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Originally posted by Captain Carnotaur:
**I think Alien means that he started all this WWII talk, and now you are posting tons about it. But anyway...

Only one inch of armor? I'm sure it had more than that. BTW, I heard once about a German Tiger tank that was hit 8 or 12 times by Sherman shells, and they didn't do a thing to it.

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Wow. I knew the Tigers had a lot of armor, but I didn't think that much. My favorite tank? Konigstiger. Also known as the Tiger 2. More armor, in more places, bigger gun, lot of good ammo, no more then 1,000 produced. My fav vehicle of WWII? Jagdtiger. Full foot of armour on the front, 12.8 Centimeter gun. One of them wiped out a FULL ALLIED TANK BRIGADE during the battle of the Bulge.

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I have lost my book on WWII tanks but if I remember correctly it was the Crocodile that was my favourite vehicle, gota love those flame throwers

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I also liked the ones that lone mentioned, their were only 18 made and they were constructed from old tiger tanks, they were made to take out russian strongholds but came too late in the war, they were already on the defensive, I think they needed a crane inside to lift the mini rockets it launched, I think it is the same machine of destruction lone talked about.

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Originally posted by Lonevoinian:
Wow. I knew the Tigers had a lot of armor, but I didn't think that much. My favorite tank? Konigstiger. Also known as the Tiger 2. More armor, in more places, bigger gun, lot of good ammo, no more then 1,000 produced. My fav vehicle of WWII? Jagdtiger. Full foot of armour on the front, ** 12.8 Centimeter gun. One of them wiped out a FULL ALLIED TANK BRIGADE during the battle of the Bulge.

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I don't think it was the armor of the Tiger tank that did it, it was the angle of the armor, the angle of the shot, and the size of the shot that made it so that the Tiger tank I talked about was able to survive 8 or 12 hits from Sherman tanks.

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Yes the crocadile is the Flamethrower, it also had several anti-personelle weapons, and a heavy cannon. I like the croc and the churchill.

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Yeah, I've heard about those. Actually, I've learned about quite a lot of tanks by playing Combat Mission: Beyond Overlord, a WWII battle scenario game. In it, Crocidiles are pretty good, but the German King Tiger can whoop them any time. So the only tank that can stand up to in is the Sherman Jumbo, which has massive amounts of sheilding in the front, however it's vulnerable to the sides, and same thing with with King Tiger. Another German Tank is the Stug, but that stinks and doesn't even have a turret, and the Sherman can easily knock those out. However, one German tank that you SHOULD look out for (besides all Tiger tanks) is the Panther. To knock out it the best strategy is to attack it from the front with two or three Shermans while one or two other Shermans attack from the sides, where it is easy mincemeat. Then there is also the Chaffee (Tank Destroyer with a MASSIVE gun), the Stuart (light tank), the Churchhill (British tank equivilent to the Sherman), and the Firefly (another British Tank which ain't that good).

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Originally posted by Captain Carnotaur:
**Yeah, I've heard about those. Actually, I've learned about quite a lot of tanks by playing Combat Mission: Beyond Overlord, a WWII battle scenario game. In it, Crocidiles are pretty good, but the German King Tiger can whoop them any time. So the only tank that can stand up to in is the Sherman Jumbo, which has massive amounts of sheilding in the front, however it's vulnerable to the sides, and same thing with with King Tiger. Another German Tank is the Stug, but that stinks and doesn't even have a turret, and the Sherman can easily knock those out. However, one German tank that you SHOULD look out for (besides all Tiger tanks) is the Panther. To knock out it the best strategy is to attack it from the front with two or three Shermans while one or two other Shermans attack from the sides, where it is easy mincemeat. Then there is also the Chaffee (Tank Destroyer with a MASSIVE gun), the Stuart (light tank), the Churchhill (British tank equivilent to the Sherman), and the Firefly (another British Tank which ain't that good).

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I learned a lot about tanks from "Close Combat: A Bridge too Far". About the best British tank is the Churchill AVRE. Basicly, a Chruchill, with its gun on steriods. 18 Centemeter gun. Horribly inaccurate, but it could blow up a steel reinforced concreat bunker in a hit.

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Originally posted by Captain Carnotaur:
**I think Alien means that he started all this WWII talk, and now you are posting tons about it. But anyway...

Only one inch of armor? I'm sure it had more than that. BTW, I heard once about a German Tiger tank that was hit 8 or 12 times by Sherman shells, and they didn't do a thing to it.

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The early Shermans averaged one inch of armor around the turrets, and about half an inch around the hull sides. And yes, that story about the Tiger is heard too often...The things were just too tough! Good thing the Tiger was complex, because had it fought in large numbers, the allied forces could have easilly routed. The later Shermans had about two inches of armor on the turret front, 1 and a half inches on the turret sides, and about an inch around the hull. The 88s could still handle them easilly, though...

