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Originally posted by Frisco:
**EXCUSE ME?!

Your best plan of action would be to edit such an arrogant, false, bull-headed comment out of that post. If I were a moderator/administrator you'd have just received another slap.

It's that kind of jackass-attitude that pisses people off.

anklebiter has no reason to pay me for anything, in fact I have never even spoken directly to him. The truth of the matter is, he has tried to let things go, and if EVERYONE did that then maybe we could all discuss our opinions on tournaments, which is what the majority of the community seems to want in the end...

Heck, if I had the power, I'd start up a new thread, listen to what people had to say about these tournaments/get-togethers, and remove anything other than the focus of the discussion, but alas, I'm no moderator, and beyond that, I don't have the time to facilitate pop-pop tournaments.

Maybe you people are simply hopeless. Sorry for trying, I promise not to make this mistake twice.

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Frisco, you must understand his mentality. He thinks that if you don't like anything that comes from his "mind of prophecy" and act upon it immediately, then you must be totally wrong. I have been trying to deal with this for quite a while, and I realized you just can't reason with some people.

And now that they have seen I won't kiss their butt, they are going out to destroy the pop-pop tournaments, by creating their own so they can do it "their own way." Again, it is sad that this is what they want, is to make something crumble.

Well guys, you have already chased off a lot of other players, I hope you are really happy with yourselves. As for your threats of not coming to the boards here any more, based upon your destructive behavior, I really don't care unless you will change your ways.

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To prove one of my points, they complained that having too many tournaments would be bad, and now what did they do? They start hosting their own, knowing that I host a minimal of 1 a week, when they said themselves that too many tournaments isn't a good thing.

I am dead serious, you guys have destroyed a lot already, and it is going to stop. NOW.

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Originally posted by frisco:
**Heck, if I had the power, I'd start up a new thread, listen to what people had to say about these tournaments/get-togethers
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why don´t you - every member can start threads (and many tried to start threads on this subject.

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Originally posted by anklebiter:
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And now that they have seen I won't kiss their butt, they are going out to destroy the pop-pop tournaments, by creating their own so they can do it "their own way." Again, it is sad that this is what they want, is to make something crumble.

Well guys, you have already chased off a lot of other players, I hope you are really happy with yourselves. As for your threats of not coming to the boards here any more, based upon your destructive behavior, I really don't care unless you will change your ways.
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dear anklebiter. please try to read this without thinking of me as your enemy. please tell me, where did i do something destructive? you know perfectly well, that everything i wrote was about pop-pop and to save the fun we had with it. i never took part in any boycott and never tried to destroy anything.
again, sorry for repeating myself, we were asked to post our ideas about tournament rules, and we did. as far as i know you ignored every one of them, because i think NONE of your rules were changed. NONE!
everything i asked for, and that was absolutely not to offend you, was a second round - which isn´t even in my favor, because it would make it harder for me to win. if i insulted you with this wish, i am really sorry. i didn´t mean to.
the second thing i asked for was to use hykos site. NOT because it is HIS and not yours, but because it was the first to be finished and ready to use (i even said that we could of course change to yours as soon as its finished) and because i wanted to protect you (or any other host), the players and the tournament from discussions like the one after that tournament, -the one that started all this.
i can slightly understand your personal reasons for not wanting to use hykos (or anybody elses)site. but those are reasons that have nothing to do with pop-pop - and pop-pop should be what it´s all about. but ok, you don´t want to use his site, i guess we will have to accept that.
but i would really like to know, why didn´t you agree to a second round? please tell me just one good reason, and i will, i promise, never ask for a second round again. and why did you say we would have one, and then change your mind?
my last question is, who are the players "we" chased off? the only players i can see that have been chased of, are those you are accusing. i have spend much to much time playing pop-pop, and i think i have quite an idea of how many players there were, and who played most frequently. the less frequent players probably don´t even follow the war that is going on here.

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Originally posted by anklebiter:
**To prove one of my points, they complained that having too many tournaments would be bad, and now what did they do? They start hosting their own, knowing that I host a minimal of 1 a week, when they said themselves that too many tournaments isn't a good thing.
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crono didn´t offer to host to offend you. crono didn´t offer to host to have ONE MORE tournament. you know that. he probably was still thinking of these tournaments to be "our" tournaments. not EITHER yours or somebody elses.
"they" and i guess this description of all evil includes me, said that less tournaments would make YOUR tournaments more special and desirable. again - no offence.
do we really have to chose between your tournaments and the ones where our ideas of better rules are accepted? wouldn´t you like these two possibilities to be put in one? have your tournaments with ALL of our ideas (including yours) on rules?

i know it is quite naive to ask this now again, but, everyone, including anklebiter, lish, shoes, ryoko, hyko (myself)....just everyone - can´t we just stop all this and play pop-pop again? please?

