Two of my friends and I can not seem to play pop-pop with OS 10.3. Two of us have Powerbooks and one has a desktop DP450. The game goes to launch and then crashes. Yes, we've trashed the preferences and then reinstalled and the same thing happens. (Once in a while, the game will boot, then crash when you begin to play.) Has anyone else had this problem?
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It seems that there have been quite a number of compatibility issues between OSX.3 and existing software, not just Ambrosia titles. Check the (url="http://"http://www.ambrosiasw.com/cgi-bin/ubb/forumdisplay.cgi?action=topics&forum;=Help+on+the+way&number;=2&DaysPrune;=20&LastLogin;=")Help on the way(/url) board for more information. It looks like the Ambrosia folks are busy bug fixing incompatibilities left, right and centre. I'd say it's more likely an Apple issue that anything else...poor legacy control.
(edit: just one more reason for me not to change OSes for the sake of it.) 
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Hi. I'm Dingo. Can I have your baby?
(This message has been edited by Dingo (edited 10-31-2003).)
Been looking at the recent flurry of posts on the beta mailing list, and thought I'd load up pop-pop beta again for the first time in an age. Couldn't see anyone on the tracker - still can't now. Anyway, thought I'd say (running 10.3 release here) that I've noticed a few anomolies with pop-pop 1.0.3fc6 and 10.3. Nothing too serious though other than it very frequently unexpectedly quits when blue-fading after I tell it to quit. I run the game windowed the whole time, running on a PBG4 12". My system's a little customised, being a developer (database backends, old developer previews, self-bootstrapped gcc's etc) but I doubt that makes much difference.
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Another little issue with it in 10.3 is that on quitting, if I have safari open as the next app, Safari sometimes does not redraw behind pop-pop's window (either the interface bits or the content). I have to quit and relaunch safari to get it to redraw, though I can get buttons to redraw by clicking on them.
My guess is this is an Apple 10.3 issue, but might be worth investigating?
Saw squibix online on the beta tracker last night - but away sadly, so couldn't test. Also found a winbeta player too. Restored my confidence that I'm not quite as bad after my age off playing as I was being made to believe a day ago!
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I have 10.3 (I recently upgraded straight from 9.2) and I although I don't have that particular problem with pop-pop, it still doesn't run properly. It seems to launch as it is supposed to, but when I click to start a versus game an error message tells me that I don't have two mice connected, even though I do. When I click OK, I am returned to the mode select screen again. If I try to start verses mode again, the problem is just the same. I don't know if the one player mode works normally or not, and I tried turning on 'Legacy Mode' but then the verses button just disappears.
Pop-pop doesn't work for me under 10.3, either. It crashes immediately upon loading. I have to force quit to get back to the Finder.
I'm using a wireless Kennsington mouse, could that have something to do with it? I've noticed that when I unplug the mouse and reboot, I can sometimes get into playing the game. However, it still crashes 95% of the time after that. With the mouse plugged in, instant crash.
When is 1.0.3 coming out? Seems like it's taking Ambrosia a long time to get Panther-compatible. I just registered pop-pop four months ago -- it's been unplayable for longer than I've had it! <sigh>
Cheers,
RW
Here is my crash log for pop-pop and 10.3. Note that I was using a generic USB mouse (not wireless) when this crash occurred. My wireless Kensington mouse usually crashes pop-pop on startup. However, the wired mouse crashed after quitting in the middle of a "Versus" game.
