Ahh, yes. Time to bring one in after I'd asked for one when it'd have helped me, and being told no need. Certainly. Bring one in to bugger things up. Its the sort of thing I'd expect from you.
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I want to see a good reason why the Council should be brought into this webstory. Currently, I don't see one.
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I see that, but what I'm saying is that we don't need a player to take over the Council, as the only real IC issue right now that they would be addressing is the fact that so called war criminals have been shipped off to them. Thus, the entity of the Council, a neutral and NPC role, would handle that on its own; the most that would be said in the thread would be Paranoid saying the Council picking up the accused war criminals and then rushing them off for trial. That is not something that warrants another player. However, if you do bring in another player, RMA's point about Crescent Station is correct; the Council would be rather angry about having their domain invaded by a Strand, and would likely not look favorably on the Azdgari, while also not seeing reason to favor the Zidagar, considering the fact that war criminals just entered their jurisdiction. They Igadzra have done nothing to incense the Council, but overall, the issues that would pertain to the Council, I think, do not require the attentions of a player.
Regards,
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"opened fire with a weapon they knew nothing about." RMA
Err if you have ever used this device on the Azdgari the Voinians would know about it. I have shared every scrap of data from every computer with the Voinians.
I finish the battle of Chak tonight if anyone has the time.
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Long live the Azdgari!
Thanks Bush, great job at protecting oil fields. Oh but next time, protecting the first known artifacts of writing, and the first calendar might be preferable.
I can't handle the Battle of Chak due to time constraints, and I guess the same holds for Redchigh, due to his parallel inactivity.
However, in the matter of your battleposts Paranoid, they're revoked on the grounds that you controlled the Igadzra fleets. You had them conducting idiotic tactics, and, unless you were told explicitly by RMA that that was what he wanted you to say his ships did, that's unacceptable. The ships of the Crescent have some of the best sensors in the galaxy, as exemplified by the fact that in the EV:O Nebula missions, the Miranu acquire an Igadzra sensor relay to enter the nebulae. From this, we can infer that the Igadzra could likely tell that a bunch of floating metal is different from the Voinian ships, if only from the massed lights of their engine nacelles.
Regards,
Solel
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However, in the matter of your battleposts Paranoid, they're revoked on the grounds that you controlled the Igadzra fleets. You had them conducting idiotic tactics, and, unless you were told explicitly by RMA that that was what he wanted you to say his ships did, that's unacceptable. The ships of the Crescent have some of the best sensors in the galaxy, as exemplified by the fact that in the EV:O Nebula missions, the Miranu acquire an Igadzra sensor relay to enter the nebulae. From this, we can infer that the Igadzra could likely tell that a bunch of floating metal is different from the Voinian ships, if only from the massed lights of their engine nacelles.
RMA said he was arranged in a sphere formation before the battle started, he never ordered it changed. He also had me use idiotic tactics, (i.e. my enemy cloaks and I stand there and wait for them to destroy me) he also never posted stats of any weaponry and this Beam does massive damage to armor, and shields and he has infinate amounts of it? I apologize for making him use SAEs so I'll reduce my casualties that battle and increase them equally the next, I just did that. I also ignored the fact that he seems to think a beam can fire infinately without power and destroy a fleet with armor in seconds. As for the Twyus I'll up casualties but the planet is worthless to the Igadzra so the system doesn't matter. Meanwhile I'll complain RMA has posted upgrades but never damage or range. All I have done is posted but ignored...
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The beam does very heavy damage to both shields and armour, me having spent 7 days researching it, and it being a massive facility that runs the length of an Igazra. As for having an infinite amount, it's hardly that. I just have a lot of Igazras.
And for the record, 3 SAES obliterate a heavy fighter. 2 would wipe out a standard heavy fighter, and if you've upgarded, 3 would do the job, and still with overkill.
Your fighters in Saffera have been wiped out, and so has your entire fleet in Twyus.
As for the guards on Twyus, they would not want to leave. They had an important job. The planet was valuable to the Zidagar, and is now valuable to the Hegemony. They'd fire back at anyone you landed with everything you had. Even the criminals would probably help. They only have 5 year sentances, and since you're not a crescent race, you would not be welcome.
