parental intervention

Spazzybob

ok a while ago, I downloaded the Uplink demo. I played it and found it to be on the verge of a freakin awesome game! So I went to my parents to try and get a registration and showed them the game... stopped me right there... this game is blah blah blah.... morally wrong... blah blah blah and so on. I tired the, "its no as bad as some of the games i have..." thing but that didn't work. anyone got any advice?

edit- oh yes, why do new misions eventually only appear at noon and midnight?
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(This message has been edited by Spazzybob (edited 02-02-2004).)

TheBruse

Tell them exactly this: that this game will teach you how Script Kidde ( the true term for hackers) work and you therefor will be able to counter them in life, a very valuable skill. That worked on mine. And the new missions aper at those times because that is when the administrator posts them, like how once every two months the EVN add-ons page is updated.

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mrxak

Tell them that if you don't get out your aggressions in a harmless way, you may end up like Kevin Mitnick :p.

Seriously, games don't turn people into criminals. They help ease tensions that would otherwise build up and cause serious psychological problems and anti-social tendencies. Why is it that psychologists suggest stressed-out people to go on vacations? They know that stress builds up and blows up for people who don't find ways to relax. If Uplink helps you relax and get away from reality for a while, that's much better than heavy drinking or drug use.

Plus, it's a puzzle game. It's much more mentally stimulating than a lot of other games out there.

LifeKnight

Bleh. I learned a lot more about how to stop hackers from Uplink then getting the insentive to actually hack stuff. I would never hack stuff. The only hacking I would do is getting around some completely illogical bans set on certain IRC channels...

EDIT: Oh yeah. Spazzy, tell them, "It's not a gorey shoot-dem-up game like Unreal, and it's not an Occultish RPG. It's a harmless techie-game."
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(This message has been edited by LifeKnight (edited 02-03-2004).)

Spazzybob

thanks guys, I'll try

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Rickton

Your parents won't let you play Uplink? Phhh, and I bet you play games like Unreal and Doom...
Even if games could cause you to do stuff (which they don't, unless you're seriously messed up to begin with), which is worse? Shooting people? Or hacking?

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The box said Windows 95 or greater...so why doesn't it work on a Mac?

Spazzybob

yeah well, the vilent first person shooters I play are violent, quake III, were obtained by my brothers. Now since they are on burned CD's I haven't asked HOW they got them :p, So my parents ignore those, as long as they arn't brought to their attention :p:P

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LifeKnight

So they don't know you play Unreal. Very clever...
Also, tell them Uplink is an Ambrosia game. Most (no, all) of the stuff Ambrosia makes is 'clean'.

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TheDarkDragon

That it's not real, and nothing like real hacking, perhaps?

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STraven

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Originally posted by TheDarkDragon:
**That it's not real, and nothing like real hacking, perhaps?

**

That's what I was going to say.

This game has absolutely nothing to do with real hacking, except a few things (remove tracks, bypass security, be quick, bounce your connection through several points).
How many computer can you hack with such knowledge? None.
Every security system are different, and aren't as easily bypassed.

Also, as LifeKnight said, all of ASW products are 'clean'. They (and the authorities too) would never have allowed a "hack teaching" game to exist. Never.
Oh, and in case you don't know, ASW and their server are in the USA, which mean that they've to obey the laws, and could be very easily stopped if they were releasing such thing.
It would be a complete absurdity for them to do something like a "hacker's guide".

LifeKnight

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Originally posted by STraven:
**It would be a complete absurdity for them to do something like a "hacker's guide".

**

That's what happened to Steven Jackson games right? That 'joke' server in the game? I heard that server was releated to a real incident ^^

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mrxak

How goes the convincing?

Spazzybob

WEEEEELLLL..... lets put it this way " Blank stare ...Blank stare.... Blank stare.... Thats all well and good but you're wrong and the game is bad" thats esentially their reaction, oh well I'll figure something out. I don't know, maybe if I actually manage straight A's or something...

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TheDarkDragon

Saying Uplink teaches someone how to hack is like saying the Hamburgler teaches kids how to rob banks.

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mrxak

Tell them that if you don't register it, you really are stealing.

LifeKnight

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Originally posted by mrxak:
**Tell them that if you don't register it, you really are stealing.

**

Yes, I agree.

At this point Spazzy, you may be tempted to pirate the game. Well, don't. My agents will track you down and feed you to Rawzer. And yes, I really do have anti-piracy agents.

Oh, and show them this topic. That should help.

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STraven

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Originally posted by LifeKnight:
**That's what happened to Steven Jackson games right? That 'joke' server in the game? I heard that server was releated to a real incident ^^

**

Exactly.
Oh, and those who're interested by this incident should look at this...

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Originally posted by Spazzybob:
**" Blank stare ...Blank stare.... Blank stare.... Thats all well and good but you're wrong and the game is bad "

**

Oh. look like you'll need to find the money somewhere else...
I hope I'm wrong and your parents will admit that Uplink is far from being that bad.

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Originally posted by LifeKnight:
**At this point Spazzy, you may be tempted to pirate the game. Well, don't. My agents will track you down and feed you to Rawzer. And yes, I really do have anti-piracy agents

**

your anti-piracy agents ?
and feed him to Rawzer ?
Dunno what you've been smokin', but you should really stop now.

More seriously, you're right. There's other way of finding the money needed for something (a job ?). And Uplink is not the most expensive thing.

WolfLore

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Originally posted by TheDarkDragon:
**Saying Uplink teaches someone how to hack is like saying the Hamburgler teaches kids how to rob banks.

**

Agreed, Uplink is about as far from real hacking as you can get.

Spaz, first off. NEVER EVER go with the "It's not as bad as some games I have..." I did that once and managed to get my so called worse game taken away (it was Metal Gear Solid One). Uplink is not going to teach anybody how to hack, its scales about 1 on the old realism level. My advice? Register Uplink via the mal using cash and request in the comment box that your code be sent to you over e-mail (it is automatically actually) and not through the mail. Your parents will never know. However, if you do follow through with this and your parents find out I am not to be held responsible for your death. What you need to do is build up a reputation for playing games like Return To Castle Wolfenstien so that when you say, "Mom I want to buy this hacking simulator." your mother thinks, "He actually wants a game with no guns, no blood, no violence? Oh I just new this glorious day would come! Infact I'll buy it for him."

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prophile

Tell them it's a game about being a SysAdmin and fighting off Hackers.

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LifeKnight

Correct AV, since you do fight off hackers at one point or another (you fight the Revalation virus too).

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(This message has been edited by LifeKnight (edited 02-12-2004).)

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