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Originally posted by spl_cadet:
**Well, I think that there would be less Pirate losses than that considering the fact that most people are going to panic when they see half a dozen missiles after them. I would think that while attempting evasive manuevers they would end up being more concerned with manuevering than firing back. Then during that period the Pirates could move back. And of course KK can always void my post if he feels that it is better to do so.

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Well, just take into account that a small band of pirate fighters are likely to go into panic as well once they see HC fighters badly outnumbering them, guns blazing. The case could be the same with both sides.

We'll make those losses official, since you guys seem to agree with them for the most part. Carry on with the battle.

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Alright spl, my humblest apologies for my misspelling of your gunboat. Still, wouldn't you say the price needs to be changed, simpyl based on the fact that it is now better then it was, with no additional cost? Granted, it would be silly to try and change the outcome of already fought battles by going back in time, but still the price should go up by a couple million for future purchases, since you are basically doubling the shields and armor on that ship.

Also, for my future refrence, how many missiles does it take to destroy a stingray? Are the maneuverabilty stats between weapons and spacecraft on the same scale? Hope you find my new post satisfactory Spl, after all whereas your gunboats may be more heavily shielded, they are still outnumbered roughly thriteen to one when looking at my Stingrays. Come on KK! Move them capital ships!

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Originally posted by Macavenger:
**/me notes notes that spl_cadet claimed he went to Pollux after that void post about Sol. Thus, his fleet should have been in Darven before going to Pollux, which it obviously can't reach from there. Thus, spl_cadet has never been at Pollux, and his entire post is void. QED.
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Er... does that leave me back at square one, fighting just KK? And if his post about going to Sol is void, as it obviously is, wouldn't he still be in Perseus, and therefore technically able to make it to Pollux? And does he have to stop to receive his reinforcements, or can they meet up with him when he is on the move, and not engaged as he seemingly would have been?

Of course I'm not complaining if I get to have 50 or more of my Stingrays back.

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Originally posted by ZenMastaT:
Still, wouldn't you say the price needs to be changed, simpyl based on the fact that it is now better then it was, with no additional cost?

Wait, where did the stats change?

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Originally posted by ZenMastaT:
Granted, it would be silly to try and change the outcome of already fought battles by going back in time,

Battle never happened, you can see the thread. Oh, and I just sent you another email which is probably redundant, since I now see you did add losses to the first post dealing with KK. I can include that with the map update now.

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Originally posted by ZenMastaT:
Also, for my future refrence, how many missiles does it take to destroy a stingray?

Well, 3 LRBMs would have to actually hit it. How many would have to be fired to hit it three times is anyone's guess given the maneuverability.

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Originally posted by ZenMastaT:
Er... does that leave me back at square one, fighting just KK? And if his post about going to Sol is void, as it obviously is, wouldn't he still be in Perseus, and therefore technically able to make it to Pollux? And does he have to stop to receive his reinforcements, or can they meet up with him when he is on the move, and not engaged as he seemingly would have been?

Basically, it does leave you at square one. Here's the long version: spl_cadet said he was leaving Perseus to go to Sol. Leaving Perseus is legal, so I'm granting him that and placing him at Darven. His reinforcements arrive once he gets there. Either way, he can't reach Pollux. The 6 jumps is distance without refueling, there's a separate, flat, per post speed limit of three jumps for us and the Pirates and 4 for the Aliens and Dreden (advancced tech.) So, you can just edit out your post where you replied to him, and all will be fine.

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The missile I was referring to is the original EV Missile, which is apparently half the power of a full blast from one of these new cluster Missiles. Also, about the stat change, Spl mentioned this:

"(Note: After checking the HC shipyard, I've decided to retroactively boost the shields of the Deborah to 160 and armor to 40. Otherwise there are fighters that have better shielding than it and this is a gunboat)"

This was stated at the end of one of his posts of battle against me, just wondering if that affects pricing.

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Originally posted by ZenMastaT:
**Alright spl, my humblest apologies for my misspelling of your gunboat. Still, wouldn't you say the price needs to be changed, simpyl based on the fact that it is now better then it was, with no additional cost? Granted, it would be silly to try and change the outcome of already fought battles by going back in time, but still the price should go up by a couple million for future purchases, since you are basically doubling the shields and armor on that ship.
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No because they still cost the same as HC gunboats.

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Wait, where did the stats change?**

Actually spl, I'm going to void the stat change, because that would roughly double the cost, which would create more complications than I want to unravel. Consider that none of the HC gunboats have a speed of anything near 45, nor do they have three of the most powerful cannons and two of the same turrets. I created the price by comparing it to your Gunstar, which I haven't heard any whining about, so you can be quiet now.