I also have to wonder how you'd evacuate people when all your ships are still in the systems, and you make no mention of any support ships, ever. Not to mention you'd need a lot of them. Plus why traders and farmers would want to leave their place of work, I dont know.
And phase weaponry, while not as effective as blaze weaponry, still does well against armour. Especially when you have several hundred turrets and cannons.
Please rework your post to deal with the actual facts, and not your imaginations.
RMA
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The beam does very heavy damage to both shields and armour, me having spent 7 days researching it, and it being a massive facility that runs the length of an Igazra. As for having an infinite amount, it's hardly that. I just have a lot of Igazras.
And for the record, 3 SAES obliterate a heavy fighter. 2 would wipe out a standard heavy fighter, and if you've upgarded, 3 would do the job, and still with overkill.
Your fighters in Saffera have been wiped out, and so has your entire fleet in Twyus.
As for the guards on Twyus, they would not want to leave. They had an important job. The planet was valuable to the Zidagar, and is now valuable to the Hegemony. They'd fire back at anyone you landed with everything you had. Even the criminals would probably help. They only have 5 year sentances, and since you're not a crescent race, you would not be welcome.
And phase weaponry, while not as effective as blaze weaponry, still does well against armour. Especially when you have several hundred turrets and cannons.
Please rework your post to deal with the actual facts, and not your imaginations.
RMA
I spent 6 days on a shield upgrade, 4 on a movement upgrade and 7 on Strroka fighters. You never posted any stats so write 'em up and I'll follow them after that point. A beam that does damage to armor wouldn't have been thought of by you since you've never faced armored vessels so the research itself would be OOC. Sever hundred turrets and cannons vs. two times that in longer range cannons and turrets. My upgraded cruiser have 6 neutron cannons and 4 turrets a piece. With 30 thats 180 cannons and 120 turrets Frigates have 5 cannons 2 turrets 200 cannons 80 turrets. Your Aradas are attacking not your Igadzras so I'm only facing 400 cannons and 100 turrets. I also notice that your Aradas have the beam not the Igadzras... otherwise I'd pull out of range being faster.
As for the guards in Twyus the average life expectancy was under 5 years. Why wouldn't they leave? They also have had their honored leader slaughtered in battle with you. You remember Japans "God Emperor" same thing for the Zidagar if you look on Xenocides posts. So why the surrender, a regime change for a puppet government under the Igadzra. Most Zidagar wouldn't accept it after the massive war and the tragedy of Vastan, so why do you think they wouldn't want other government? I had little connection with you or anyone so I offered santuary and they accepted.
Meanwhile you insult my strategy, I've fought and every battle has nearly equal losses, you destroy fleets without any losses something that has not been allowed in any webstory I've been in. Simply because it wouldn't happen take the idiots who invaded Iraq's demoralized soldiers with superior technology. They lost a hundred troops. Take Hitlers invasion of Poland. He lost two hundred troops and more ever though he out manned them, had better strategies and had better equipment. Battles without losses don't happen I always lose a fair number of ships you never lose one even against an equal fleet like in Saffera. I realize the moderators have taken your side but I wish to point out that I have fought as fairly as possible without using OOC knowledge. (Like RMAs perfect counter to armor he had never seen) Or unfair battles (Like RMA incuring massive casualties with literally 0 losses). This is my argument for the validity of my posts and while it is imperfect and flawed, so is everyone. RMA is a brilliant strategist and an excellent player/politician a good match, but as long as he abides by no rules he is a loose cannon and I will do my best to meet the challenges he faces me with, political, OOC and military.
Sorry, but are you deranged?
When did I say just my Aradas were attacking? Where? You'd have to twist my words massively to come to that conclusion. It'd certainly help you out, but it'd be stupidity on my part, when you cant outrun me.
As for the beam, it's essentially a massively overpowerd laser, dwarfing anything anyone else has tried building. It cuts through armour just as easily as it does shields.
And while I can find improvements to your fighters speed and such, I see no such mention of the same for cruisers, so I hardly see how your fleet in Saffera would be able to pull away, being far slower than my Igazras. And
As for the life expectancy thing...what? That's how long the prisoners have to work till they get free.