Here it is:
Host: TELETRAN-2.local
Date/Time: 2003-12-11 11:00:43 -0600
OS Version: 10.3.1 (Build 7C107)
Command: pop-pop (/Applications/Games/pop-pop 1.0.2/pop-pop)
PID: 431
Thread: 0
Exception: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (0x0001)
Codes: KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE (0x0002) at 0x00000000
Thread 0 Crashed:
#0 0x00000000 in 0x0
#1 0x901c1b68 in getXMLKeysAndValues (getXMLKeysAndValues + 108)
#2 0x901b141c in computeDictRep (computeDictRep + 212)
#3 0x901b11c8 in _CFApplicationPreferencesCreateValueForKey (_CFApplicationPreferencesCreateValueForKey + 84)
#4 0x901b8390 in CFPreferencesCopyAppValue (CFPreferencesCopyAppValue + 48)
#5 0x92828d30 in _Z18GetUserCommandKeysPPK14__CFDictionary (_Z18GetUserCommandKeysPPK14__CFDictionary + 264)
#6 0x928378a4 in _Z21UpdateMenuCommandKeysP8MenuDatah (_Z21UpdateMenuCommandKeysP8MenuDatah + 48)
#7 0x92801340 in _Z12PopulateMenuP8MenuDataP20OpaqueEventTargetRefP13CheckMenuDatamd (_Z12PopulateMenuP8MenuDataP20OpaqueEventTargetRefP13CheckMenuDatamd + 248)
#8 0x92803484 in _Z21Check1MenuForKeyEventP8MenuDataP13CheckMenuData (_Z21Check1MenuForKeyEventP8MenuDataP13CheckMenuData + 104)
#9 0x9280c7e4 in _Z21CheckMenusForKeyEventP8MenuDataP13CheckMenuData (_Z21CheckMenusForKeyEventP8MenuDataP13CheckMenuData + 380)
#10 0x928188ac in _Z15_IsMenuKeyEventP8MenuDataP14OpaqueEventRefmPS0_Pt (_Z15_IsMenuKeyEventP8MenuDataP14OpaqueEventRefmPS0_Pt + 552)
#11 0x92828ac8 in IsMenuKeyEvent (IsMenuKeyEvent + 140)
#12 0x928781e8 in _Z19HandleKeyboardEventP14OpaqueEventRefh (_Z19HandleKeyboardEventP14OpaqueEventRefh + 168)
#13 0x927d1f94 in DispatchEventToHandlers (DispatchEventToHandlers + 336)
#14 0x927d2208 in SendEventToEventTargetInternal (SendEventToEventTargetInternal + 372)
#15 0x927d6600 in SendEventToEventTargetWithOptions (SendEventToEventTargetWithOptions + 40)
#16 0x9280afcc in _Z19HandleKeyboardEventP14OpaqueEventRefm (_Z19HandleKeyboardEventP14OpaqueEventRefm + 320)
#17 0x927e2be4 in _Z29ToolboxEventDispatcherHandlerP25OpaqueEventHandlerCallRefP14OpaqueEventRefPv (_Z29ToolboxEventDispatcherHandlerP25OpaqueEventHandlerCallRefP14OpaqueEventRefPv + 504)
#18 0x927d2050 in DispatchEventToHandlers (DispatchEventToHandlers + 524)
#19 0x927d2208 in SendEventToEventTargetInternal (SendEventToEventTargetInternal + 372)
#20 0x927e4634 in SendEventToEventTarget (SendEventToEventTarget + 40)
#21 0x927e8560 in ToolboxEventDispatcher (ToolboxEventDispatcher + 92)
#22 0x92805814 in HLTBEventDispatcher (HLTBEventDispatcher + 16)
#23 0x927fb6b0 in RunApplicationEventLoop (RunApplicationEventLoop + 152)
#24 0x005b8b70 in 0x5b8b70
#25 0x005b81b0 in 0x5b81b0
#26 0x0054dd54 in 0x54dd54
#27 0x0054b34c in 0x54b34c
Thread 1:
#0 0x900075c8 in mach_msg_trap (mach_msg_trap + 
#1 0x90007118 in mach_msg (mach_msg + 56)
#2 0xc000a954 in __ape_internal (__ape_internal + 37048)
#3 0xc0001328 in __ape_agent (__ape_agent + 64)
#4 0x900247e8 in _pthread_body (_pthread_body + 40)
