Iv been using that manuever since before it was named. Its not cheating, i'ts just exploiting the weaknesses of the AI; and it's the best way to kill a bunch of enemys withought waisting half an hour. There arent really tooooo meny strategies to EV and EVO, you can make the ultimate ship and overpower anything, or you can make a fun ship and outsmart anything. Since when is being smart cheating ?

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Some people call it cheating because in real life opponents wouldn't keep chasing a faster ship. I really hope Nova has a smarter AI, one that can recognize and evade the Monty Python.

(This message has been edited by Blackdog (edited 04-22-2001).)

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Originally posted by Reborn:
**Iv been using that manuever since before it was named. Its not cheating, i'ts just exploiting the weaknesses of the AI; and it's the best way to kill a bunch of enemys withought waisting half an hour. There arent really tooooo meny strategies to EV and EVO, you can make the ultimate ship and overpower anything, or you can make a fun ship and outsmart anything. Since when is being smart cheating ?

**

It is not technically cheating. It is taking advantage of a bug in the AI. It is dishonest, and really is a thing that you should not do, since for all intents and purposes, it is cheating.

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(This message has been edited by Starkiller (edited 04-22-2001).)

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Originally posted by Blackdog:
**Some people call it cheating because in real life opponents wouldn't keep chasing a faster ship. I really hope Nova has a smarter AI, one that can recognize and evade the Monty Python.
**

From what I've heard on the Nova webboards, the AI will be able to recognise, evade, and even perform the Monty Python manĎuvre!

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Originally posted by Lord Gwydion:
**and even perform the Monty Python manĎuvre!

**

How can the AI perform it? It is a glitch in the AI.

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They fixed it so there was no glitch.I don't know how it could perform it though.We are smart enough not to fall for it.

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Originally posted by Starkiller:
**How can the AI perform it? It is a glitch in the AI.

**

He's talking about EVN.

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I have never used the Monty Python for these reasons:

1. Takes too long. I like to go in with the heavy guns not with a laser that takes ages to kill the Dreadnought.

2. I never found out about until I came here.

3. It's taking advantage of the system, and therefor cheating.

4. I can't do it on anything more than a Dreadnought anyway, so...

I think you shouldn't use it. I mean, what's the point in it? Takes away the fun as far as I'm concerned...
~Gav

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I used to live by the MP, but then I realized that it was boring, so I changed my ways. I've noticed that its a lot harder to MP on EV than EV/O... anyone else think that?

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What els can u do ? U can make a huge ass ship that can take anything no problem ( ooo, fun), u can make passes( requiring you do either do more damage per pass or have better sheild regeneration), or you can circle the enemy and shoot it. For both the first and the second strategy to work, you'r ship would hafta be better than your opponents in some way. Circling is almost the same thing as MPing because usually they could fire at you when they dont. MPing is the only way to outsmart and take out a ship way, way, way better than yours. And, are you sure It's a glitch in the system ? In the later versions of EV and EVO ships will turn away if they'v been chasing you for too long, but you can still MP 'em if you get it juuuuust right. If you havn't noticed, Im not counting consumables as a stratagy because they suck( and they run out for long battles ). You can even MP the famous Igazra, who the "glitch" seems to not work for if your extremely good at it. It's not like MPing dosn't take effort. it dosnt make the game boring, In fact most of the time It's harder to MP than to just blow something away. Besides, cheating gives you an incredable advabtage and makes it really hard to get killed. Mping does not make you hard to kill. Before I mastered it, it was real easy to get killed while doing it if you screw up. Phew, my hands hurt now

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Originally posted by shayborg:
**He's talking about EVN.

**

I know. But, the computer can not execute the Monty Python because it requires that the opponent is a glitched AI.

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(quote)Originally posted by Reborn:
What els can u do ? U can make a huge ass ship that can take anything no problem ( ooo, fun) (/quote)

Yes.

(quote)Originally posted by Reborn:
u can make passes( requiring you do either do more damage per pass or have better sheild regeneration), or you can circle the enemy and shoot it. For both the first and the second strategy to work, you'r ship would hafta be better than your opponents in some way. (/quotes)

Isn't that the point ? Of course, I am assuming that we are disregarding pilot skill here. People have taken down the Dreadnought (sp?) in a fighter.