As for the tragedy of Vastan, what targedy? It was a military outpost that got destroyed. No massive losses of civilians, ect.
And for the Zidagar government surrendering, that was a mod decision, and so IC, it was the actual Zidagar government surrendering. PLus Xenocide is a frickin moron. The mods accepted my surrender demand, they certainly didnt do any such thing for you. You just moved in, said you had control, and that was it.
And as for losses, this isnt a bloody ground war. It's a 3 dimensional fight in space. Very, very different. Applying the same standards to it is extremely stupid. In this case, weaponry that outranged yours massively killed your fighters before they got close. So they could hardly do any damage when they're dead. My Igazras are faster than your frigates, and I cant see an upgrade for them, looking through quickly. You made a boo boo. I can hit your fleet while you have zero chance of getting near me.
Live with it.
RMA
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"very heavy damage to both shields and armour, me having spent 7 days"-RMA
And a simple jamming device would do well to stop targeting weapons only 25% of the time?
"And phase weaponry, while not as effective as blaze weaponry, still does well against armour. Especially when you have several hundred turrets and cannons."-RMA
And voinian weapons also work pretty well against cresent ships, at least whenever I play they work well.
"and you make no mention of any support ships, ever."-RMA
Did you mention a large ground invasion force to take Chak? Because you invaded it and I never remember you posting support ships to carry troops. I apologize if you did.
I am just kind of annoyed at how this sphere formation is practically invincible and whenever some one tries to break it up it apparently can't happen. Whatever
"I can't handle the Battle of Chak due to time constraints, and I guess the same holds for Redchigh, due to his parallel inactivity."-Sole
I might as well quit then because my nations future hangs in the balance of this single battle. Nah I'll stay around a little longer to see if RMA has any feeling besides irritation. Respect seems to have been left in RMAs dust.
"If the council suddenly pops up now, it had better damn well beat the Azdgari down for violating the council station in Kade(or whatever system it's in)"-RMA "Crescent Station is correct; the Council would be rather angry about having their domain invaded by a Strand, and would likely not look favorably on the Azdgari"-Sole
All the council wants me to do is keep the station in good repair. Considering it is deep in my space and I posted about in historically speaking that would make sense. I built on the side of it that does not have any of their equipment on it. Also instead of blowing everything I have already arranged to turn all my space over to the Miranu and maybe the Zachit.
"Paranoids latest post"
So I am not the only one who feels/felt like that. Good to know. I have to agree with Paranoid, why wouldn't the Zidagar want to be ruled by a government that have joined battle on their side and have done nothing to make them hate the Voinians. I personally would not surrender to a longer time advisary if another option was available. Also people aren't stupid. They know there is no point in trying to hold out against a vast fleet when there are no ships on their side.
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Long live the Azdgari!
Thanks Bush, great job at protecting oil fields. Oh but next time, protecting the first known artifacts of writing, and the first calendar might be preferable.
RMA has pretty much summed up what I also think about Paranoid's post.
And Gordontron; so the Zidagar surrender to the Voinians, who then get butchered by the Igadzra, and the Zidagar have to surrender to the Igadzra. I personally would prefer only one surrender per week. If the Zidagar had any sort of sense, they would surrender to the Igadzra. And anyway, how could they surrender to the Voinians? Just say "Now that the Igadzra have our homeworld surrounded, we'll surrender to the mortal enemy of the Igadzra and have ourselves bombed out of existence." That's ludicrous. What is also ludicrous is how Paranoid seems to want to help the poor Zidagar people. These are the Voinians, the brutal conquerors of the galaxy, not these peaceloving people who go around helping others.
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I formally apologize for my earlier posting, I was merely teed off about RMA's obnoxious attitude. I am sorry for my short fuse it is not my fault and my inability to post 24-7 is either due to extra curricular activities or colossal amounts of homework. RMA, battles are supposed to be interactive you merely post:
I kicked your butt I lose nothing. Not a very sports-man like attitude. I am trying to sustain myself as much as possible RMA. Sorry for my most recent post it was very stupid of me. Webstories are my way of releasing anger I have a passive attitude toward the real world and when people annoy me I can't do anything become the scum under the bottom of the totem pole. After fighting my short depression, I decided to read the webstory not thinking of joining after my recent ludicrous post. However, RMA and everyone else: This is just a game. This is a game meant for plot development not for universal domination. I took over a non-existing universe and made countless peoples hope of having fun shattered. No one likes to lose, and no one should like to win. However, it doesn't work that way. There are always those that you may hate, despise and even loathe but if, so keep it shut no one cares whom you dislike. This may seem odd coming from me but I kind of just got reality slapped in my face. RMA being my actual self I wonder, where does all of your hate come from. I have never seen a person with such a problem with losing. This doesn't exist! Winning doesn't matter losing shouldn't be an option.
