.E. Admiral:
10. You dont seem to be researching anything. You just fund it and consider it done.

As I said in my argument for point 7; tell me, do I not pay my scientists? Do I not pay for the operation and maintainance of lab equipment? Do I not pay for prototypes? Research was constantly going on, I simply deducted the necissary funds for the research from my credits.

-Captain Carnotaur

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(This message has been edited by Captain Carnotaur (edited 10-23-2002).)

I DO have several shield generaters on my planet.

In order for you to hit my station with lasers and proton you would be in range of my station's disrupter fire.

None of my vessels are anywhere near invincable. Like your player, mine makes sure troops are trained as well as possible. In doing so, makes the ships that much better.

We use the same weapons. If you could hit my station it could return fire.

I dont see what is stopping you from making that many ships. I find it perfectly reasonable. Different people have diferent views i guess.

In many webstories ive read through a post was commonly understood to be a week's time. Surprised to see any real damage? You most likely killed off a quarter of my soon-to-be crews.

Yes, you pay scientists, but that doesnt give you instantanious research. It was less than 4 posts ago that you mentioned your ESG. How can something so effective be made so fast? As i said, you payed credits and installed them in the same post.
Needless to say, one is supposed to announce when they begin researching.

I get 400G(G=grand=thousand) from trade.

Stardust called his beam the Slicer beam and it did damage beyond that of a forklift.

Any experianced player can dodge a missile in a rebel destroyer(which my destroyers are based on), and i dont send 18 year olds to pilot military vessels.

Strange, i seem to remember many players uprising against you in WoD and saying things much like you are saying to me... Could there be a connection?

As i said before, i hate to argue. Where is stardust?! We need a moderation here(after all the Mod is always right).

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You cant buy bulk freighters without confed naval aproval. You will have to settle for light freighters or argosies.

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Originally posted by U.E. Admiral:
I DO have several shield generaters on my planet.

Then I would be able to punch a hole in your shield grid.

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Originally posted by U.E. Admiral:
In order for you to hit my station with lasers and proton you would be in range of my station's disrupter fire.

True, but who even says I was within the station's line of fire?

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Originally posted by U.E. Admiral:
None of my vessels are anywhere near invincable. Like your player, mine makes sure troops are trained as well as possible. In doing so, makes the ships that much better.

Yes, but unless you want to spend 6 years training just one soldier, your crewmen would still not be able to react instantaneously. Mine cannot react instantaneously.

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Originally posted by U.E. Admiral:
We use the same weapons. If you could hit my station it could return fire.

Yes, but, then again, who says I was even near it? I could easily have been beyond your range.

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Originally posted by U.E. Admiral:
I dont see what is stopping you from making that many ships. I find it perfectly reasonable. Different people have diferent views i guess.

1. Because I am more reasonable
2. Because I don't hugely exaggerate how much money I get

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Originally posted by U.E. Admiral:
In many webstories ive read through a post was commonly understood to be a week's time. Surprised to see any real damage? You most likely killed off a quarter of my soon-to-be crews.

As for the webstories; you are generalizing. Many webstories do not take up that much time. As for the damage; very well.

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Originally posted by U.E. Admiral:
Yes, you pay scientists, but that doesnt give you instantanious research. It was less than 4 posts ago that you mentioned your ESG. How can something so effective be made so fast? As i said, you payed credits and installed them in the same post.

Payed credits and installed them in the same post? Not sure what that means, and I also believe that I took longer than 4 posts to research the ESG. Some other people, on the other hand, have researched things MUCH quicker, and much more powerful.

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Originally posted by U.E. Admiral:
Needless to say, one is supposed to announce when they begin researching.

When did you get the silly idea that I didn't announce it? Of course I did. I announce everything in my posts; you just have to actually read it.

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Originally posted by U.E. Admiral:
I get 400G(G=grand=thousand) from trade.

Ah, I see, my mistake.

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Originally posted by U.E. Admiral:
Stardust called his beam the Slicer beam and it did damage beyond that of a forklift.

Ow. Well, this is not an argument about him, but I do think that should be moderated on.

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Originally posted by U.E. Admiral:
Any experianced player can dodge a missile in a rebel destroyer(which my destroyers are based on), and i dont send 18 year olds to pilot military vessels.

Not all your players are Rick Hardslab clones, you know. Do you ever see AI pilots dodging missiles? And even the most experienced pilots can't dodge a swarm of missiles/torpedoes/heavy rockets coming in from all sides.

