OK, htjyang, here we are..... this has been posted in the Briefing Room, Officer's Club, and Trash Talk. Here's what it is:

Please rank the races in two things:

1. Pure ships' power. A simple rating for how good the species ships are in general, at least from what you've seen (doesn't include any mods).
2. General power. A combo of technology, ship power (I don't know what the difference is to tell the truth), total naval size/power, and territory. Since only three races' territory are actually shown on the map, you'll basically have to guess as to other species' war readiness and territory.

Ish = Ishiman
Can=Cantharan
Gai=Gaitori
UNS=Human
Baz=Bazidanese
Ob = Obish
Ele=Elejeetian
Sal=Salrilian
Aud=Audemedon

Here's my ratings:

1. Aud, Ele, Sal, Baz, Ob, Ish, Can, UNS, Gai
2. Can, Ish, Gai, Sal, Aud, Ob, Ele, UNS, Baz

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That is what "species advantage number" is for

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If our military is so much better than theirs, then why don't we ever use it?

Yeah, I agree with Slug. However, there is one thing I disagree with. The Obish have a very low Race Rating, but their Cruisers rock! I once took out a Cantharan carrier in one (while being swarmed by the Carrier's escorts).

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you can't use an obish cruiser to kill a sal carrier can you? that may be one good ship but all the others suck, actually, the cruiser is the only obish ship

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Keep in mind that those were ESCORT cruisers. No other race has them, so we don't know how powerful they should be. And we have battleships to compare, and the bazidaneze battleship is a lot better than an obish battleship. I think that rating was fine.

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Originally posted by Archdemon:
**you can't use an obish cruiser to kill a sal carrier can you?
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No, you can't. They never appear in the same level together.

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Originally posted by Archdemon:
..that may be one good ship but all the others suck, actually, the cruiser is the only obish ship

Nope. There is the Obish Battleship in "Make Way" (I think).

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Originally posted by Mag Steelglass:
**Keep in mind that those were ESCORT cruisers. No other race has them, so we don't know how powerful they should be.
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What about in Level 2 when I talked about "two Obish cruisers" who were exactly the same as those cruisers in the "Assassin"?

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Originally posted by Mag Steelglass:
And we have battleships to compare, and the bazidaneze battleship is a lot better than an obish battleship. I think that rating was fine.

I disagree. I like the Obish Cruiser actually a bit better than the Bazidanese battleship. However, they both appear against different races (although the Bazidanese one does fight the Cantharans).

The Obish battleship is better against the Cantharans who have slower, heavier dutey vessels.

The Bazidanese battleship is better against the fast Salrilians because of its homing pulses. They work real good against Sal ships in cloak.

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Originally posted by Captain Carnotaur:
**The Obish battleship is better against the Cantharans who have slower, heavier dutey vessels.

The Bazidanese battleship is better against the fast Salrilians because of its homing pulses. They work real good against Sal ships in cloak.

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I agree, although I think that I would like the Bazidanese Battleship to the Obish one no matter what. It's my favorite ship to fly, other than the Audemedon Gunship.

My reason for posting this was a (very) small argument with htjyang about the position of the Obish in his Ares Guide.... I probably shouldn't have spammed all three boards though. :redface: But if you'll excuse me, I'm gonna go check up on the other two places now...

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Originally posted by Captain Carnotaur:
**What about in Level 2 when I talked about "two Obish cruisers" who were exactly the same as those cruisers in the "Assassin"?
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Thoses were escort cruisers, as well.

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Originally posted by Captain Carnotaur:
**I disagree. I like the Obish Cruiser actually a bit better than the Bazidanese battleship. However, they both appear against different races (although the Bazidanese one does fight the Cantharans).

The Obish battleship is better against the Cantharans who have slower, heavier dutey vessels.

The Bazidanese battleship is better against the fast Salrilians because of its homing pulses. They work real good against Sal ships in cloak.
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By that same reasoning, I think the Ishiman heavy cruiser is better than the Ishiman carrier.

The bazidaneze battleship is better against the cantharans. The pulses do a lot more damage than the obish battleship's pulses, and they have more range and tracking.

I agree that the bazidaneze battleship is better than the salrillians, although I think it's because it's a better ship all around.

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Originally posted by Mag Steelglass:
Keep in mind that those were ESCORT cruisers. No other race has them, so we don't know how powerful they should be.

The Ishiman have escort cruisers, but you don't see them in the game. Not that it's important but I think I should point that out.

