This is trying to be another debate topic, not a fame topic.(ex. "INDYS SUX" "DO NOT!" "DO TOO"!)

The 4 questions:

Who has the best ships?

Who will counquer the others planets first?

Who will win in the end? Why?

If EVO were real life, who would you join? Why?

(changed question 2)
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(This message has been edited by Lonevoinian (edited 01-16-2001).)

Best ships: Renegades. HR have Turncoats while human Indys do not, and the NT/ST Renegades fly things like CW's and Laziras while the militias fly around pitiful fighters and aradas (sometimes).

Best planets: Indies, hands down. They have a collection of very nice worlds; the REnegades are limited to a handful of bases, half of which are stations as opposed to planets. Where would you rather live: A station like Freeport or a huge world like Iothe Prime?

Who will win in the end: No one, it will be a stalemate. The Indies are occupied with defending their own systems, and hence will never unite to drive the Renegade threat away. Even if they tried it wouldn't work; those surviving would merely re-organize and come back in another form. The Renegades also will never "win" because they aren't strong enough to totally overrun the Indy worlds; the fact that they're clearly divided into several factions (HR are, anyway) doesn't help em' out. The NT gades are pretty organized, but they'll never overrun the North Tip with the Zachit in their way.

Who would I join? An Independent militia....it'd show them how to fight in something OTHER from the weakest vessels in the bloody universe.

UEC

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1 - Renegades.
2 - Even
3 - Renegades or Independents (it depends on several crucial events)
4 - Renegades

To explain furthur on number 3, here is my version of events:
1-Renegade/Militia war continues on, neither side winning'
2-Renegades use their superior ships, power, and unifying spirit to start to push back and defeat Militia forces.

Here is the crucial part.

3-At this point, a major government may intervene. If the Igadzra or Azdgari come to the rescue of the ST Militia (strandless) the ST Renegades will loose. If they don't, the ST Militia will loose. If the UE help the Independents, then the Human Renegades loose. If they don't, then the Human Renegades win.

4-(continuing on the assumption that the militia loose) Renegades become more power and then become a major government, being a threat to even the major governments. UE easily loose against the Human Renegades, ST Renegades press against the Igadzra, the Azdgari loose all territories in the South Tip, NT Renegades press against the Zacha.

5-UE falls to continuing Voinian/Renegade incursions. Igadzra fall to Zidagar/Azdgari/ST Renegade forces. Zidagar start to loose in NT Asteroid belt. Zacha defeated. Miranu coreworlds in trouble. Renegades dominate the galaxy, etc. etc.

However, if any of the major governments DID intervene, then this is what would happen:

4-Human Renegades are pushed back by the UE. ST Renegades are crushed by the Igadzra and Azdgari. NT Renegades loose constantly to Zidagar and Zacha forces.

5-Human Renegades are almost gone. ST Renegades gone. NT Renegades gone. Human Renegades soon are destroyed. Voinians start to loose now that the UE can completely consontrate their navy on them. Zidagar/Igadzra/Azdgari war escilates.

6-Voinians fall to Emalgha/Hinwar/UE forces. Zidagar and Azdgari defeat Igadzra. However, the Azdgari have a slight tactical advantage, and soon the Zidagar are defeated.

7-Miranu are angered, declare war on Azdgari. Azdgari fight back. Miranu/Zacha loose immediately. UE help Miranu. All former Human and ST Renegade space taken by Azdgari. UE loose immediately to the superior Azdgari.

8-Miranu fall to Azdgari. UE continue to be pushed back and beaten by the Azdgari. Emalgha loose instantly. Former Voinian space in danger.

9-Core UE worlds fall to Azdgari (including Earth, bwa ha ha ha!). Northern Voinian space taken, though Azdgari suffer heavy lossess. Hinwar fall. Remaining UE/Hinwar/Emalgha forces fight valiantly. Azdgari suffer massive lossess, but soon they are the rulers of the galaxy after eliminating the last remaining UE/Hinwar/Emalgha forces.

