Ok so after clocking trinity i wanted to see if there was anything else left to do so i downloaded the trinity items list and under storyline items was an item called Family ring so Where do you get it? What quest is it for?

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isnt the the ring you retrieve from the well by the ruins of the farm?

that the one i can think of

stray

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Welcome to the boards, marjock. Stray is right. Other than rings which are used as armor, the only ring in the game is one decorated with a family crest and possessing strong evil magic. Emelius, the druid, needs you to retrieve this ring so he can continue his incantations against the forces working to tear Garendall apart.

You will need to find this ring before Emelius will grant you access to the top of the Learning Tree. You must reach the top of the tree before you can get into High Garendall and ultimately to the end of the game.

You said you "wanted to see if there was anything else left to do" and the answer is in plug-ins both now and to come. "Sapphire" and "Spells Expander" each add quests, new characters, and sections of story line. There are at least five more plug-ins in the works that I am aware of, so don't hang up your shield quite yet. ~RD

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OH, that ring silly me yeah ive already downloaded spells expander which i think there might be a bug in beause my first conjurer has supposedly "done" all the quests which i have not so thus i miss out on things like quicksilver ring and Moki :frown:

And as for saphire it says it adds one quest whic you will be rewarded nicely for if u complete it. Ithought this was a cheat plugin to give you lots of stuff is it?

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(quote)Originally posted by marjock:
**OH, that ring silly me yeah ive already downloaded spells expander which i think there might be a bug in beause my first conjurer has supposedly "done" all the quests which i have not so thus i miss out on things like quicksilver ring and Moki

(quote) And as for saphire it says it adds one quest whic you will be rewarded nicely for if u complete it. Ithought this was a cheat plugin to give you lots of stuff is it?** (/quote)

No, Sapphire is not a cheat plug-in. The quest starts in Fantrima and takes you to three corners of the kingdom to complete. You will have to involve yourself in some family troubles, defeat a nasty blue dragon, and have some other adventures. This plug-in is relatively short, but I, for one, think it is well written and worth the effort. Have fun. ~RD

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Umm you said the obvious quests now sorry if i misunderstood but i assume your referring to the tome of war fere and the free the lab quests? Yes? well i have not done those quest yet when i go down into the lab fangleese is there and says thanks again for the help and when i enter the swordsmans guild using the wizzard of war spell the man down there hugs me and also says thanks again so it seems i have done the quests and missed out ton the rewards. Sorry again if i missunderatood your reply

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**Umm you said the obvious quests now sorry if i misunderstood but i assume your referring to the tome of war fere and the free the lab quests? Yes? well i have not done those quest yet when i go down into the lab fangleese is there and says thanks again for the help and when i enter the swordsmans guild using the wizzard of war spell the man down there hugs me and also says thanks again so it seems i have done the quests and missed out ton the rewards. Sorry again if i missunderatood your reply
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Maybe it is I who is not understanding the situation. Have you talked with Bernard? Have you been to the vault? If you brought the Tome of Warfare to Gack you were offered three choices as a reward. What did you choose? ~RD

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See this is the thing I have the wizzard of war spell I use it, i go down to swordsmans guild and get greeted with the same reply that u get after you have already chosen your reward yet still i have no reward. Same situation with fangleese this makes me very :frown:

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**See this is the thing I have the wizzard of war spell I use it, i go down to swordsmans guild and get greeted with the same reply that u get after you have already chosen your reward yet still i have no reward. Same situation with fangleese this makes me very:frown:
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Are you saying that you never chose one of the three? If you did make a choice, are you saying that the item did not appear in your inventory? This is very strange. If you chose the Necklace of Pallin or the Blade Courage then you cannot go back to get the Tome of Moki, but you should have gotten something for delivering the Tome of Warfare to the Swordsman's Guild. Do you have a saved game from just before you delivered the Tome? ~RD

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Find those areas you missed the first time around. You'll want to explore those hidden areas now made accessible with Spells Expander.

No you missunderstand This conjureer was made and clocked the game before i had spell expander i have NOT got or done these quests so i never got a choice of a reward the people who should be giving the rewards just act like they have already done so that is the situation (lol, maybe they already gave it to another adventuerer like my evil twin sigh...)

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Originally posted by marjock:
**No you missunderstand This conjureer was made and clocked the game before i had spell expander i have NOT got or done these quests so i never got a choice of a reward the people who should be giving the rewards just act like they have already done so that is the situation (lol, maybe they already gave it to another adventuerer like my evil twin sigh...)

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Marjock,

you say that you have clocked the game - are you using the game continuer plug in?

Just a thought (I may be far off track with this one ...

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This is the problem (as I see it):
marjock starts his game with trinity. he goes ahead and completes trinity, gets bored and opens up Spells expander. He tries to get/complete quest but they are already "completed". Therefore, he can't get the tome of moki or do the lab quest.

MY question, is how he got WoW without doing all this stuff. Bernard won't talk nicely unless you give him the crystal. marjock: if I got this wrong, tell me.

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**- - -MY question, is how he got WoW without doing all this stuff. Bernard won't talk nicely unless you give him the crystal. - -
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My thoughts exactly, CHa0s, it certainly sounds like he is playing somebody else's game. He has items that wouldn't be there unless he'd done the quests he says he hasn't. He says he never made a choice, so how does he know what the screens says after you make that choice? I'm putting together bits and pieces from four threads here and coming up with something that smells like fish. ~RD

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Find those areas you missed the first time around. You'll want to explore those hidden areas now made accessible with Spells Expander.

mmm...is a bit odd. By the way (sorry to steal your post, marjock) , have you gotten the Alpha 4 yet?