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And we have battleships to compare, and the bazidaneze battleship is a lot better than an obish battleship. I think that rating was fine.

Well, the obish Battleship in Make Way was only partially completed. The Ishiman had to complete it's construction, and those were Ishiman weapons on it.

That battleship was a remnant of the last Gaitori/Obiard war, a war which we know Obain was losing. Badly. So by logic, I have deducted that Obish Battleships suck!

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If our military is so much better than theirs, then why don't we ever use it?

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Originally posted by Mag Steelglass
Thoses were escort cruisers, as well.

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Originally posted by Captain Carnotaur:
****But it didn't refer to them as escort cruisers in the breifing. And how do you know that the Obish just call them escort cruisers? And besides, the Salrilian cruiser is similiar to it, and they don't call it an escort cruiser. It has a cloak, laser, and pulse, just like the Obish cruiser.

Try selecting one, they're escort cruisers. They're also identical to all the other times you see the escort cruisers, which is a big hint.

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Originally posted by Captain Carnotaur:
**I also disagree with Slug on how he said that the Obish Battleship had Ishima weapons on it. What about the Obish Cruiser? It has protopulses, and I would hardly think that Concussion missiles are a big Ishiman secret. In my opinion, the Obish were winning the war. In the breifing for Make Way, it told about the Obish's breif occupation of the Fansi system (was that the system name?) during the end of the war. In my opinion, this is a sign that the Obish were on the offensive, beating back the Gatori, and in doing so capturing the Fansi system. Of course, this is just my opinion too.
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What I think Slug meant was that the battleship would normally have a different set of weapons than it did, but the Ishiman didn't have that set of weapons, so they just gave it the same weapons as their carriers.

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Originally posted by Captain Carnotaur:
(b)P.S. Really, Slug? The Ishima have escort cruisers too? Well then, what is the PICT for it called? I'd like to see what it looks like.

Obain only won the Gaitor/Obain war through the extensive use of borrowed technology. The cloaks are Salrilian and the Weapons (except the repulsor) are Ishiman.

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If our military is so much better than theirs, then why don't we ever use it?

Oh yeah, I forgot about that.

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Originally posted by Mag Steelglass:
**Try selecting one, they're escort cruisers.

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Yes, when you select an Obish Escort Cruiser, it says "Escort." As for the Bazidanese Battleship: has a fight between it and the Salrilian Carrier been tried? Slug? My prediction is that the Battleship would win if they start at a distance from each other (R-Plasma have a long range) but if they start close the Carrier would win because the T-Space Bolt Rod would tear the Battleship to bits.

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Originally posted by Joolzman5:
Yes, when you select an Obish Escort Cruiser, it says "Escort."

Despite the fact that it's class number designates it as a cruiser?

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**As for the Bazidanese Battleship: has a fight between it and the Salrilian Carrier been tried? Slug? My prediction is that the Battleship would win if they start at a distance from each other (R-Plasma have a long range) but if they start close the Carrier would win because the T-Space Bolt Rod would tear the Battleship to bits.
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Bazidanese Battleship won, but face it: The Bazidanese only ever built one. The Salrilians, however, have dozens of carriers.

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Originally posted by Slug:
**Despite the fact that it's class number designates it as a cruiser?
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That is what I have been trying to say. Although it may be Called an escort cruiser, it really is just a normal cruiser. One reason why the Obish called it this is because they specifically designed the Obish cruiser for escort dutey.

And now we get back to the argument starter: I think that the Obish are underrated in their race rating.

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Why? The only combat vessel we've seen from them was the escort, and we saw only two at a time, meaning they don't have more than a dozen of those total.

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Originally posted by Slug:
**Bazidanese Battleship won, but face it: The Bazidanese only ever built one. The Salrilians, however, have dozens of carriers.

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Very true; I certainly agree; I put the Bazidanese last in total power if you look back at the top.

As for the Escorts: yes, they're cruisers, but they're called Escorts. However yes they are still in the "Cruiser" class.

Captain Carnotaur: There's already an argument about this in Officer's Club. I agree with Slug about Gaitori's total power on the basis that the Gaitori seem to have a huge advantage in numbers/mass production ability. However Obish ships are definitely superior.

However, I think that the Obish have plenty of Escorts. The Escorts seem to be their main fighting ship, as it is basically a cruiser as I just said. Though we only see at most two at a time of them, the Obish may simply be distrustful (is that a word?) and unwilling to loan many of their ships out. Who knows...

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We only ever see two sal carriers at a time, they must only have a dozen of them...

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