The Hyperdrive

thedecline

OK, it is impossible to travel at the speed of light, Einstien proved it. You can travel close to the spped of light, and I guess thats what the ships do when they are zooming around a system going from planet to planet.

Now to travel faster than the speed of light you could make a worm hole, like a hypergate, except you would need more energy than what is in the entire Solar System, and probable it's nieghbouring systems.

The Hyperdrive however, is the solution. Me and a friend came up with ths idea, it's based on the warp drive, and our own ideas. You stick something on the front of your ship which is able to bend space time (Star Trek) so you can pierce the space time continuim (muahahaha) and effectivly get pulled through space without any energy costs (except the initial poke) at all. You would need to travel in a reasonably straight line, and all off the courses would need to planned out, so you didn't end up crashing into a sun, a minute after entering hyperspace, but those are the difficulties.

Comments?

Scientific perspectives?

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Originally posted by thedecline:
Einstien proved it.

theory is theory, we are bound to update beyond our own limitations sooner or later, because basicly, we still know zilch.

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General Rak

From what I know, the only thing that bends space-time is matter, and you cannot create matter. Of course, I could be wrong, but still, your idea seems scientifically unsound. Why not have your hyperdrive create a wormhole? It could be a feasible energy source in the far future, and is (fairly) scientifically sound.

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What's time, can anyone define it? What makes you go foward in time and not back? Can you travel through time faster than the normal pace? What is time, a mysterious force, the circle of life.
Felt like saying that.

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What's time, can anyone define it?

The rate of decrease or increase of entropy.

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mrxak

I think you've misread Einstein.

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Originally posted by General Rak:

From what I know, the only thing that bends space-time is matter, and you cannot create matter. Of course, I could be wrong, but still, your idea seems scientifically unsound. Why not have your hyperdrive create a wormhole? It could be a feasible energy source in the far future, and is (fairly) scientifically sound

The only thing that bends spacetime is gravity (well, gravity is a bending of spacetime). If you could artificially create gravity, then this would be feasible. That or carry around a blackhole. The idea has been thought of before. Compress space in front of the vehicle, expand it behind and dart across the gap at relatively sub-c speeds. As far as I understand, such a device would require negative energy though. The existence of negative energy isn't prohibited by physics, but it's difficult to create and you would need quite a sizeable amount. Additionally, Einstein didn't prove you can't go faster than c. All he did was theorize that to travel over c you would need a more than infinite amount of energy. He could also have been wrong.

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Can you travel through time faster than the normal pace?

You can go through it slower. Just go faster through space. Running really does increase your lifespan.

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Vaumnou

The idea of "bending space time so you can pierce the space time continuum" is vague. What exactly do you mean by that? I can't make out how bending spacetime would cause you to move along without using energy. Now what would be REALLY cool, is a gravitic projector that creates a "downhill slope" in the space around your ship, so that you "fall" in the direction you want to go.

Think about it; we discovered individual particles that generate electric fields; and then we discovered that when they move at relativistic speeds, magnetic fields arise from Doppler effects (wierd but true). Using electromagnets, we can generate all sorts of arbitrary field configurations. So what happens when massive (gravity-field-emitting!) particles move at relativistic speeds? Gravitic magnetism! It's the Next Big Thing! Using gravmag technology we could probably make wormholes and stuff like that without too much effort. Now THAT would be cool. Only problem is, some theories suggest that gravity waves (disturbances in the gravitational fields, which would generate the aforementioned gravmag waves) travel at ~10,000,000,000 times the speed of light! If this is so, then you would have to move the particles REALLY quickly to get any appreciable gravmag effects.

-Vaumnou

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...and someday we'll be doing something and all the sudden we'll say "Woah, what the **** we're going faster than the speed of light..." ...and everyone will be all confused...

Just one of the mildly intelligent things that I say on occasion. I was with my friend and we were talking about how things have happened that we thought couldn't happen. Just because you think it won't/can't happen doesn't mean it is impossible.

-Kevin

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If you were to invent a time machine, would time cease to exist?

Starbridge42

Has anyone here read Red Dwarf by Doug Naylor? If so then what did you think of how Holly got the ship to break the light barrier? Would that work possibly?

For those that don't know what happened was the ship had been accelerating for 3 million years and when it reached the light barrier it was still accelerating and so went faster then light. Also an interesting thing that happened was the started seeing 'Future Echoes,' because they were going faster then light they were catching up to things they would do before they'd actually done them.