Thread 2:
#0 0x900075c8 in mach_msg_trap (mach_msg_trap +
#1 0x90007118 in mach_msg (mach_msg + 56)
#2 0x90191930 in __CFRunLoopRun (__CFRunLoopRun + 848)
#3 0x901960bc in CFRunLoopRunSpecific (CFRunLoopRunSpecific + 328)
#4 0x9073315c in _ZN10HALRunLoop9OwnThreadEPv (_ZN10HALRunLoop9OwnThreadEPv + 260)
#5 0x907393ac in ZN9CAPThread5EntryEPS (ZN9CAPThread5EntryEPS + 48)
#6 0x900247e8 in _pthread_body (_pthread_body + 40)
Thread 3:
#0 0x90018ce8 in semaphore_timedwait_signal_trap (semaphore_timedwait_signal_trap +
#1 0x9000e888 in _pthread_cond_wait (_pthread_cond_wait + 616)
#2 0x90724764 in _ZN7CAGuard7WaitForEy (_ZN7CAGuard7WaitForEy + 220)
#3 0x90724398 in _ZN7CAGuard9WaitUntilEy (_ZN7CAGuard9WaitUntilEy + 304)
#4 0x90722d88 in _ZN10HPIOThread8WorkLoopEv (_ZN10HPIOThread8WorkLoopEv + 856)
#5 0x90739368 in ZN10HPIOThread11ThreadEntryEPS (ZN10HPIOThread11ThreadEntryEPS + 28)
#6 0x907393ac in ZN9CAPThread5EntryEPS (ZN9CAPThread5EntryEPS + 48)
#7 0x900247e8 in _pthread_body (_pthread_body + 40)
Thread 4:
#0 0x9001a5ac in syscall (syscall + 12)
#1 0x9061f3fc in BSD_waitevent (BSD_waitevent + 44)
#2 0x9061bdf0 in CarbonSelectThreadFunc (CarbonSelectThreadFunc + 176)
#3 0x900247e8 in _pthread_body (_pthread_body + 40)
Thread 5:
#0 0x90017048 in semaphore_wait_signal_trap (semaphore_wait_signal_trap +
#1 0x9000e890 in _pthread_cond_wait (_pthread_cond_wait + 624)
#2 0x90626630 in CarbonOperationThreadFunc (CarbonOperationThreadFunc + 80)
#3 0x900247e8 in _pthread_body (_pthread_body + 40)
Thread 6:
#0 0x90017048 in semaphore_wait_signal_trap (semaphore_wait_signal_trap +
#1 0x9000e890 in _pthread_cond_wait (_pthread_cond_wait + 624)
#2 0x90632470 in CarbonInetOperThreadFunc (CarbonInetOperThreadFunc + 80)
#3 0x900247e8 in _pthread_body (_pthread_body + 40)
PPC Thread State:
srr0: 0x00000000 srr1: 0x4000f030 vrsave: 0x00000000
cr: 0x24822422 xer: 0x20000002 lr: 0x901aad48 ctr: 0x00000000
r0: 0x00000000 r1: 0xbfffedf0 r2: 0xa01901ec r3: 0x9022d704
r4: 0x00000000 r5: 0x00303260 r6: 0xbffff000 r7: 0xbffff004
r8: 0xa0190dcc r9: 0x0000000c r10: 0x00000000 r11: 0xa0191f68
r12: 0x00000000 r13: 0x00000000 r14: 0x00000000 r15: 0x00000000
r16: 0x00000000 r17: 0x00000000 r18: 0x00000000 r19: 0x00000000
r20: 0x00000002 r21: 0x00000000 r22: 0xbfffef00 r23: 0x00302d70
r24: 0xa0191b04 r25: 0x00303270 r26: 0xbffff004 r27: 0xa0190140
r28: 0x00000000 r29: 0x0034b870 r30: 0xa01975c8 r31: 0x901aaccc
Host: TELETRAN-2.local
Date/Time: 2003-12-11 11:02:05 -0600
OS Version: 10.3.1 (Build 7C107)
Command: pop-pop (/Applications/Games/pop-pop 1.0.2/pop-pop)
PID: 436
Thread: 0
Exception: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (0x0001)
Codes: KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE (0x0002) at 0x00000000
Thread 0 Crashed:
#0 0x00000000 in 0x0
#1 0x901c1b68 in getXMLKeysAndValues (getXMLKeysAndValues + 108)
#2 0x901b141c in computeDictRep (computeDictRep + 212)
#3 0x901b11c8 in _CFApplicationPreferencesCreateValueForKey (_CFApplicationPreferencesCreateValueForKey + 84)