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i would have to say either the Voinians, or the Zidigar have the best ships. (just because)

best planets, it is uncalculable- what is the judge? resorses? them its voinian. taken w/o domination?UE . overall? miranu

who will win in the end? if the strands would ever make peace, then they would easily conquer all the galaxy, but that won't happen any time soon.
and there will never be a complete ruler of the galaxy, b/c whoever rules, there will always be a band of renegades somewhere, doing what they want to w/o the gov't.

and by the way, EVO wouldn't happen in real, b/c one, voinians wouldn't hire any humans, the hinwar would never even get off the ground, and it would be a lot easier for a fleet to destroy a space station. think about it- in the nt renegade missions, all it takes is one impact from a renegade ship to knock the station out of orbit- any single ship could take out any station, by goin kamikaze on'em.

even so, i still say i'd be for the voinians and the adzgari, b/c they only have one main enemy- the zidigar. the renegades are extremely weak in the south.

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REDCHIG, this was a post about the Independents vs. the Renegades. I just added in all that stuff about all those other governments to show what I thought would happen if the Renegades were ever defeated.

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But the Azgari don't care about conquest. They just want some money so they can gas their ships up and go out and blast some more silly Zidigar and Igazra.

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Originally posted by Lonevoinian:
**Who has the best ships?
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Renegades

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Who has the best planets?
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Indies. They have several productive planets. The Renegades just have a few rag-tag bases(Freeport is built of crashed spacecraft - pretty cool, but not that good).

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Who will win in the end? Why?
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Depends on which plug you're playing

Seriously:
That's like saying: Who will win in the end? The Police of the Criminals? The pirates will never be able to band togather enough to overcome the indies, but there will always be more pirates as people get greedy and throw away thier morals for a few easy creidts.

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If EVO were real life, who would you join? Why?
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I would work for the best off indies until I got a lot of experience and a good ship, then I would help out the wrost off indies(The Zatchit, and then the Strandless). The reason: simple morals.

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Wait a second...

(This message has been edited by 21st Century Digital Boy (edited 01-15-2001).)

The problem with the Militia is because they are not united. The Renegades see them as easy game. They are united, the militia are not.

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I'm only discussing the Human renegades, because I never got too involved with the North and South Tip renegades.

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Originally posted by Lonevoinian:
Who has the best ships?

Renegades. The Turncoats give them a much bigger advantage over the independent militias.

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Originally posted by Lonevoinian:
Who has the best planets?

The independents. The renegade worlds are all crappy. Gorky and Freeport, for example, are full of brawling and crime. The independent worlds (Apollo, Iothe Prime) are actually pretty nice. Granted, they would be a lot nicer if the renegades weren't constantly attacking and stealing from them.

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Originally posted by Lonevoinian:
Who will win in the end? Why?

It all depends. No one will 'win.' No matter how hard the independents fight, there will always be space pirates.

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Originally posted by Lonevoinian:
If EVO were real life, who would you join? Why?

You mean it's not real?

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For the best ships: Its about even in the crescent, but in Human space the Renegades. Militia uses Kraits and Helians, Renegades have Kraits and Helians and Turncoats.

For the best worlds: Independent. They have peaceful, prosperous worlds with deceny names. All the renegades have are ugly worlds with ugly names (Gorky? Pariah?)

I gotta go with skyblade on who will win. He made a good point there.

Joining in real life? Ha ha ha... yeah... good one there, LoneVoinian, he he he...

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This is all soooo unimportant...

Right. No one can ever win. The renegades aren't united enough (or inclined) to conquer any planets, and like skyblade said, there will always be renegades. In the off chance that the renegades ever do gain complete control of a planet, it would just become a planet like gorky. Eventually, someone would rise up as the most powerful renegade and establish some sort of recognizable government. Anarchy has never been a stable condition.