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Originally posted by Macavenger:
**Actually spl, I'm going to void the stat change, because that would roughly double the cost, which would create more complications than I want to unravel. Consider that none of the HC gunboats have a speed of anything near 45, nor do they have three of the most powerful cannons and two of the same turrets. I created the price by comparing it to your Gunstar, which I haven't heard any whining about, so you can be quiet now.

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1. Pirates tend to research more into advanced propulsion and manueverability systems than do their HC counterparts.
2. You're right they don't. They instead carry 2 particle beam cannon, 4 bomb racks, 16 bombs, 2 Torpedo Launchers, 20 Torpedoes, 6 HALO Missile Launchers, and 300 HALO Missiles. With all due respect, I feel the price should stay the same or even drop and that we should be allowed to keep the stat change.

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Originally posted by spl_cadet:
1. Pirates tend to research more into advanced propulsion and manueverability systems than do their HC counterparts.
2. You're right they don't. They instead carry 2 particle beam cannon, 4 bomb racks, 16 bombs, 2 Torpedo Launchers, 20 Torpedoes, 6 HALO Missile Launchers, and 300 HALO Missiles. With all due respect, I feel the price should stay the same or even drop and that we should be allowed to keep the stat change.

1. I dispute that, besides, it costs money for advanced systems, hmm?
2. Well, half-point. I might review the pricing on that Gunship for you.

I updated the map with everything except the deal with Jager. Frankly, that's so crazy I think I'm just going to void it under the new suicide clause, designed specifically for that kind of situation. Doing it the way he thought he could, it half-way makes sense, so I don't want to punish an innocent attempt at rules violation by docking his entire fleet (which is what would wind up happening, more or less, after the dust settled). Therefore, he stays at Kaujathin with a full fleet. Anyone who wants to complain about that , stick it up your @$$, since it runs squarely counter to my governments best interest.

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Originally posted by Macavenger:
**1. I dispute that, besides, it costs money for advanced systems, hmm?
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Not if it is a running trend that has been well established. After all, the Dreden and Aliens get an extra jump or something and they don't have to pay extra to incorporate it into their ships.

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I think that mini plug is a great idea. I atcually thought about it a few days ago, but realized the limitation of 32 ships. But we could do certain parts, such as the questionableness of the Alien Heavy Cruiser battles.

But, uh, I won't make the plug!

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I have a question: How often do you receive income for new ships? is it page 4? Thanks

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Originally posted by BariSaxGuy5:
**I have a question: How often do you receive income for new ships? is it page 4? Thanks

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Every three pages

1, 4, 7, 10 etc.

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since rc seems to be inactive right now, I think I'm going to initiate research on the point defense cannons. Unless he objects, which I will give him time to do.

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Skyblade, should I just leave Verdicda since I really don't have a role there?

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**Mac: I don't think Skyblade should be able to finish rc off for at least until 6:00. It just doesn't seem fair.

Skyblade, should I just leave Verdicda since I really don't have a role there?

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Yeah, RC's absence is really holding up the entire Dreden Navy. :frown:

You'd probably be better off remaining in Verdica, away from the battle. If you leave, it's possible that retreating aliens or the fleet in the north will route and defeat what you have left. Besides, I intend on evening out fleet numbers after the battle is over.

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I really hope Jager's move wasn't recorded. This is crazy...

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Originally posted by Kylethekender545:
**I really hope Jager's move wasn't recorded. This is crazy...

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It wasn't, I voided it. just too crazy, though not necessarily a bad plan if he could jump out immediately, as he thought. I'm not going to wipe his fleet out for that though - that's way more than he deserves for an apparently innocent violation, and it would practically cripple the whole Empire. Not going there.

BTW, Kyle, your fleet range without refueling is 6, but you can travel four per post, OK? That's a flat amount.
(edit) Went ahead and moved you to Irakkis, since that was the farthest you could reach in one post along your flight path. As soon as an HC or Dreden player moves, feel free to move four spaces farther.(/edit)

/me ponders... I could probably kick RC and co. out to Ellsondor under the suicide clause... might do that if he doesn't move himself soon.

spl - The Alien and Dreden ships cost a wee bit more on average than comparable human types.

Bari - ok, so who is commanding the 59th? Name and rank?

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It's that commander Plute guy, I don't know what rank he should have, just something below centurion would be fine.

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