By interpreted code I mean that it's not compiled down to machine language and it requires another program to 'run' it. Kind of like an old micro BASIC (C=64, anyone?). I think that Flash fits that category, HTML does, so does Java (But I think that Java is perhaps semi-compiled?) I've seen lots of stuff that looks pretty cool in PCworld but when it all comes down to it I can open it in a text editor and see understandable code, not a bunch of machine language.

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That's because compiled code is faster. While you may be able to see the actual code used in an interpreted environment, I've found most Mac users, nay most computer users don't really care about underlying code- they care about performance. Compiled code is more stable and much faster.

That isn't to say I don't like open source projects, of course.
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SpacePirate said:

**That's because compiled code is faster. While you may be able to see the actual code used in an interpreted environment, I've found most Mac users, nay most computer users don't really care about underlying code- they care about performance. Compiled code is more stable and much faster.

That isn't to say I don't like open source projects, of course.
~ SP

**

I prefer open source when I'm doing things for fun. It allows others to look at the code and criticize it (constructively, of course.) And after I'm done with it, it allows others to pick up where I left off. My only request is that changes be sent to me so I can add them to my copy.

Anyway, I just opened it the .exe in Notepad and noticed semi-legible code within five lines. After a couple blocks of giberrish (probably code for the form itself.) It looks like commands ( if-then statements, for loops, variable declarations, ect) are compiled, while object names, strings, and parentheses are not. I did notice that there is an encryption option that you can use, if you want your code secret.

(removing duplicate sig, fixing ubb)

This post has been edited by Artanis : 12 September 2004 - 12:36 AM

Download 68k

File open added.
I got some free time to work on it.

The "Find" button doesn't do anything yet, gotta go to work soon, be back later.

Please test open on something you have already (like the nova files or something) and post images.

It doesn't update automatically after open, so you'll need to r-click on the map.

Have fun.

This post has been edited by Artanis : 19 November 2004 - 11:04 PM

Hey, it's great to see this. It's certainly an idea I thought about putting in EVNEW, but I don't really have time any more to work on it. Here's a bunch of stuff I found that could be fixed, in no particular order:

• The tab order of the controls on the bottom is messed up

• Once you change the zoom level, you can't get it back to exactly 100% (it will go to either 99% or 101%)

• Because of the above, the coordinates then get displayed as something like (-0.0808080808080813, -0.424242424242424)

• The axes aren't drawn when it first loads up

• If you set a mouse click to center on click, it functions somewhat counter-intuitively: it moves the (0, 0) to where you click. In most applications, the point at the center of the screen is moved to where you click, not the origin. Because of this, you can't scroll the origin off the screen.

• When you save a file, it prints: "Created by:" "EVNEW Public Beta 1.0.2". You should print out that it was created by EVN Cartographer, not EVNEW.

• Why are you only allowing 1000 systems? The Nova engine supports up to 2048

• When opening a file you shouldn't break out when an empty line is encountered

• The tool tip for the map area is more annoying than it is helpful. Either reduce the time it will appear for to a few seconds or get rid of it entirely.

• The checkbox for turning system labels on and off should have a label or a tool tip; currently it has neither.

• The keyboard shortcut for exiting probably should not be Ctrl+X, since that is normally used for cutting. I recommend Alt+F4 for exitting, that's what almost every program uses.

• The titles of the file open and file save dialogs are "Open EVNew Text" and "Save EVNew Text" respectively. Please capitalize every letter of EVNEW.

• If you attempt to exit with unsaved changes, the message box that appears should have a Cancel option like every other application.

• If you exit immediately upon opening without creating or opening anything, it should not prompt you about saving unsaved changes, also like every other application

But so far, you've done a great job. Unfortunately, VB does not convert very easily into C++ (and vice-versa), especially for heavy Windows GUI code.

Oh yeah, and the latest version of EVNEW (Public Beta 1.0.3) has been out long enough that I may slash the "Public Beta" from its status and declare it a release. There has been only one bug reported since the last release, and that involved sounds, a feature used much less frequently by the average Nova developer, and there are a few features I threw in also.

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The tab order of the controls on the bottom is messed up

fixed (I went through and set the order before compiling. Don't know what happened)

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Once you change the zoom level, you can't get it back to exactly 100% (it will go to either 99% or 101%)

fixed (now using numeric scroller)

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Because of the above, the coordinates then get displayed as something like (-0.0808080808080813, -0.424242424242424)

Coordinate display has been locked to integers.

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The axes aren't drawn when it first loads up

fixed (it's hell when debugging some sections of the code though. The event triggers everytime you switch to the program, sometimes that runs it straight into a breakpoint, bumping focus back to the code view.)

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Originally posted by: Aprosenf
If you set a mouse click to center on click, it functions somewhat counter-intuitively: it moves the (0, 0) to where you click. In most applications, the point at the center of the screen is moved to where you click, not the origin. Because of this, you can't scroll the origin off the screen.