(QUOTE)Originally posted by Reborn:
MPing is the only way to outsmart and take out a ship way, way, way better than yours. (/quote)

It is not "outsmarting" them, it is taking advantage of a glitch. There is a huge difference.

(quote)Originally posted by Reborn:
And, are you sure It's a glitch in the system? (/quote)

Yes.

(quote)Originally posted by Reborn:
In the later versions of EV and EVO ships will turn away if they'v been chasing you for too long, but you can still MP 'em if you get it juuuuust right. (/quote)

So it is still there. The glitch is still there.

(quote)Originally posted by Reborn:
It's not like MPing dosn't take effort. it dosnt make the game boring, In fact most of the time It's harder to MP than to just blow something away. (/quote)

Then why do you use the Monty Python? Because it is harder ?

(quote)Originally posted by Reborn:
**Mping does not make you hard to kill.
**(/quote)

If you are performing the Monty Python, then you are not getting hurt. Therefore, it makes you hard to kill.

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Monty Python, Monty Python, Monty Python. I offer a well considered hmm... every time this subject comes up. I don't consider it cheating, since it is an AI weakness. If AI weaknesses were cheating, then one should never destroy a faster ship anyway, as the fact that it usually won't retreat could be considered such a weakness. True, this maneuver allows you to eventually kill most any ship even if you're in a shuttle with ship-mounted slingshots, but the sacrifice in realism does make the game also improves your odds of survivng long enough to not get totally frustrated. When I want a real battle, my strategy can be derived by replacing the "Star" in my nickname with "Ship." Yes, that's correct, strafing runs. Against slow ships, this strategy allows me to triumph over odds only the Monty Python could otherwise. Many a Voinian Cruiser hath fallen to my phase-cannon equipped Crescent Fighter after relentlessly whipping back and forth faster than the dude could even turn his turrets.

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Originally posted by Starkiller:
**If you are performing the Monty Python, then you are not getting hurt. Therefore, it makes you hard to kill.
**

I don't agree: have you ever tried to do it with a missile-equipped ship?
Ras

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Originally posted by rasputiza:
**I don't agree: have you ever tried to do it with a missile-equipped ship?
Ras

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Sorry, this had to be read so : "...have you ever tried to do it against a missile-equipped..."
Ras

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Yes, the Monty Python is cheating. It is taking advantage of a glitch in the AI. (A problem with the distance and range variable). The Nova AI will hopefully be able to simply blaze away when ever someone is within the slightest range. Ever notice how in most AI vs. AI battles they only begin shooting when their noses are nearly touching? That is the glitch at work. They don't use their weapons at their max range. They wait and fire at close range instead...

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Monty Python - What's the point?

Give me a ship match-up and I'll tell you one of two things. Exactly how to
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The Monty Python is quite simply, a cheat. I use it ONLY against Laziras, although
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Originally posted by StarStrafer:
**don't consider it cheating, since it is an AI weakness. If AI weaknesses were cheating, then one should never destroy a faster ship anyway, as the fact that it usually won't retreat could be considered such a weakness.
**

That is all well and good, but the Monty Python is not a weakness, it is a glitch. The AI, for some reason, does not respond to you when you use the maneuver. Look at it this way: if you were in the computer's place, would you fire? Yes. The AI does not fire, though, because it is a glitch.

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Originally posted by rasputiza:
**Sorry, this had to be read so : "...have you ever tried to do it against a missile-equipped..."
Ras

**

Yes, that was a very good correction to make

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Originally posted by Starkiller:
**That is all well and good, but the Monty Python is not a weakness, it is a glitch. The AI, for some reason, does not respond to you when you use the maneuver. Look at it this way: if you were in the computer's place, would you fire? Yes. The AI does not fire, though, because it is a glitch.

**

The AI, for some reason, also does not respond by retreating when you are clearly winning a battle. Look at it this way: if you were in the computer's place, would you retreat? Yes. The AI does not retreat, though, so is that another glitch?

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