Ok, back to the problem. Apparenly, the variable don't want to load properly. If we can't get this to work, then I can ask Stark for the variable and make a small plug to reset it. Tell me what you find.

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Originally posted by CI-Ia0s:
**mmm...is a bit odd. By the way (sorry to steal your post, marjock) , have you gotten the Alpha 4 yet? ~snip~
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Wrong place to ask, check your e-mail in the morning.

Marjock, if we are going to help you, we need some answers. Are you playing a game gotten from someone else, or did you download PoG and Spells Expander yourself? I don't know what you mean by "clocking trinity", please explain this term. If you didn't do the quests, how did you end up with Wizard of War?

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Hi sorry i havent checked in guys I'm Definitely not playing someone elses game. As i have already mentioned Fangleese acts as though hes given me my Basement reward so when i go and ask him about bernard he gives me the crystal and i do the bernard bit go and get wow spell etc. and then go down to swordsmans guild and talk to guy who gives you tome of warfare quest who gives me a big hug and says Thatnks Again Marjock Which by the way is the same response you get after finishing and being rewarded fore the quest normaly but dont worry too much as i have started up a new conjurer and am currently working on spell ex and sapphire But cheers for your help

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HAs i have already mentioned Fangleese acts as though hes given me my Basement reward so when i go and ask him about bernard he gives me the crystal and i do the bernard bit go and get wow spell etc. and then go down to swordsmans guild and talk to guy who gives you tome of warfare quest who gives me a big hug and says Thatnks Again Marjock Which by the way is the same response you get after finishing and being rewarded fore the quest normaly but dont worry too much as i have started up a new conjurer and am currently working on spell ex and sapphire But cheers for your help

Wow, thats FUBAR.

I have a couple questions though:

1. Exactly what plug-ins are you running? Any betas of any plug-ins in development?
2. Did you play another character through first(say a swordsman) and go through the Swordsmen's guild quests? If so, did you then load your conjurer without completely quitting out of PoG?

Lemme know the answers to these questions. If there is a problem I'd like to get it corrected before SE 1.0.1 is released.

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Yes I was currently playing a swordsman (which is how i know what the man says after you have done the quest) and chose courage and no I probably would not have quit before opening up my old conjurer game

Sorry, By clocking trinity I mean Clocked POG eith a trinity character : The conjurer and yes i dled POG and SPELLS EX myself.

What you dont seem to be able to understand is that i never got or did the quests heres what happened and michael this will answer your question too I used game continuer used a gallion gate stone and started walking to fantrima I was really slow so i decided to go get me a quicksilver ring I go to dernath The mage isnt there... I go to his lab The mage is there he says thanks again for helping me blah blah blah I think hmmmm this is strange so come here and then find out about bernard I go and purchase blink and blink to his location he tells me to go away i go talk to people in mage tower they dont say anything about him i go talk to mage in dernath he does he gives me crystal i go see bernard bernard tells me to go to his room so i go and get spells i use WOW and think OH so this is what that tome of moki thing is for (knew of tome of moki from game with swordsman) so i go to swordsmans guild clock the fighting arena and then go to get tome of warfare quest and the guy there says thanks again for helping me so thus i luck out on the quicksilver ring AND tome of moki. I have now started up a new conjurer so dont worry about me but if your interesded in fixing bug then theres the info. WHat? oh yes the plug-ins lets see i have gamecontinuer, volumecontrol, speedy keys, sapphire, spells expander, trinity

PS how do you do quote thing it looks quite useful.

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Yes I was currently playing a swordsman (which is how i know what the man says after you have done the quest) and chose courage and no I probably would not have quit before opening up my old conjurer game

Ok, I understand what happened now. You have encountered one of PoG's worst bugs, in my humble opinion.

The short of it is that PoG handles globals(read: things that have happened) very poorly between game saves/loads. If you do something and die and reload your character back to a point before you did that thing, PoG will correctly remove any items/experience/material things you would have received after the point at which you saved. However, any globals that were set will not be reset and thus PoG will believe you have done these things.

So here is what I believe happened:

You did the quests with your swordsman and finished them. Globals were set saying you completed these quests. You then loaded your conjurer and these globals were still set as being completed. You then saved your game, saving these globals on your character effectively blocking him from ever doing the quests. For all intents and purposes PoG believes you have done these quests.

Now, with your conjurer, there are a few ways around this. I assume you had previously done nothing with your conjurer in SE? If not, save your game again then quit PoG completely. Restart PoG but do not load the SE plug-in(uncheck it). Load your conjurer and save your game(use a different saved game name, just in case something goes boink). Then quit and restart PoG again, this time loading the SE plug-in. Load your new saved game and all the variables for SE should be reset so you can now play the plug-in as normal.

The second method involves me putting together a plug-in for you that automatically resets the variables for you. I can do this but it will be a couple days. I would recommend using the above methods.

And in the future remember that PoG has a poor global-handling structure. If you need to load a game it is best to quit PoG completely. If you don't your results may be odd.

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PS how do you do quote thing it looks quite useful.

Hit the "quote" button above the post you want to quote. It will then drop you into the message editor along with the UBB quote code already in place.

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