I have just got the mission 'there is always manhattan' and all it says is that I have to go to Pale IV. However when I land on Pale IV the mission does not complete. There is no completion text, and is still listed in mission info.

What am I missing?! :frown:

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Originally posted by Evil Homer:
**I have just got the mission 'there is always manhattan' and all it says is that I have to go to Pale IV. However when I land on Pale IV the mission does not complete. There is no completion text, and is still listed in mission info.

What am I missing?! :frown:

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I've heard about this same problem. I believe there has been a bug fix released for Pale, but I'm not sure where you can get it. If you can find it however, it should fix the problem...

...Just my two cents.

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You are thinking of the visage bug, which does appear to be similar. I have just downloaded the visage patch, but that does not affect my mission.

At the moment I am trying to use the visage patch to try and make a bug fix for the manhattan mission, but I'm not having much luck

Thanks!

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"I saw weird stuff in that place last night. Weird, strange, sick, twisted, eerie, godless, evil stuff. And I want in." Homer Simpson
"When I am king you will be first against the wall...." Radiohead, Paranoid Android
"He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy!" Brian's Mum

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Originally posted by Evil Homer:
**You are thinking of the visage bug, which does appear to be similar. I have just downloaded the visage patch, but that does not affect my mission.

At the moment I am trying to use the visage patch to try and make a bug fix for the manhattan mission, but I'm not having much luck

Thanks!

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Trying to fix the mission with ResEdit? That might do it, if you know your EV Bible really well. Otherwise, the only solution I can think of is starting a new pilot file (which I have had to do).

Sorry I couldn't give you mroe help, but I wish you the best of luck!

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~Captain Skyblade

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What plug-in is Pale on?

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Originally posted by GeneralBill2:
What plug-in is Pale on?

Hmmm...I can't quite understand your question. If you're wandering where to get it, read the above posts.

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Originally posted by Evil Homer:
**You are thinking of the visage bug, which does appear to be similar. I have just downloaded the visage patch, but that does not affect my mission.

At the moment I am trying to use the visage patch to try and make a bug fix for the manhattan mission, but I'm not having much luck

Thanks!

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The "bug" is a visbit issue. The short of it is that you must complete the "Pale Visage" misn in order for the correct version of Pale IV to become visible. Then you can complete "There will always be Manhattan".

The long of it is as far as the EV engine is concerned, there are two spobs named 'Pale IV'. "There will always be Manhatten" wants you to visit the second 'Pale IV'. The first 'Pale IV' is visible and visitable before you finish "Pale Visage". The second one is swapped in place of the original by the "Pale Visage" misn. If you try to tinker with this complex of misn/visbits, you will find yourself in a royal mess of other misns that depend on visiting either the pre or post Visage 'Pale IV'.

Fabulous tool for analyzing plugins: (url="http://"http://www.ambrosiasw.com/cgi-bin/vftp/dl-redirect.pl?path=ev/utilities&file;=EVMissionBits2.0.sit")http://www.ambrosias...utilities&file= EVMissionBits2.0.sit://http://www.ambrosiasw.com/cgi-bin/v...sionBits2.0.sit://http://www.ambrosiasw.com/cgi-bin/v...sionBits2.0.sit://http://www.ambrosiasw.com/cgi-bin/v...sionBits2.0.sit(/url)
The information this tool provides tremendously enhances the effectiveness of Resedit.

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(This message has been edited by magicianeer (edited 06-13-2001).)

Never had a problem with that. Drove me crazy in the defense for Pale, but that was only because I got blown up a lot of times. Managed to blow up any ship that blew me up, though; guess the old saying is true, take em down with you.

Whitehawk

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Thank you magicianeer, that bug has been seriously doing my head in. You deserve lots of Karma for that :)!!!

Anyway thanks to your info I got a small plugin together that allowed me to complete the mission. I've uploaded it to my website at (url="http://"http://homepage.mac.com/evilhomer/")http://homepage.mac.com/evilhomer/(/url)
If you download the plug, tell me what you think

I have not uploaded it to the Ambrosia FTP site, since the plugin is completely untested. I didn't touch the misnbits or visbits (yet), instead I changed the returnstel to the first Pale IV spob ID. However, this meant I had to alter the convoy mission as well, so I don't know what effect this will have?!
I may try creating a fix based on misnbits in the future.