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P.S. i would like to apologize for getting a bit aggressive myself yesterday, but being threatened (and then punished) with karma-slaps just for mentioning something really upset me. i just felt that this is not the right way of dealing with things.

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It may be a new day, but I am still not going to debate this.

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then i have to apologize again: to everybody who told me that there was no sense in trying to bring this to a good end, or being nice, or trying to stop this "war", for not believing them. lol - i really thought i could show everybody that there is some common sense left here, and that by being nice and forgetting everything that has happend we could all be "friends" again - and i even thought YOU wanted that too...welcome to reality, lumisa.

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Originally posted by anklebiter:
**And now that they have seen I won't kiss their butt, they are going out to destroy the pop-pop tournaments, by creating their own so they can do it "their own way." Again, it is sad that this is what they want, is to make something crumble.

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I disagree with this assessment.

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Frisco, I apologise for my "Frisco, I hope ankle-biter paid you handsomely" remark, it was stupid.

But your opinions on recent events would perhaps be a lot different if you were more attune to what has been going on. The manner in which you strolled into this Pop-Pop discussion as if we were a bunch of louts and anklebiter was the just and fair moderator who had been unfairly judged, was annoying to say the least.

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But your opinions on recent events would perhaps be a lot different if you were more attune to what has been going on. The manner in which you strolled into this Pop-Pop discussion as if we were a bunch of louts and anklebiter was the just and fair moderator who had been unfairly judged, was annoying to say the least.

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(This message has been edited by anklebiter (edited 04-02-2003).)

Heh. Sorry if I offended you with my laughing, but the current "goings-on" in the pop-pop world make me laugh.
From what I can tell from the board (which I read occasionally, and am only reading now due to being asked to by Danny) the "ignorant masses" ( :p) are not very happy. But with such quotes as "I thought things like this wouldn't exist in free countries," you must be able to think that just a few people are being a teensy-weensy bit overdramatic.

Now don't get me wrong. Maybe anklebiter isn't listening to people's opinions. Do you always take into account everything everyone else says? Maybe he is deleting stuff that insults him. Would you delete stuff that offended you and personally insulted you in front of the world? I know I would.

But don't get me wrong, maybe I am getting the wrong end of the stick (having hardly played pop-pop) and anklebiter is the Nazi that he is portrayed as. But is he not allowed to ignore other people's suggestions?

And should it completely destroy an otherwise fun internet community? From what I can see, you've all stopped playing pop-pop (sort of :D) just because some guy who made some tournaments for you screwed up. Can't you just get on with it? It's only a game! You can play by whatever rules you want. If he's being a twat, ignore him and don't play in his tournaments (ok, he's not doing them but you get the picture) Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they're a repressive Nazi bastard now, does it?

N.B. I am worried about posting this, because I realise that I'm laying myself open to some pretty serious criticism. Sorry if I made some assumptions about the majority, I apologise in advance. I may have got completely the wrong end of the stick, or I may have cut open a just healed wound. If so, sorry and all you need to so is say something and I'll delete this post.

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Originally posted by Jamin!:
And should it completely destroy an otherwise fun internet community?

Don't worry, we're far from destroyed. In fact, speaking only for myself I've been playing rather more lately, and all this silliness has let me get to know some of the other players better. So there's plenty of silver lining and all that.

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Originally posted by Danny:
Don't worry, we're far from destroyed. In fact, speaking only for myself I've been playing rather more lately, and all this silliness has let me get to know some of the other players better. So there's plenty of silver lining and all that.

Danny = squibix who hasn't played a tournament for quite a while.

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Originally posted by Jamin!:
Heh. Sorry if I offended you with my laughing, but the current "goings-on" in the pop-pop world make me laugh.

Why do you answer then in a serious manner, if everything is just to laugh at?

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From what I can tell from the board (which I read occasionally, and am only reading now due to being asked to by Danny) the "ignorant masses" ( :p) are not very happy. But with such quotes as "I thought things like this wouldn't exist in free countries," you must be able to think that just a few people are being a teensy-weensy bit overdramatic.