Didn't realize it was counter intuitive. That's changed (add/subtract swap), and consectutive centers go farther.

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When you save a file, it prints: "Created by:" "EVNEW Public Beta 1.0.2". You should print out that it was created by EVN Cartographer, not EVNEW.

fixed. Copy-paste error from a sample EVNEW text export.

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Why are you only allowing 1000 systems? The Nova engine supports up to 2048

I missed that somewhere. Max systems increased to 2048.

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When opening a file you shouldn't break out when an empty line is encountered

I know. I cant locate an end-of-file test to avoid crashing at the end of the file. I'm going to try a couple more things and then ask the professor tomorrow.

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The tool tip for the map area is more annoying than it is helpful. Either reduce the time it will appear for to a few seconds or get rid of it entirely.

Time shortened. Added ability to turn them off, as well.

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Originally posted by: Aprosenf
The checkbox for turning system labels on and off should have a label or a tool tip; currently it has neither.

fixed.

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Originally posted by: Aprosenf
The keyboard shortcut for exiting probably should not be Ctrl+X, since that is normally used for cutting. I recommend Alt+F4 for exitting, that's what almost every program uses.

changed.

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The titles of the file open and file save dialogs are "Open EVNew Text" and "Save EVNew Text" respectively. Please capitalize every letter of EVNEW.

fixed.

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If you attempt to exit with unsaved changes, the message box that appears should have a Cancel option like every other application.

fixed. Accidently left the message box out of a saved test.

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If you exit immediately upon opening without creating or opening anything, it should not prompt you about saving unsaved changes, also like every other application

That uses the same test as above.

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But so far, you've done a great job. Unfortunately, VB does not convert very easily into C++ (and vice-versa), especially for heavy Windows GUI code.

Yeah. I'd would have used C++ (and probably built it into EVNEW), except my knowledge of C++ covers the basics in DOS, and I can't make heads or tails of your code. I was surprized I found the copy-paste error in the shan source.

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Oh yeah, and the latest version of EVNEW (Public Beta 1.0.3) has been out long enough that I may slash the "Public Beta" from its status and declare it a release. There has been only one bug reported since the last release, and that involved sounds, a feature used much less frequently by the average Nova developer, and there are a few features I threw in also.

I was wondering about the state of the beta.
Are those features you speak of in 1.0.3, or did you just tweak your copy?

Quick Q on cicns: what exactly is EVNEW looking for when it says Palleted Bitmaps? I've tried multiple settings from both Paint and Photoshop, and the resource won't take them.

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Looking good, so far. I did encounter one problem with saving, it seemed to be adding 128 to the hyperlink systems in the text file. Maybe I'm just doing it wrong, I dunno.

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Yeah. I caught that yesterday. Haven't uploaded it.

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Quick Q on cicns: what exactly is EVNEW looking for when it says Palleted Bitmaps? I've tried multiple settings from both Paint and Photoshop, and the resource won't take them.(/B)

That means 8-bit (256 colors), 4-bit (16 colors), or monochrome (2 colors) bitmaps. In Paint, choose the bit depth in the Save As dialog.

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**That means 8-bit (256 colors), 4-bit (16 colors), or monochrome (2 colors) bitmaps. In Paint, choose the bit depth in the Save As dialog.

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It worked. I swear I tried those, though...

Off to class. I'm going to see if there is a graceful solution to the blank line problem, since the program no longer detects and stops the end of the file. It just crashes.

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I've found a problem I can't wrap my brain around.
After I got open working near perfectly, I converted Nova Data 2 to text and opened it.
No errors, thats a good thing, except the hyperlinks were drawn wierd.

It was a tangle in some places. You'll have to see for yourselves:(url="http://"http://evula.org/artanis/ImageGallery/EVNCartographer_NovaData2.jpg")Nova Data 2 test(/url) 224k
(edit: Found it. it was an indexing problem. Because Nova Data 2 skips some systems, hyperlinks would evaluate to the wrong system.)

Tasklist:

• Maximize Map Area: Done

• Zooming: Done

• Panning: Done

• Opening Files: Opens & saves without destroying any other resources in the file.

• Displaying Complex maps: Perfect.

• Undo/Redo: Undo is Semi-Functional. Redo is not there.

• Revert to Saved: Non-functional.

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Would it be possible to wait for input in say the "name" and "hyperlinks" fields and when the user presses enter or tab to confirm these numbers that the screen just refreshes , it now goes to black and you have to right-click to see it again. Also to see hyperlinks I have to select another system from the list to the right before it will show. This should all be automated I think.

Entarus,

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Keeps on gettin' better...

One more thing I've ran into: The move selected system doesn't seem to work properly when the view is not centered on (0,0).

Edit:Actually, this problem seems to happen even when the view is centered on (0,0).
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Entarus, you'll have to wait on the auto-update thing. Every time I've tried that, it wreaks havoc with placing systems (considering every new system goes to 0,0 instead of where you clicked.)
I couldn't replicate the blank screen thing more than once per execution, and I just got another idea for fixing it, so I'm gonna go try again.