P.S. Who created Pale?

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"I saw weird stuff in that place last night. Weird, strange, sick, twisted, eerie, godless, evil stuff. And I want in." Homer Simpson
"When I am king you will be first against the wall...." Radiohead, Paranoid Android
"He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy!" Brian's Mum

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Originally posted by Evil Homer:
**Thank you magicianeer, that bug has been seriously doing my head in. You deserve lots of Karma for that:)!!!

Anyway thanks to your info I got a small plugin together that allowed me to complete the mission. I've uploaded it to my website at http://homepage.mac.com/evilhomer/
If you download the plug, tell me what you think
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Thanks
/me blushes
I downloaded your plug, I will comment sometime next week after I look at it. I get my internet access from work after hours, no EV installation here. I take things home and try them there.

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P.S. Who created Pale?
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Pale was created by the webboard member "Soul", real name unknown. He is not much into EV anymore, he last posted here: (url="http://"http://www.AmbrosiaSW.com/cgi-bin/ubb/postdisplay.cgi?forum=Forum6&topic;=001434")http://www.AmbrosiaS...m6&topic=001434(/url)
Worth reading if you intend to contact him, which you should do if you plan on releasing a patch to his plugin.

His Pale website: (url="http://"http://www.fortunecity.com/roswell/astrology/90/index.html")http://www.fortuneci...y/90/index.html(/url)
Downloads dont work there.

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(This message has been edited by magicianeer (edited 06-15-2001).)

Pale is the creation and copyright of Ben Singely. And to answer anyone's question if asked in the future, yes I do have a bunch of free time on my hands.

Whitehawk

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Man, that problem with the 'manhattan' mission is bizarre.

THe plug's been out for 3 years and I haven't received any comments about a bug in it that prevents the player from finishing it, neither since its release nor in alpha/beta testing.

I'd be curious to know how you got to the mission string. Theoretically (it's been a while..), you should have completed all the major mission sets (except the pirate and Lethe/Cydonia) one before you can get this set. Have you completed the pale visage string?

My email's ksingley@bellsouth.net.

Soul

At least I know Soul's alive. How's your kid doing?

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First of all, my fix for this possible bug is crap. The version on my web page does not work (the availbitset in the convoy mission is wrong), and once I got it to work it screwed up the storyline.
Anyway, I emailed Ben (Soul). Since I have been having problems with my Emails recently, here is what was in the Email:

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Hi,
this is Malcolm Cleland (Evil Homer on the ASW webboards). I have finally had a chance to look over the Pale plugin using Resedit, and this is what I have found (although you probably know this already).

The mission 'There will always be manhattan' is part of the Artemis groups investigation of Orion mission string. This mission string is a direct continuation of the Artemis group mission string in EV, which I had already completed in the pilot file which I used for Pale.

Therefore what has happened is that due to me previously completing the Artemis group missions in EV, I was able to start the investigate Orion missions straight after installing Pale, and before I had completed the 'Pale visage' mission.

The 'Pale visage' mission is part of the mission string which begins with 'Lovejoy' and is separate from the Orion mission string. Completion of the 'Pale visage' mission creates the new Pale system by setting mission bit 226. It is this new Pale system which is required to complete the manhattan mission.

The only way I can see to fixing this bug is to change the mission's short description in the mission info to something like 'remember to keep checking back at Pale IV for the meeting'.
I tried changing the returnstel of the mission to the old Pale IV but that messes up the storyline later.
You can't change the manhattan missions availbitset to 226, because then the player could get that mission without getting the rest of the mission string (unless you set the earlier missions availrandom to 100%). You could try setting the first mission in the investigate orion mission string (old friend mission), to availbitset 226, but then the player would not need to carry out the artemis group mission string in EV.

Anyway that is all the information I can give, sorry if some of it is stating the obvious

Pale is an incredible plugin. Great mission mission design, and gorgeous graphics. I just hope this information is any help!

Malcolm

So Ben, if you read this, please Email me and tell me what you think!

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"I saw weird stuff in that place last night. Weird, strange, sick, twisted, eerie, godless, evil stuff. And I want in." Homer Simpson
"When I am king you will be first against the wall...." Radiohead, Paranoid Android
"He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy!" Brian's Mum

OK, now a question for regular EV: How do I destroy the munitions Rebel Cruiser in my Corvette?