Did you read a thread or better questioned: are You able to follow the whole thing, do you have the complete picture?
Although this type of communication is very virtual, there are some basic rules of behaviour that should even exist in this type of communication. And the people were REALLY upset, because it is REAL fun they had playing pop-pop in a community with many REALLY very kind people, who ALL have a real life and talk about REAL things... What I want to say: I can understand that it has become a little bit overdramatic for "both" parties. (And somehow I have the feeling you know it too. Or at least You know what is needed to help a little bit that it happens.)

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Maybe anklebiter isn't listening to people's opinions. Do you always take into account everything everyone else says? Maybe he is deleting stuff that insults him. Would you delete stuff that offended you and personally insulted you in front of the world? I know I would.

Only if I have a complete lag of arguements.

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But don't get me wrong, maybe I am getting the wrong end of the stick (having hardly played pop-pop) and anklebiter is the Nazi that he is portrayed as. But is he not allowed to ignore other people's suggestions?

Hope that the people who use the word "Nazi" have the slightest idea what it stands for... AFAIK, nobody except You said something like this about anklebiter.
He is allowed to ignore them and to argue against them but he is IMHO not allowed to use his power on the board to censor opinions that are against his personal opinion but not against the rules of the board.

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And should it completely destroy an otherwise fun internet community? From what I can see, you've all stopped playing pop-pop (sort of :D) just because some guy who made some tournaments for you screwed up. Can't you just get on with it? It's only a game! You can play by whatever rules you want. If he's being a twat, ignore him and don't play in his tournaments (ok, he's not doing them but you get the picture) Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they're a repressive Nazi bastard now, does it?

Nobody stopped playing AFAIK. But did you ever think about the importance of a central asynchronous communication channel for the existence of an internet-community? In this case, do you know how important this channel is to organise tournaments for more people than the known inner circle? Having such a board under control means to have full power over the community...

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N.B. I am worried about posting this, because I realise that I'm laying myself open to some pretty serious criticism. Sorry if I made some assumptions about the majority, I apologise in advance. I may have got completely the wrong end of the stick, or I may have cut open a just healed wound. If so, sorry and all you need to so is say something and I'll delete this post.

If you already prepared Your upfront apology, why do you post then in a serious manner? (And here the things start over again) Or do you think an upfront apology helps to accept your opinion <---

It is really a pity that we can't meet to have a real life beer all together somewhere, to bypass the disadvantages of this medium (and eventually existing language barriers, e.g. mine) and to solve this whole topic more efficiently... I think as well anklebiter as myself would have laughed at you for coming too late, after we all had the 3rd beer together

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Originally posted by anklebiter:
Danny = squibix who hasn't played a tournament for quite a while.

HA HA! I missed the last two, yes. anklebiter, I love you! You're so clever!

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Originally posted by Danny:
HA HA! I missed the last two, yes. anklebiter, I love you! You're so clever!

What's so clever about looking at an email address in someone's info and seeing it comes from @squibix.net? Then again, some may consider straight forward 2 click procedure so clever.

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Originally posted by Hyko:
and to solve this whole topic more efficiently... I think as well anklebiter as myself would have laughed at you for coming too late, after we all had the 3rd beer together;)

No, I would have not laughed at him (laugh with you..? (!) what a fool). And no, I would not drink beer with you.

anklebiter goes ahead and shakes Jamin's hand Glad to see there are still decent people that hang around these boards. You are always welcome here.

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(This message has been edited by anklebiter (edited 04-03-2003).)

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Originally posted by anklebiter:
What's so clever about looking at an email address in someone's info and seeing it comes from @squibix.net?

Nono, it's clever to use the fact to insinuate that I'm a disruptive presence, hinting that I'm boycotting tournaments or something. Which I understand is what you were doing; otherwise why'd you make that post? It's not like who I was was a big secret or anything! In fact, had I known that there were people who didn't know Danny and squibix were one and the same, I would have made it more obvious: whenever I think there might be some doubt I sign things - Danny (squibix). I like people to know who they're dealing with! There was never any distinction between the two names: squibix is just what I use when I need a moniker that's a little more unique.

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Originally posted by Danny:
Nono, it's clever to use the fact to insinuate that I'm a disruptive presence, hinting that I'm boycotting tournaments or something.

Takes a sip, hmm it taste like Diet Coke. Try again.

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Originally posted by anklebiter:
Takes a sip, hmm it taste like Diet Coke. Try again.

What the hell are you talking about?!

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Originally posted by Squibix:
What the hell are you talking about?!:D

HA HA HA! Its a conspiracy! Oh no, I am shaking in my boots!

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