I've added a hotkey and a button that take the data in the text boxes and updates the array with it, so you don't have to select another system.

Move has been fixed. Somehow missed it when I fixed all the other formulas for panning and zoom.

Also, the reason for a lack of recent updates: I've been trying to fix the blank screen bug, and class just learned about structures and arrays, and I learned that I can put functions in structures. So I've been moving everything I can into the structure (it's easier to read there.) Because of this, Move bypasses the text boxes and just edits the array and updates the map instantly. I had fun dragging (well, not really "drag" so much as consecutive moving) S7evyn around earlier.

And soon, less talk and more update.

(edit: speeling)

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Ok. Blank screen bug is still there. I've noticed it occures on the first TAB or two, and the first time you switch to a tab panel.
I can't find an event that triggers when you switch panels and intercepting the TAB key is difficult and stops focus changes, so I'm having trouble making the map refresh directly afterwards. However, after those first few times, it tabs and switches panels without that problem. Not sure why.

As I said earlier, Move is fixed, plus some.

And there are two new features:
You can save preferences (File->Save Preferences). Everything in the display tab can be saved to a simplistic text file that is loaded when you run the program, so you don't have to keep setting it back everytime.
Also, you can select the quality of the image. So on big maps, you don't have to be slowed by long draw times. This setting is also saved.

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I'm getting some errors on starting the program, and it won't allow me to continue.

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From the error details:
See the end of this message for details on invoking
just-in-time (JIT) debugging instead of this dialog box.

************** Exception Text **************
System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object.
at EVN_GUI_Map.frmMap.Load_Prefs()
at EVN_GUI_Map.frmMap.frmMap_Load(Object sender, EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.Form.OnLoad(EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.Form.OnCreateControl()
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.CreateControl(Boolean fIgnoreVisible)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.CreateControl()
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WmShowWindow(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.ScrollableControl.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.ContainerControl.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Form.WmShowWindow(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Form.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.ControlNativeWindow.OnMessage(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.ControlNativeWindow.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.NativeWindow.Callback(IntPtr hWnd, Int32 msg, IntPtr wparam, IntPtr lparam)

************** Loaded Assemblies **************
mscorlib
Assembly Version: 1.0.5000.0
Win32 Version: 1.1.4322.573
CodeBase: file:///c:/windows/microsoft.net/framework/v1.1.4322/mscorlib.dll
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EVN Cartographer
Assembly Version: 1.0.1679.1165
Win32 Version: 1.0.1679.1165
CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/DESKTOP/ESCAPE%20VELOCITY/EVN_CARTOGRAPHER/EVN%20CARTOGRAPHER.EXE
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System.Windows.Forms
Assembly Version: 1.0.5000.0
Win32 Version: 1.1.4322.573
CodeBase: file:///c:/windows/assembly/gac/system.windows.forms/1.0.5000.0__b77a5c561934e089/system.windows.forms.dll
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System
Assembly Version: 1.0.5000.0
Win32 Version: 1.1.4322.573
CodeBase: file:///c:/windows/assembly/gac/system/1.0.5000.0__b77a5c561934e089/system.dll
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System.Drawing
Assembly Version: 1.0.5000.0
Win32 Version: 1.1.4322.573
CodeBase: file:///c:/windows/assembly/gac/system.drawing/1.0.5000.0__b03f5f7f11d50a3a/system.drawing.dll
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Microsoft.VisualBasic
Assembly Version: 7.0.5000.0
Win32 Version: 7.10.3052.4
CodeBase: file:///c:/windows/assembly/gac/microsoft.visualbasic/7.0.5000.0__b03f5f7f11d50a3a/microsoft.visualbasic.dll
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************** JIT Debugging **************
To enable just in time (JIT) debugging, the config file for this
application or machine (machine.config) must have the
jitDebugging value set in the system.windows.forms section.
The application must also be compiled with debugging
enabled.

For example:

<configuration>
<system.windows.forms jitDebugging="true" />
</configuration>

When JIT debugging is enabled, any unhandled exception
will be sent to the JIT debugger registered on the machine
rather than being handled by this dialog.

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Yikes!

It doesn't do that on my machine...

I think what the means is that I'm trying to set the properties of objects don't exist yet.

I've shifted the auto-load of prefs.txt to a differnt place.

Ok: (url="http://"http://evula.org/artanis/Projects/EVN_Cartographer/EVN_Cartographer.zip")Download(/url) 57k

Since I'm not getting the error, could you try a couple things?
1st: unzip the exe and just run it.
2nd: If it errors again, unzip prefs.txt (it's just the defaults) and try again.

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That fixed it, no errors on my end. Thanks!

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**That fixed it, no errors on my end. Thanks!

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Great!

It's weird that it didin't happen on my machine, though.

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