This is like the 10th time you have been overestimating your governments strength. I'm sick of it. Don't play this webstory and assume your an Uber-government.

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Originally posted by U.E. Admiral:
Strange, i seem to remember many players uprising against you in WoD and saying things much like you are saying to me... Could there be a connection?

If you wish to bring up WoD, I would like to note that I was still right in that webstory, and that I did nothing wrong. You simply didn't like it because you were beaten up a little against an enemy which I didn't even WANT to win.

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Originally posted by U.E. Admiral:
As i said before, i hate to argue. Where is stardust?! We need a moderation here(after all the Mod is always right).

As do I, but you seem perfectly capable of continuing to argue, even though I have refuted your points in every one of my posts.

-Captain Carnotaur

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Alright, alright, step aside, moderator coming through.

Yeah, I know I haven't acted like one, but Stardust says I'm a mod, so I ought to start acting like one.

Everybody's been overexceeding the bounds of reality here.

It's not possible to make 1000 million credits or whatever highly unrealistic Number the Jadzians have been proposing for mining one system. You would only be able to have 35 million credits profits, tops, from mining an asteroid belt. You have to consider the time it takes, the price of machinery and reapairs, etc. 35 million credits per system seems fairly realistic, and, of course, there aren't an unlimited metal asteroids...

On the other hand, having the Mercenaries send a message to the Jadzians and arrive there in the same post is also unrealistic as well as unfair. When did your fleet depart? You need ot announce these thing, if not the destinations. I also can't recall you ever researching "nuclear missiles."

More on this subject soon...

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I obtained Nuclear weaponry through stealing the designs from the Jadzians. I also sent the message when I was already on the way there. And anyway, that's just a very minor problem.

Thank you, though, for intervening in this matter. I am sure that we can all bring this to settlement quickly and reasonably.

-Captain Carnotaur

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Originally posted by U.E. Admiral:
Any experianced player can dodge a missile in a rebel destroyer(which my destroyers are based on), and i dont send 18 year olds to pilot military vessels.

This isn't EV. This is a realistic adaptation of the game, and does not play by its rules. Besides, the player can only dodge missiles because they get a special speed boost.

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Originally posted by General Rak:
**This isn't EV. This is a realistic adaptation of the game, and does not play by its rules. Besides, the player can only dodge missiles because they get a special speed boost.

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Well said.

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I kind of find the whole "nuclear weaponry" concept to have its problems. The description of a torpedo in EV is that it contains matter and antimatter, a destructive force way higher than any nuclear fission explosives. We're talking about MASSIVE outputs of power and MASSIVE shielding capacities way better than any armor we have now, which explains why armor is so ineffective in EV while still being so bulky.

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Sorry, i was on vac. no computer, no internet, no nothing.

And after reviewing i vote in faver of Cono. Oh and i didnt useit as a forklift, with the damage of the forklift, or any thing else of the forklift.

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Originally posted by Entropy:
**I kind of find the whole "nuclear weaponry" concept to have its problems. The description of a torpedo in EV is that it contains matter and antimatter, a destructive force way higher than any nuclear fission explosives. We're talking about MASSIVE outputs of power and MASSIVE shielding capacities way better than any armor we have now, which explains why armor is so ineffective in EV while still being so bulky.

**

Stardust also named me a mod, and I completely agree with Entropy on this issue.

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Someone is gonna have to take over the rebels if Stardust doesn't appear soon.

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What if it was just a very tiny amount of anti-matter?

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Originally posted by Captain Carnotaur:
What if it was just a very tiny amount of anti-matter?

Even a "small" anti-matter / matter explosion (despite the obvious containment problem, which EV skirts around) is incredibly powerful. Exponentially more powerful than even the largest nuclear device.

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Owie. Very owie.

How about, uh, a Nuclear Missile which fuses trillions and trillions of enriched uranium atoms?

Or, we could simply look over that minor detail ;), or we could simply remove the nukes and replace them with something more powerful. A heavy torpedo with a warhead the size of a space bomb?

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Originally posted by Captain Carnotaur:
**Owie. Very owie.

How about, uh, a Nuclear Missile which fuses trillions and trillions of enriched uranium atoms?

Or, we could simply look over that minor detail ;), or we could simply remove the nukes and replace them with something more powerful. A heavy torpedo with a warhead the size of a space bomb?

**

I think that would be the best option. Just fix the post.

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The post? This wasn't just one post, we're talking about. The Jadzians outfitted tons of their ships with nukes (slang term for nuclear missiles, obviously), and I've mentioned them a lot as well. You can't just edit a single post.

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