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Originally posted by Marko:
But I would buy lasers for my first three cannons and then protons. The best combination are laser guns and javelins (once the shield is gone). Two pods (only 10t) and a few hundred javelins are just as good as primary weapons, and you can refill easily by capturing some Corvettes.

well, yes, i agree by all means that if youre also using javelins (a 0/15 weapon, 3.75/15 after the formula, 11.25/45 adjusted, 22.5/90 with two launchers) you already have the armor damage more than covered, so you should buy in a ratio much, much heavier with laser cannons.

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-Asmodaethur

For reasons already posted on this board, I am voting for Laser Cannons. I prefer Proton turrets, but the laser is the better cannon.

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Current Stats Report:

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Proton Cannon: 6 votes
Laser Cannon: 6 votes

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I can't believe that these two are tied...Although I voted for protons, I use laser cannons much more often.

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I vote protons, for reasons already stated.

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Current Stats Report:

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Proton Cannon: 7 votes
Laser Cannon: 6 votes

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Protons gain another vote...

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I wish I had posted your post, asmodeatur I'm specialist of calculations For calculations reasons, I vote for the Laser Cannon. Proton: heavier, slower, slower recharge rate, only a bit more damage per shot for shields, and no ship has enough armor for the mass damage to be interesting.

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Current Stats Report:

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Proton Cannon: 7 votes
Laser Cannon: 7 votes

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All you proton fans should be ashamed...I can't believe how close this has been.

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Let me push lasers ahead. Put my vote for lasers.

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Current Stats Report:

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Proton Cannon: 7 votes
Laser Cannon: 8 votes

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To my disbelief, laser cannons are now in the lead.

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I think my votes for Laser Cannons and Missiles have a lot to do with mass. In the case of the cannons at least, Protons are a bit better, but the ships that need cannons to be effective don't have the mass for Protons. I do like Proton turrets better, because the ships that carry turrets all have he room for those.

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I used to be a major suporter or Proton cannons but then looked at the space and said hell with it. Right now i fill up on laser cannons then proton then javalins. So LASERS!!!!!

Tycho Maudd

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Lasers: 9
Protons: 7

I'm kinda surprised to see lasers in the lead here, didn't know there were so many other laser fans.

I agree with your sentiments abiut space, Tycho Maudd. Well said, I think.

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Originally posted by Macavenger:
**Lasers: 9
Protons: 7

I'm kinda surprised to see lasers in the lead here, didn't know there were so many other laser fans.

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Right on. I'm also surprised, very surprised in fact to see lasers take the lead by two. Protons have been considered a long-time favorite of Escape Velocity, but I guess less mass has always been attractive when it comes to outfits...

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Lasers are only good for attacking the Alien cruiser. Otherwise, they stink, big time. Protons have much greater damage and it's worth it for the extra size.

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Originally posted by Captain Carnotaur:
**Lasers are only good for attacking the Alien cruiser. Otherwise, they stink, big time. Protons have much greater damage and it's worth it for the extra size.

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Would someone please do a proper test here? Check up on the lasers shield advantage and average armour:shields ratio on ships? I think Carnotaur will be surprised...

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Current Stats Report:

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Proton Cannon: 8 votes
Laser Cannon: 9 votes

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Well, I checked for the Alien Cruiser, shields only.

Kestral:
3 Laser Turrets = 9 shots/sec
4 Laser Cannons = 6 shots/sec
10.5*15=157.5

3 Proton Turrets = 9 shots/sec
5 Proton Cannons = 5 shots/sec
12.5*14=175

Corvette:

2 Laser Turrets = 6 shots/sec
4 Laser Cannons = 6 shots/sec
10.5 damage shields/shot = 10.5*12=126

2 Proton Turrets = 6 shots/sec
5 Proton Cannons = 5 shots/sec
12.5 damage shields/shot = 12.5*11=137.5

Rapier:
4 Laser Cannons = 6 shots/sec
10.5*6=63

4 Proton Cannons = 4 shots/sec
12.5*4=50

Lightning:

4 Laser Cannons = 6 shots/sec
10.5*6=63

5 Proton Cannons = 5 shots/sec
12.5*5=62.5

So, on capital ships, Protons are more efficient against the Alien, because the Turrets fira at equal rate and tip scales. Lasers are a better choice on the Rapier, because it only holds 4 Cannons. They are also a tiny bit better on the Lightning, but .5 points/sec is hardly significant. Overall, I go with Protons against the alien.

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Originally posted by Macavenger:
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So, on capital ships, Protons are more efficient against the Alien, because the Turrets fira at equal rate and tip scales. Lasers are a better choice on the Rapier, because it only holds 4 Cannons. They are also a tiny bit better on the Lightning, but .5 points/sec is hardly significant. Overall, I go with Protons against the alien.

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Interesting statistics...Laser cannons are always better when used on fighters, but protons are a good choice for the capitals. But often, I take on the alien cruiser in a fighter, so laser cannons are necissary to save some room and tear through the shielding a bit more quickly.

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Originally posted by Asmodaethur:
**so you see lasers actually do much more damage (26% more damage in fact) to shields in the same time period. more damage is not the same as less damage, i am afraid (nothing personal) hee hee!
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Hee hee yourself.

Seriously: That is some nice reasoning, Asmodaethur. Very thoughtful. Very well done!

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Wait a moment. Why on earth is someone reasoning that the proton is better, and isn't even making it a fair test, because they're saying "5 protons" to "4 lasers"? Isn't that a little unfair?

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