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Originally posted by BattleDoctor:
**For the best ships: Its about even in the crescent...
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No it isn't. The Renegades will use C. Fighters, Aradas, Lizaras, and CW's. The Strandless(independants of the crecent) will only use C. Fighters.

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I don't know the Monty Python but I've got a lotta toys
My daddy is a Renegade, his name is Hellcat Helian
Wait a second...

REally? Well, I don't hang around strandless too much. I was mistaken (It's been known to happen) because I thought that strandless at least used aradas. That's pretty poor, only using c. fighters against ships like Crescent Warships. I stand corrected.

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(This message has been edited by BattleDoctor (edited 01-16-2001).)

I'm not really going to answer all the questions but what I would like to say is that the Independents are far better than the Renegades. First off, even though the Independents aren't really united they are far more unified than the Renegades. Now, I know this might be a 'flaw' in EVO but even after you join the Renegades or their planets appear friendly on your radar they still attack you. They are just plain stupid!! Besides... the Indy's are smart enough to have a small alliance with UE, which provides lots of protection.

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Everybody says the human renegades have better ships because they use the Turncoat, but never forget te krait, the helian and, I think, the Turncoat, have been invented by Lothe prime designers :D.

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I personally think the turncoat is one of the worst ships in the game and its damn slow! A cresent warship could take out four turncoats easily. A UE destroyer could kill 2 but not as easily. 3 zacha fighters could take a turncoat out np!

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Hey, good point. The turncouat really does suck.

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**Everybody says the human renegades have better ships because they use the Turncoat, but never forget te krait, the helian and, I think, the Turncoat, have been invented by Lothe prime designers:D.
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They were invented by Iothe Prime's technicians, but Iothe Prime doesn't use the Turncoat (don't ask me why), which gives the Human renegades a bit of an upper hand when it comes to ships.

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Hmm, if only the turncoat could be more like the one you meet in the UE cruiser missions :). Worth it then maybe, but as it stands I prefer the freight-courier for similar price, I think.

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The Iotheans do not use the Turncoat out of pride. It is of less quality than the Helian, although stronger, and it tends to fall apart mysteriously in the middle of battle. However, If the Iotheans started building Warships, freighters, and fighters of the same quality as the Helian, they could easily form an empire easily exceeding that of the Renegades.
This is just random speculation...
The human renegades, even the infamous Captains of Freeport, are crushed under the combined onslaught of the UE/Iotheans/ST renegades. The Iotheans colonize the barren Renegade worlds, although regretfully, and pump up ship production. They then, aided by the Strandless and Igadzra (although the Igadzra only fight for themselves, push the south tip renegades all the way up the side of the Crescent.
NOw here's where it gets tricky. The Iothean empire is growing with the aid of their Allies the UE, and the Igadzra are getting angry about the Intrusion into their space, and the Azdgari aren't harassing them as much. (they have to deal with the exiled South tip renegades, who are threatening their small amount of planets) Unwilling to fight a war on four fronts, the Igadzra cut off all hyperspace routes, blocking IOthean Expansion downward.
The UE are unable to help the rapidly growing Iothean Empire, for while they were pacifying te Renegades the Voinians have gained an advantage in the war. THe IOhean planets are getting crowded. If Iotheans didn't try to start a base on a planet they though to be deserted, who knows what would happen.
The planet turns out to be occupied by Miranu Scientists working on a new type of sensor device- the NPD. With the aid of Iothe, they penetrate far into the nebula and beyond, where ther are several worlds colonizable, many terraformable, and one with large deposits of a "certain ore." This ore is bronev, which is used in the armoring of Voinian warships. The Iotheans happily form a mining colony and, with the bronev, build a second generation of warships, with extremely strong hulls. Meanwhile, the MIranu take the samples back, and begin a frantic seach for more bronev- bearing planets- discovering three- all of which they claim for the Miranu.
The UE, interested in this wealth of planets, stop colonizations efforts to the north and claim two planets in the south.
Then, on it's last trip, the NPD opens a link into the heart of Voinian territory...

Anyway, that would be cool.

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