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      Originally posted by spl_cadet:
      **100 quad laser turrets, numerous flak turrets etc. and you are telling me that the armament on the Cougar is almost that of the Heavy Cruiser?! Think again. And its shields and armor together are similar to that of the Alien fighter which has heavy fusion beams which I believe put it on a footing with the Cougar.

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      Look at the secondaries. πŸ˜›

      I agree Macavenger. Let those poor pirates salivate over its price.
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      (This message has been edited by General Rak (edited 08-07-2001).)

    • I have an idea, let's cut this argument off for a moment. I'll go re-price all the ships, and figure out what I think hte Cougar in it's current form is worth. At that point, the pirates can choose to accept it as an expensive ship, or they can lower its stats some. Sound fair to everyone?

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      Originally posted by General Rak:
      **Look at the secondaries. πŸ˜›
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      20 Turreted torpedoe launchers and 200 torpedoes. Yeah our secondaries are really that powerful. Well maybe. But its like a space bomb sortof.
      If you are going to change prices you are going to have to jack up the prices for the Heavy Cruiser. 20 mil is dirt cheap for that.
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      Cougar gunships+Starscreamers+X-Rapiers=Dead HC fleets

      (This message has been edited by spl_cadet (edited 08-07-2001).)

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      Originally posted by spl_cadet:
      20 Turreted torpedoe launchers and 200 torpedoes. Yeah our secondaries are really that powerful. Well maybe. But its like a space bomb sortof.
      If you are going to change prices you are going to have to jack up the prices for the Heavy Cruiser. 20 mil is dirt cheap for that.

      All prices are being edited.

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    • "Tri-Photon Turrets?"
      Do you mean Proton Turrets,or are you nasty,theiving Pirates trying to sneak technology under our noses?
      It's no use,you know-nothing escapes the ever-vigilant eyes of the Empire...

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      Long live the Alien Emperor,may he rule for a million years! -Third Star Fleet Commander Shade,following the Battle of NGC-0538

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      Originally posted by Shade:
      **"Tri-Photon Turrets?"
      Do you mean Proton Turrets,or are you nasty,theiving Pirates trying to sneak technology under our noses?
      It's no use,you know-nothing escapes the ever-vigilant eyes of the Empire...
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      Check under new weapons.

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      Cougar gunships+Starscreamers+X-Rapiers=Dead HC fleets

    • Sorry about that. I guess I got a bit carried away there. Okay, I'll reduce the stats, but keep the price. Remove one turret, all torpedoes, one mine launcher, three propulsion mines, and have only two heavy rocket launchers with 18 heavy rockets. I really think that that's fair. The shielding isn't really that good, however. It's speed makes it dangerous. And now it is comparable with an Alien Heavy Fighter.

      I can give suggestions for the Kestrel and SK. If this costs 4M, the Kestrel should cost about 5.5M to 6M, and the SuperKestrel should probably cost about 9M to 10M. I really do believe that that is fair.

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      Cougars and Siege Carriers are a very good combination for the Pirates.

    • You'll get all the prices tomorrow, most likely. I will do my own assessment of value, but I will take your reduced weapons into account when pricing the Cougar.

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      - Macavenger | e-mail: (url="http://"mailto:e-gamerguy1@home.com")mailto:e-gamerguy1@home.com(/url)e-gamerguy1@home.com

    • The Alien Destroyer is the new Alien ship for page 5. In the interest of topic size, I'm only going to post links to the pictures here.

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      Edit - forgot stats

      Crew: 246
      Shields: 1200
      Armor; 300
      Turn: **
      Speed: 250
      Space: 50
      Cargo: 50
      Price: 15,000,000 (subject to change, as with all ships right now)
      6 Needle Turrets
      4 Detonator Launchers and 192 Detonator Canisters
      2 Seeker Module Launchers and 60 Seeker Modules
      2 Fusion Particle Beams

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    • YaAaAaAaAaaaahHhHhH!!!!!

      Macavenger,I want a couple of Destroyers when the time comes around to buy ships(as well as wanting an Imperial Watermelon and 32 Interceptors for it)
      But you didn't post it's range!
      I need to know if it'll slow me down.

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    • True, I forgot the range - 6 Jumps. It won't slow you down. πŸ™‚

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    • Aaahhh,good.
      Much better.

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      Originally posted by Shade:
      YaAaAaAaAaaaahHhHhH!!!!!