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I have no problem with losing, when my opponent is good. When my opponent cant realise it's impossible to get within his own weapons range without being destroyed, and settles for ignoring the fact the ships he's attacking with are destroyed, I get annoyed. As for being sportsman like, am I supposed to go "hmm, this isnt fair, I'll throw away everything and stop firing"?
And it aint anger, it's just a complete lack of patience for people who continually play like you do.
And I couldnt make much sense of the rest of that rambling, so nothing more to say.
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RMA, after reviewing your battle posts I found a discrepancy. You said on your attack on Twyus you had 50 Igazras but earlier you had posted your fleet as 30 I believe that was a mistake.
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PLus Xenocide is a frickin moron.
No flaming on the board please.
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As for the life expectancy thing...what? That's how long the prisoners have to work till they get free.
Notice the phrase "Should they survive five of the planet's long years." It tends to imply a likelihood of death.
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And while I can find improvements to your fighters speed and such, I see no such mention of the same for cruisers, so I hardly see how your fleet in Saffera would be able to pull away, being far slower than my Igazras.
And so you charge them from half way across the system as previously specified by me and without a single casualty. You must be a god or something your ships can teleport...
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And as for losses, this isnt a bloody ground war. It's a 3 dimensional fight in space. Very, very different. Applying the same standards to it is extremely stupid. In this case, weaponry that outranged yours massively killed your fighters before they got close. So they could hardly do any damage when they're dead. My Igazras are faster than your frigates, and I cant see an upgrade for them, looking through quickly. You made a boo boo. I can hit your fleet while you have zero chance of getting near me.
You specify that this a three dimensional battle. you specify that your fleets are in a sphere formation. You specify that you have to re-aim your turrets at my fighters. You don't specify that 2/3s of your ships can't use their weapons in a sphere formation. You don't specify that my fighters can move so you have to re-calibrate every second or you can't hit them. Then you continue to flame and bs your way through saying "nyah nyah you can't get me." Then crying when I do. I don't like people who flame, whine and cry. As you fall into these categories conceal your emotions and fight with acceptance and tolerance, two qualities I have never seen you display.
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Uh huh. Fuel eh? What fuel? And I seem to recall something called an SAE. And dispersal rockets. And faster ships than yours, making any weapons only slightly longer ranged not so good for you, since I can get in range. I didnt ignore what you posted, I posted what would have actually happened after your idiotic movements.
As for charging across the system...do you have a memory that short? CLOAKING TECHNOLOGY.
And having to re-calibrate my turrets every time your ships moved. Right. And as I explained the sphere formation to Red, all my ships have no trouble firing long range weapons. At close range, the sphere does something called 'engulfing', most of the time.
As for flaming, not really. Stating my mind. You seem to be the one who cant accept you're horrendously outmatched in this case. I'm not the one hiding from anything here, you are. You havent 'got me', since that would require getting within your own weapons range. Please stop making things up.
And as for this effecting me emotionally? Hardly. You seem to be the one throwing a fit because you've found that bluster and bad playing doesnt let you win.
As for the fleet numbers, I hit the wrong button. It's 30 Igazras. Still 10 times as many ships as actually needed.
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(OOC:Uh huh, making the jammer jsut as effective as it first was. Right. Good thing I can use exactly the same cheating trick to set things back as they would be anyway.)
Yes I am making the device as effective as it was when WE decided on the %. I seem to remeber you making my device much less effective by the exact same method. I am simply doing the exact same thing as you. I supose your right, then that is cheating.
but oh there are a few other things I spent a large portion of time on this and it would be easily upgraded. Not to mention that you seem to have totally forgotten that this does not scramble guns and the like. Also there is a rule about invincible technology around here: that is it doesn't happen. The way you use your ships they are invincible according to you. As for what the Zidagar civilians think I think that is up to Rima, he or she is a lot less biased then most of us around here.