#4 0x901b8390 in CFPreferencesCopyAppValue (CFPreferencesCopyAppValue + 48)
#5 0x92828d30 in _Z18GetUserCommandKeysPPK14__CFDictionary (_Z18GetUserCommandKeysPPK14__CFDictionary + 264)
#6 0x928378a4 in _Z21UpdateMenuCommandKeysP8MenuDatah (_Z21UpdateMenuCommandKeysP8MenuDatah + 48)
#7 0x9283aa38 in _Z21_CalcMenuSizeOnDeviceP8MenuDatatPP7GDevicePK4Recth (_Z21_CalcMenuSizeOnDeviceP8MenuDatatPP7GDevicePK4Recth + 152)
#8 0x928406cc in _Z16GetMenuFrameRectP14MenuSelectDataP8MenuDatah5PointtP4RectP7CGPoint (_Z16GetMenuFrameRectP14MenuSelectDataP8MenuDatah5PointtP4RectP7CGPoint + 204)
#9 0x9283dc28 in _Z18GetCurrentMenuRectP14MenuSelectDataP7CGPoint (_Z18GetCurrentMenuRectP14MenuSelectDataP7CGPoint + 108)
#10 0x9284bafc in _Z11DrawTheMenuP14MenuSelectDataPP9__CFArrayPh (_Z11DrawTheMenuP14MenuSelectDataPP9__CFArrayPh + 412)
#11 0x928a9118 in _Z11MenuChangedP14MenuSelectData (_Z11MenuChangedP14MenuSelectData + 268)
#12 0x928180bc in _Z15TrackMenuCommonR14MenuSelectDataPh (_Z15TrackMenuCommonR14MenuSelectDataPh + 540)
#13 0x9285d578 in _Z14MenuSelectCore5PointdmPP13OpaqueMenuRefPt (_Z14MenuSelectCore5PointdmPP13OpaqueMenuRefPt + 176)
#14 0x92883974 in MenuSelect (MenuSelect + 96)
#15 0x929132b4 in _Z16HandleMouseEventP14OpaqueEventRef (_Z16HandleMouseEventP14OpaqueEventRef + 84)
#16 0x928ccae4 in _Z27StandardMenuBarEventHandlerP25OpaqueEventHandlerCallRefP14OpaqueEventRefPv (_Z27StandardMenuBarEventHandlerP25OpaqueEventHandlerCallRefP14OpaqueEventRefPv + 56)
#17 0x927d1f94 in DispatchEventToHandlers (DispatchEventToHandlers + 336)
#18 0x927d2208 in SendEventToEventTargetInternal (SendEventToEventTargetInternal + 372)
#19 0x927e4634 in SendEventToEventTarget (SendEventToEventTarget + 40)
#20 0x927e8718 in _Z16HandleMouseEventP14OpaqueEventRef (_Z16HandleMouseEventP14OpaqueEventRef + 388)
#21 0x927e2bd4 in _Z29ToolboxEventDispatcherHandlerP25OpaqueEventHandlerCallRefP14OpaqueEventRefPv (_Z29ToolboxEventDispatcherHandlerP25OpaqueEventHandlerCallRefP14OpaqueEventRefPv + 488)
#22 0x927d2050 in DispatchEventToHandlers (DispatchEventToHandlers + 524)
#23 0x927d2208 in SendEventToEventTargetInternal (SendEventToEventTargetInternal + 372)
#24 0x927e4634 in SendEventToEventTarget (SendEventToEventTarget + 40)
#25 0x927e8560 in ToolboxEventDispatcher (ToolboxEventDispatcher + 92)
#26 0x92805814 in HLTBEventDispatcher (HLTBEventDispatcher + 16)
#27 0x927fb6b0 in RunApplicationEventLoop (RunApplicationEventLoop + 152)
#28 0x005b8b70 in 0x5b8b70
#29 0x005b81b0 in 0x5b81b0
#30 0x0054dd54 in 0x54dd54
#31 0x0054b34c in 0x54b34c
Thread 1:
#0 0x900075c8 in mach_msg_trap (mach_msg_trap +
#1 0x90007118 in mach_msg (mach_msg + 56)
#2 0xc000a954 in __ape_internal (__ape_internal + 37048)
#3 0xc0001328 in __ape_agent (__ape_agent + 64)
#4 0x900247e8 in _pthread_body (_pthread_body + 40)
Thread 2:
#0 0x900075c8 in mach_msg_trap (mach_msg_trap +
#1 0x90007118 in mach_msg (mach_msg + 56)
#2 0x90191930 in __CFRunLoopRun (__CFRunLoopRun + 848)
