Of course, we've already given you one method that will work. So maybe you shouldn't whine about it.

-reg

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"As a rule we believe as much as we can. We would believe everything if only we could."
~ William James

I'm not the one who suggested gravity. I'm also not among the ones who have continued this thread 20 something posts after answering my question. I reply when I see fit to, but to me, I lost all practical use when my question was answered about a week ago.

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When viewing a Terrapin for the first time, I realized that anything flies-if you throw it hard enough!