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Originally posted by Captain Carnotaur:
**I don't think it was the armor of the Tiger tank that did it, it was the angle of the armor, the angle of the shot, and the size of the shot that made it so that the Tiger tank I talked about was able to survive 8 or 12 hits from Sherman tanks.

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No actually, Lenovoinian is right. The Tiger's armor had NO slope whatsoever. That's what made the Russian T-34 so successful...It's turret was completely sloped, and the Panther's 75mm shells were dubbed harmless, even though the T-34s armor wasn't top of the line. The Tiger's survival depended on the thickness of its armor, and had it only been sloped, it would have performed twice as well. The turret shape of the Tiger is shaped like an oval with totally flat sides.

By the way, if any of you have seen the movie "Battle of the Bulge", the German Tigers are depicted very badly in it. The "tigers" are actually American Pershing heavy tanks that are supposed to be Tigers...The real Tigers didn't look anything like they did in the movie. (The only reason they didn't use real Tigers in the movie was because there aren't any left )

Anyway, Carnotaur, the 75mm gun of the Sherman really never hurt the Tiger, unless it was a phosphorous shell or a high powered anti-tank gun...At VERY close rang.

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Originally posted by Captain Carnotaur:
**...and the Firefly (another British Tank which ain't that good).

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Now wait a minute, the Firefly might have been easy to destroy in the Close Combat games, (I have all five demos) but it's 12 pounder gun was nasty!!! If the Firefly was able to point its gun at you before you got a shot off, you were as good as dead, sometimes even in the Tigers.

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Well, even though they may have been good, in Combat Mission I didn't have very much of them in any of the scenarios and they always seemed to get picked off really easily.

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Originally posted by Captain Carnotaur:
**Well, even though they may have been good, in Combat Mission I didn't have very much of them in any of the scenarios and they always seemed to get picked off really easily.

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You mean the Firefly? Yes, personally, I didn't perfer it that much. Using it as an offensive weapon, especially in "A Bridge To Far" was suicide. Using the Firefly from a defended and well-protected position, you usually get better results. But tanks are not for defense, so I guess that's leaves us at the conclusion that the Firefly isn't a very suitable weapon. (They do get picked off pretty fast...The Germans love to shoot their panzerfausts at them) Oh well, there are better American tanks.

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Originally posted by Captain Skyblade:
**You mean the Firefly? Yes, personally, I didn't perfer it that much. Using it as an offensive weapon, especially in "A Bridge To Far" was suicide. Using the Firefly from a defended and well-protected position, you usually get better results. But tanks are not for defense, so I guess that's leaves us at the conclusion that the Firefly isn't a very suitable weapon. (They do get picked off pretty fast...The Germans love to shoot their panzerfausts at them) Oh well, there are better American tanks.:)

~Captain Skyblade**

Panzerfausts are VERY fun in a Bridge Too Far. German 1: Uh oh! Here comes big nasty 100 Requisition point Firefly! German 2: Good thing we have these Panzerfausts! BWOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMM German 1: Look at the shiny metal faling out of the sky, mommy!

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Unguided stuff is the best. You actually need to do more than hit whatever button fire is! (i haven't played in a while, ok?)
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I have found my book again and the tiger has armour thickness ranging from 0.98 inches to3.94 inches(2.5 cm to 10cm).

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Originally posted by Lonevoinian:
**Panzerfausts are VERY fun in a Bridge Too Far. German 1: Uh oh! Here comes big nasty 100 Requisition point Firefly! German 2: Good thing we have these Panzerfausts! BWOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMM German 1: Look at the shiny metal faling out of the sky, mommy!

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LOL! Perfect, description, Lenovoinian. I come close to screaming when I see a panzerfaust, since I usually play as the Americans, though I perfer the Germans. You know when one's coming...You here the nasty shreak of the launcher, and the horrible explosian of your once-operating tank.

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Originally posted by kiwi_a2:
**I have found my book again and the tiger has armour thickness ranging from 0.98 inches to3.94 inches(2.5 cm to 10cm).

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Sounds right...The Tiger's turret had most the armor. (Usually around the 3 inch range) while the hull skirts and track protectors had around an inch.

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What would happen if you fit a 2 inch gun on a tank and fired it at a Tiger? I'm thinking ultimate disintigration. However, is it even possible?

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Originally posted by Alien 5672:
**Okay, I'm tired of smacking me UE destroyers buds upside the head with my rockets by accident and having them blaze fury at me...
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(coming in on this thread a little late) In EV3, AI ships are much more tolerant about friendly fire - they will tend to ignore shots from the player that accidentally hit them. However, for those thinking they'll be able to use this to attack non-targeted enemy ships without retribution, you should know that a large number of hits will be responded to in kind...

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