#3 0x901960bc in CFRunLoopRunSpecific (CFRunLoopRunSpecific + 328)
#4 0x9073315c in _ZN10HALRunLoop9OwnThreadEPv (_ZN10HALRunLoop9OwnThreadEPv + 260)
#5 0x907393ac in ZN9CAPThread5EntryEPS (ZN9CAPThread5EntryEPS + 48)
#6 0x900247e8 in _pthread_body (_pthread_body + 40)
Thread 3:
#0 0x90018ce8 in semaphore_timedwait_signal_trap (semaphore_timedwait_signal_trap +
#1 0x9000e888 in _pthread_cond_wait (_pthread_cond_wait + 616)
#2 0x90724764 in _ZN7CAGuard7WaitForEy (_ZN7CAGuard7WaitForEy + 220)
#3 0x90724398 in _ZN7CAGuard9WaitUntilEy (_ZN7CAGuard9WaitUntilEy + 304)
#4 0x90722d88 in _ZN10HPIOThread8WorkLoopEv (_ZN10HPIOThread8WorkLoopEv + 856)
#5 0x90739368 in ZN10HPIOThread11ThreadEntryEPS (ZN10HPIOThread11ThreadEntryEPS + 28)
#6 0x907393ac in ZN9CAPThread5EntryEPS (ZN9CAPThread5EntryEPS + 48)
#7 0x900247e8 in _pthread_body (_pthread_body + 40)
Thread 4:
#0 0x9001a5ac in syscall (syscall + 12)
#1 0x9061f3fc in BSD_waitevent (BSD_waitevent + 44)
#2 0x9061bdf0 in CarbonSelectThreadFunc (CarbonSelectThreadFunc + 176)
#3 0x900247e8 in _pthread_body (_pthread_body + 40)
Thread 5:
#0 0x90017048 in semaphore_wait_signal_trap (semaphore_wait_signal_trap +
#1 0x9000e890 in _pthread_cond_wait (_pthread_cond_wait + 624)
#2 0x90626630 in CarbonOperationThreadFunc (CarbonOperationThreadFunc + 80)
#3 0x900247e8 in _pthread_body (_pthread_body + 40)
Thread 6:
#0 0x90017048 in semaphore_wait_signal_trap (semaphore_wait_signal_trap +
#1 0x9000e890 in _pthread_cond_wait (_pthread_cond_wait + 624)
#2 0x90632470 in CarbonInetOperThreadFunc (CarbonInetOperThreadFunc + 80)
#3 0x900247e8 in _pthread_body (_pthread_body + 40)
PPC Thread State:
srr0: 0x00000000 srr1: 0x4000f030 vrsave: 0x00000000
cr: 0x24824422 xer: 0x20000002 lr: 0x901aad48 ctr: 0x00000000
r0: 0x00000000 r1: 0xbfffeb10 r2: 0xa01901ec r3: 0x9022d704
r4: 0x00000000 r5: 0x00303260 r6: 0xbfffed20 r7: 0xbfffed24
r8: 0xa0190dcc r9: 0x0000000c r10: 0x00000000 r11: 0xa0191f68
r12: 0x00000000 r13: 0x00000000 r14: 0x00000000 r15: 0x00000000
r16: 0x00000000 r17: 0x00000000 r18: 0x00000000 r19: 0x00000000
r20: 0x00000002 r21: 0x00000000 r22: 0xbfffec20 r23: 0x00302d70
r24: 0xa0191b04 r25: 0x00303270 r26: 0xbfffed24 r27: 0xa0190140
r28: 0x00000000 r29: 0x0034b850 r30: 0xa01975c8 r31: 0x901aaccc
Yes Pop-Pop crashes here also... On MDD DP1.25Ghz (Sep 2002). Also on G4 Powerbook 1Ghz(17in). And on iMac G4 (1.25Ghz) 17 Inch. All run 10.3 and all have 512 Meg or more of ram. Mom often will not tell me when something crashes as she feels she is at fualt. So it has taken her this long to report this. :frown: Is there any cure? 10.2 is soooo Um u know!
~Dave
Yeah, 1.0.3 is on the way.
The beta builds seem to be pretty stable. It's still got some cosmetic issues, but it hasn't crashed on me since fc6.
Since I'm not a spokesperson for Ambrosia, I can't give an estimated release date, but rest assured, it's getting close.
-nemo
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