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Originally posted by spl_cadet:
**And in any case you still run up against the problem of the carrier being the equivelent of a Pirate fleet. Surronded by a few other ships it is invincible.
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So? The HC is huge efficient industrial power. Pirates get their resources and ship/designs from raiding and old factories.

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Originally posted by General Rak:
**So? The HC is huge efficient industrial power. Pirates get their resources and ship/designs from raiding and old factories.
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How do you know that the Pirates don't have original thinkers? How do you know that we don't have very rich systems full of resources? And why is it that we could take your systems so easily if you are such a huge power?

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Originally posted by spl_cadet:
How do you know that the Pirates don't have original thinkers?

You do! Where do you think the Buster Cannon and "have-the-alien-fleet-slam-into-Levo" strategy came from?

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Originally posted by spl_cadet:
How do you know that we don't have very rich systems full of resources?

Because you don't.

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Originally posted by spl_cadet:
And why is it that we could take your systems so easily if you are such a huge power?

Because if this were real, the HC would have dozens of BattleGroups, guarding the border. Not to mention outposts.

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spl, in original form, you have to admit, the Buster Cannon is a huge overbalance. The only alternatives I can think of are making it very short range (remove disable ship clause, but it would also have to slow the ship down or something), or making any ship with it cost more like 100 million credits more, possibly more than that. Rak's original restrictions still left it a superweapon with no realistic drawbacks. Superweapons have to be either really expensive or have some other kind of restrictions - well beyond the originals.

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Hmmm...you pirates should just concentrate on medium-level weapons like better turrets and missiles and stuff,and build up your strength that way,with realistic,mass produceable ships you can afford.
BTW:Spl_Cadet,do you want to see my Cruiser design?

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Possibly, the cannon could be medium range (missle range) weapon, but inflict the same amount of damage to the firing ship as the target if within a short distance (laser range).

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Right, I like the short range idea, and I do agree that the Carrier is more powerful then anything the pirates have, but I don't think the solution to that is to invent a weapon that can obliterate it instantaneously, with the only cost being that of the pirate ship that killed it. What else can be done to even the playing field a bit? I don't really like the idea of multiple super weapons, that would just be mass carnage where battles would be determined by whoever fired first or something, although the idea of a weapon that can easily disable another superweapon sounds good.

Oh, and I think this is the longest topic I've ever seen, though that may start to become a bad thing if it isn't already.

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(This message has been edited by ZenMastaT (edited 09-03-2001).)

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Originally posted by ZenMastaT:
**Oh, and I think this is the longest topic I've ever seen, though that may start to become a bad thing if it isn't already.
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No. BB2 was longer.

(quote)Originally posted by ZenMastaT:
Right, I like the short range idea, and I do agree that the Carrier is more powerful then anything the pirates have, but I don't think the solution to that is to invent a weapon that can obliterate it instantaneously, with the only cost being that of the pirate ship that killed it. (/quote)

Fundamentally, I don't have a problem with that, as long as the pirate ship costs about as much as the Carrier. But I don't think the pirates want all their ships with a Buster Cannon to cost 150+ million credits, so I imagine we'll be doing the short range, slow ship option.

What else can be done to even the playing field a bit? I don't really like the idea of multiple super weapons, that would just be mass carnage where battles would be determined by whoever fired first or something, although the idea of a weapon that can easily disable another superweapon sounds good.

Oh, and I think this is the longest topic I've ever seen, though that may start to become a bad thing if it isn't already.
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Originally posted by Lyra Engel:
No. BB2 was longer.

Well, we'll just have to change that won't we? Whats the next step in preperation for BFS3? Still waiting for the ship pics and such?

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On the matter of the buster cannon, Mac's idea sounds pretty good. A short range, powerful beam is more balanced than a long range energy weapon. On the restrictions, it should cost a lot (about as much as a Siege Carrier, probably), but if it's a beam, it shouldn't disable the ship.

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Originally posted by Lord Asriel:
Telegram to KK: PLEASE JOIN STOP WE NEED MORE PIRATES STOP

He did, just getting a little impatient. I'm bugging Skyblade for all of you now, so hopefully it won't be long. Those 8k e-mails will fill up his inbox eventually, you know, and he'll have to do something about it.

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Why have a superweapon when you can focus on creating fast powerfull ships that are less than fairly priced. I think the pirates have to work on creating better ships, not putting super guns on their crappy ships.

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Originally posted by rebel council:
**Why have a superweapon when you can focus on creating fast powerfull ships that are less than fairly priced. I think the pirates have to work on creating better ships, not putting super guns on their crappy ships.

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I agree, pirates are fundamentally hit-and-run types. However, we know who made this weapon, and we know what his strategy is.

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Originally posted by General Rak:
**I agree, pirates are fundamentally hit-and-run types. However, we know who made this weapon, and we know what his strategy is.;)
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For those who don't know, here is my strategy. KILL OFF EVERYONE! There. Mix that with some actual strategy and you get the idea. As for why I decided on a superweapon rather than a better ship.
Lord Asriel had asked for ideas for a new weapon. I sent him an e-mail giving the basic stats of the buster cannon. He said to post it to see how fast Macavengers head would explode. So I did. Unfortunatly, it didn't explode. Rak and I got some good prelim rules for it togethor and voila. As for how I got the inspiration for the giant beam weapon from hell and the name; I'm an anime freak.
The new restrictions look pretty good actually. So I guess we'll take those and terrorize the HC in a little while.

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(This message has been edited by spl_cadet (edited 09-04-2001).)

Well, we'll see... I have some new defensive warfare techniques which will bring the pathetic Buster Cannon to its knees.

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Originally posted by General Rak:
**Well, we'll see... I have some new defensive warfare techniques which will bring the pathetic Buster Cannon to its knees.:D
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Oh, do tell, my e-mail program is open now. My technique was to kill all Buster Cannon ships before they got in range, but your sounds like it might be a bit deeper and better.

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When is this thing going to be started? I can't wait to watch it...

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Originally posted by Luke:
**When is this thing going to be started? I can't wait to watch it...
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Whenever the graphics are compiled and completed.

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