      Well, that's an unexpected reaction πŸ˜‰

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    • I finished repricing all the ships.

      This si probably the only time since the beginning that I wish I was in the HC, because this would be far easier that way.

      The HC has got the worst of the repricing, and the Aliens have the best of it.

      I know I'm probably going to get flamed for this, so two things before you do. First, please do it by e-mail, because I don't want to clog up this topic with flames and my replies. Second, before you do, I challenge anyone who is upset about these prices to sit down with all the relevant stats and play around with the prices for an hour to an hour and a half, like I did. If you've done that and send me what you think afterwards, you'll have a much higher chance of being taken seriously. However, these prices are pretty well final, so you're going to need a really good reason to get me to change my mind.

      For the HC, the news is pretty much all bad.
      The pirates are probably going to be upset about the prices on their favorite toys, but this should make sense, you pirates like them because they're good, and good ships cost more. OTOH, you'll be happy with some old standbys like the Corvette and especially Kestrel.
      News is mostly good for the Aliens, and this is a large part of the reason I'm expecting flames. I think Skyblade must have a higher estimation of the power of our beams than I do.

      There are two ships in particular that I expect massive objections to price from their governments, so let me say a couple things about those here.

      Human Confederation Carrier: 150,000,000
      Let me first state my conviction that, if anything, this ship may still be underpriced. I don't feel I can jack it up any higher though, and it is close.
      I also think we need to be treating this thing differently in combat, it's far more dangerous then we give it credit for. It costs more than 3 times as much as a repriced Alien Battlecruiser (45 mil), but it could take 3 down in a straight fight without fighters(Neither comes with fighters), taking Moderate to Heavy damage. If you think about damage rates and shielding numbers, you can work this out for yourself.

      Pirate/Renegade Siege Carrier: 65,000,000
      First, if you look at the repriced fighters, you'll realize that over 50,000,000 of this is just for the 48 "fighters" it comes with. X-Rapiers and Starscreamers are hardly fighters, based on their power. Don't complain aboutt he fact that it costs more than an Alien Battlecruiser either, because the fighters carry more than enough punch to take one.

      New prices for ships are listed, and I've put the old prices are shown next to them in parentheses for convenience. So, especially for people who will be buying ships soon, see the new (url="http://"http://members.home.net/e-gamerguy1/ev/bfs2/ShipPriceIndex.html")Ship Price Index(/url).

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    • Mac can you hoock me up with one of those cariers, if posible! Also 5 destroyers would help!

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    • You'll all get hooked up with some of the new stuff, as soon as page 6 appears. πŸ™‚

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    • Mac: I read your pricing changes, and I found everything very reasonable. One exception: Maybe our own carrier (the Imperial Watermelon) is a bit underpriced, as well as a little too weak, maybe.

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      Originally posted by Clueless:
      **Mac: I read your pricing changes, and I found everything very reasonable. One exception: Maybe our own carrier (the Imperial Watermelon) is a bit underpriced, as well as a little too weak, maybe.
      **

      The watermelon is priced correctly for it's stats, though you may have a point, they could use a little help, perhaps... I'll think about that. Should be able to modify them, since no one has one yet ;), but remember that you suggested most of that. I just didn't want to give it too many beams, but now that I've looked stats over, I ralize that would take a lot.

      Hrm...

      Let's add 4 F/P Turret Beams, 2 Seekr Module launchers/300 more ammo, 5000 shield, and bump the price up to about 90 mil. Sound fair to everyone? I'll update the price page soon, and hopefully get all this stuff in the shipyard.

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      Originally posted by Macavenger:
      πŸ˜‰

      It's official now. πŸ™‚

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    • We now have an interesting ship only known as the Two-Headed Destroyer. In other words, it can fire in two directions at once--yes, I realize that this will be expensive. It also carries an advanced weapon known as the HNR, or Homing Nuclear Rocket.

      Shields: 1150
      Armor: 200
      Speed: 225
      Turning: Β• Β• Β•
      Mass: 80 tons
      Cargo: 40 tons
      Crew: 396
      Fuel: 8 jumps
      Weapons for each side of the ship: 4 Tri-Photon Turrets-1 Propulsion Mine Launcher-7 Propulsion Mines-1 HNR Launcher-2 HNRs-2 Missile Launchers-10 Missiles
      Price: 12.00M (maybe?)

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      Cougars and Siege Carriers are a very good combination for the Pirates.