If there is ever a need for a mod it is now. Yes Kauthor may be slightly biased against RMA but Sole is biased with RMA. It has equaled it self out so far.
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"Chaos is our ally, discipline our mortal foe" --Azdgari Commander
Long live the Azdgari!
Thanks Bush, great job at protecting oil fields. Oh but next time, protecting the first known artifacts of writing, and the first calendar might be preferable.
My fleet composition is far from invincible, people just need to work out the cracks. As it stands, Paranoids fleets attacking me dont stand a chance though. He does have a few options open to himself for make his fleets more 'immune' to my attacks. But why i should mention what they are, I dont know.
RMA
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Paranoid, all the Gordontron, you both started out not knowing much about webstories, and made a few mistakes. Since then I've been able to tell you two may be important parts of the WDC someday soon. RMA, on the other hand, I'm ashamed of you. You've got to keep your ******* emotions under control, they have no place in this webstory. "What emotions?!" you say? You get mad when people don't see your view. No more personal insults will be tolerated here. IC, insult them all they want in the spirit of war... But here, It's a bad idea. It's discouraging for the new writers here.
Understand?
I'll do everyone a favor, state the facts from both points of view, and come up with a conclusion to the battle. If I assume anything wrong, I offer my utmost apologies.
There are 150 Igazras and 225 Igazra Aradas in Saffera. Igazras have 60 SAEs and three launchers. Aradas have 10 each. That's 19,000 SAE's (120,000 armor damage), Assuming they all get fired... However, Since I'm doing the post, It will have to be done in 2-minute increments, the reload rate for SAE's.
Ok, I talked with RMA and looked at the stats. As much as I hate to say it, everything he said wasn't as much of an exageration as I thought. His beam is strong with an extremely long range, and his SAE's will travel unhindered. I highly reccomend that you take this loss as an Educational experience, and develop some sort of counter. RMA's strategy was to take out your warships at long range with his beams, and laucn SAE's at any fighters that try to get within weapons range. The only damage I can find to his own ships is that the fighter's laucn their rockets before the SAE's hit them. Then, there will be about 60 rockets hitting the fleet, but probably not enough to destroy any ships, since they would be unguided. Perhaps two aradas and an igadzra destroyed if you stayed and fought, That's rounding up. You can evacuate up to 60% of your fleet, (and have no Igadzra losses). I would reccomend this... because as you can see, it would be a slaughter. I really am sorry.
EDIT: Also, for your beam.... the +10 upgrade you did? It's now +15 shields and +=5 armor, since I have to conclude that the only reason a normally paranoid schizo strand would increase armor damage is if they had an enemy that used armor- And at the time, they didn't. However, it doesn't change the outcome of the battle, since the beam still does a lot of damage to armor, just lots more to shields. It's long range still ensues victory for the Igadzra. The voinian rockets would have had enough range to hit the fleet, but the accuracy would have been horrible. The absolute max # of rockets to hit is... (looks at the ship counts... The number of rockets that could be fired before the voinian fleet was destroyed.... Each fighter could have launched one rocket, and at a slightly closer range having a little better accuracy.. not to mention a higher speed... so... so.. If you can't tell, when I started this post, I had planned to make the rockets ravage the Igadzra... But I'll hold my ground on the fact that a lot went through. Over the course of the battle, over 300 rockets would have hit the Igadzra fleet. RMA, this is final. Look at the damage though. That's 36,000 total damage. If the voinians stay and get wiped out. The entire fleet. Then the Igadzra would lose.. (looks up the shielding of an Igazra. The aradas would all dodge. The damage to the Igadzra is still only 3 Igazras, but over a dozen Igazras took heavy damage to their shields...
Now, if the Voinians would like to flee instead of fight to the death, I'll allow 75% of the capital ships to get away, and half of the carried fighters.
Kauthor, Solel, I am the battle moderator after all. I really do hate myself for making this judgement, but the fact is, RMA has done some researching in all the right places.
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