Any thoughts on the feasabilty or is it just a load of fictitius bull-s**t

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Kind of, yes. Take this for instance. You are in a space ship, and begin travelling faster than light. You travel for 30 seconds, and then turn around. You will see yourself flying towards where you are currently. Anyone watching from where you stopped and saw yourself would see the ship come in a few seconds after you saw it. However, they are not seeing where you actually are, just where the light is.

Now, what I always wondered is, do you constantly reflect the light while traveling faster than light, or are you invisible while travelling faster? The prior was supported in Gundam with the "after images", which has been done in several other sci-fi series. The latter can be supported by bringing up the sound barrier, how when you travel faster than sound, you cannot hear the plane for a few seconds after it has passed.

Of course, light traveling in a vector that is not parallel to the direction you are travelling will reflect some light off the ship, making it possible to be seen, however dimly.

Thoughts?

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spacecowboy

Okay. Two things: 1) what the deuce does this have to do with the game? I'm no moderator, but I'm really getting the feeling that this is better suited to the B&B; board, not Dev, unless you're trying to come up with explanations as to how HyperDrives work. If so, than see 2.

Relax, it's just a game. You really should just shut up and play.

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SpacePirate

Whoa, there cowboy!

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Originally posted by spacecowboy:
**what the deuce does this have to do with the game? I'm no moderator, but I'm really getting the feeling that this is better suited to the B &B; board

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Have you ever been to the B&B; Board? Its pure insanity for the most part (still gotta love it though ) and this topic is quite sane. I feel it belongs here and it is quite relavent because developers might want to write something about how hyperspace works into ship or outfit descriptions.

As for hyperspace theories I read somewhere that there could be different dimensions along side our own that are going at faster speeds than our own, and if your could enter these dimensions, and then re-enter your own, little time would have passed. To get into another dimension would require a massive amount of energy, maybe some kind of explosion or something.

Ah well, forgive my strange ramblings, I don't really understand any of it.

TheRedeemer

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Jules

The three ideas Im playing with for the TC Im writing are:

Ripple Feilds. Feilds are created that create ripples in the fabric of space. Ships are able to ride these fields to the required destination.
Folds. Folds are created in the fabric of space that allow a ship to jump instantaniously between two points in the Universe.
Between-dimension Jumps. Ships create a hole between two dimensions where it can travel at speeds far exceeding the speed of light. Note, I kind of stole this idea from Farscape.

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Vast Deathmaster

As has been said before, we are bound up by theory. We have never been outside of our Oort Cloud.

Most of our theories were made before we even put a man into space.

Any game that breaks our version of the speed of light is Science Fantasy.

The only Science Fact game you are going to get is one based entirely within this star system. Even then, it is only Fact up to Neptune. Heck, we're still finding (url="http://"http://www.ifa.hawaii.edu/~sheppard/satellites/jup2003.html")moons(/url) around Jupiter.

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gyrospin

I'm going to implement most or all of these ideas into my new TC:

We've only colonized a few systems, and travel between these systems is expensive and requires a massive amount of energy. The energy problem is solved by containing gargantuan power supplies (nuke reactors) in Battle Platforms.
To go to another system, the platform opens a quantum particle-sized comm conduit to the destination BP, and it then opens the travel tunnel long enough for the ship(s) to get through. If an enemy ship or an unauthorized vessel tries to get into an open wormhole, the tunnel can be collaped on it, completely and utterly destroying it .

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Originally posted by SpacePirate:
**Now, what I always wondered is, do you constantly reflect the light while traveling faster than light, or are you invisible while travelling faster? The prior was supported in Gundam with the "after images", which has been done in several other sci-fi series. The latter can be supported by bringing up the sound barrier, how when you travel faster than sound, you cannot hear the plane for a few seconds after it has passed.
Thoughts?

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Say your here * and light is moving to here ~, by the time you get to ~ light will be there and reflect off you.

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HeWhoMustNotBeNamed

Does anyone else find these little ramblings on hyperadvanced physics humorous? I know I do.

I always hada question about all of this "other dimensions" nonsense. Just take the four we live in as an exapmle. Now, how do you go about shifting from the x dimension to the y? You can't just jump there, that produces a discontinuity which is considered a bad thing. You have to apply energy to curve your path into the other dimension. Now take a 2-D object, how can you force it into a third dimension? I'm just not seeing the feasability.

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