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Originally posted by Arada Pilot:
**Planets-
Neither. They both have bad planets. The only good ones are in the crescent.

weapons-
Voinians for primary, neutrons have high damage rating. but they are slow.
UE has better secondary with hunters, but their blaze cannons are low damage. also fast, though. I guess UE wins.

ships-
Voinians, by far!
voinian frigate=UE destroyer, they kill each other about evenly (depending on starting range-how many hunters are launched)
Voinian cruiser is better than UE carrier and UE Cruiser. It can have six turrets and fighters.
Voinians have heavy fighter and interceptor, UE only has one fighter. Even though the UE fighter can outrun any voinian ship easily, it usually fights and loses.
dont forget dreadnought, even if it is only in a mission, it is still amazing.

cause-
I don't know...

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WHoa! Lt's look at this, point by point:

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**Planets-
Neither. They both have bad planets. The only good ones are in the crescent.
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The Crescent has better planets, maybe. But the UE has better planets than the Voinians- Although Earth is a ship-producing factory, it has none of the pollution of Voina (whose atmosphere is "a slow poison to humans." Where would you live- Paaren or Dyeram? You choose.

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**weapons-
Voinians for primary, neutrons have high damage rating. but they are slow.
UE has better secondary with hunters, but their blaze cannons are low damage. also fast, though. I guess UE wins.
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Though the neturon weapons outclass blaze cannons, remember that you can get Neutron weapons in UE space upon completion of the Paaren Station missions.

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**ships-
Voinians, by far!
voinian frigate=UE destroyer, they kill each other about evenly (depending on starting range-how many hunters are launched)
Voinian cruiser is better than UE carrier and UE Cruiser. It can have six turrets and fighters.
Voinians have heavy fighter and interceptor, UE only has one fighter. Even though the UE fighter can outrun any voinian ship easily, it usually fights and loses.
dont forget dreadnought, even if it is only in a mission, it is still amazing.
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UE Destroyers usually win against Voinian Frigates- if it depends on who fires Hunter Missiles first, well, only UE craft have that weapon.
The Voinian Cruiser is better than the UE Cruiser! LOL!!!! Guess what? The UE Cruiser can carry 6 turrets and fighters (if you add a Crescent Fighter or Adzara bay to it, as well as the 5 UE Fighters. The UE Cruiser is better.
Fighters? That's a moot point- I'm not so sure.
Dreadnought? Well, they don't seem to want to build more than two (except in plug-ins)

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**cause-
I don't know...
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The answer here is obvious- UE. As the intro says (and it does not lie), the UE was attacked unprovoked by the Voinians. The UE is trying to defend itself AND it liberates slaves in the process.

And another thing, the whole stability of front thing and who will win the war, than about this...
Voinian missions- destroy 2 enemy colonies (Kelamon (if that it's spelling) and Verril Prime), gain no new territory
UE/Emalgha/Hinwar missions- take 5 systems away from the Voinian Empire (Avann, Obron, Gualon/Hinavar, that other Hinwar system, Romit) gain 2 new UE outposts (Omicron at Gernits and another at Obron), a new country (Hinwar) and a new Emalgha outpost (Romit)

The UE beats the Voinians overall.

God bless,

UE Patriot

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Although Earth is a ship-producing factory, it has none of the pollution of Voina (whose atmosphere is "a slow poison to humans."

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Originally posted by Lonevoinian:
**But maybe Earth's atmosphere is a slow poison to Voinians?
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Well, there's no indication of that. Besides, Voinia air is not very healthy for Voinians, either.

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(I would rather live on) **Dyram. Parren is inhabited by snobs.
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So Parren is inhabited by snobs. But what about Paaren? Anyway, maybe Paaren vs. Dyeram was a bad comparison. What about New Taranto vs. Dyeram? New taranto, a high-tech planet full of shipcrafters (including the lovely Anna Balashova), or Dyeram, constantly suffering a protracted gurellia (sic) war between Voinians and Dieri resistance forces?

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**Ummm... the UE Cruiser carries 5 Turrets max. The Voinian Cruiser carries 6. And did you per chance know that Voinian Cruisers can add Crescent Fighters bays and Adzara bays too?
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So maybe the Voinian Cruiser has 1 more turret (sorry, where I am I currently do not have access to Escape Velocity Override). But guess what? I have seen a UE Carrier destroy a Voinian Cruiser/ Plug, rmember that all UE warships have Hunter Missiles- a definite advantage-maker. So the UE Cruiser is better than the Voinian Cruiser.

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**But destroying Kelmaon effectivly takes the Emalgha out of the war. Sure, the emalgha will make some attacks, but they will be nowhere NEAR the previous strength. With that done, at least 50% of the Voinian forces on the Emalgha front can be moved to the UE front or, if they stay, destroy the rest of the Emalgha. And after that, 90% can be moved to the UE Front, with the remaining 10% being enough to easily take out any Miranu attacks, or at least hold them long enough to bring in renforcements.
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_Miranu(/I} attacks? Except in ROTV II, I don't recall any Voinian/Miranu fighting in EVO. By the way, I've never tride this, but I bet it is possible to do the Voinian missions and then do, not just the UE, but the Emalgha missions, too. As I recall, ** NONE** (/I} of the Emalgha missions take place on Kelamon. So you can destory Kelamon, turn over a new leaf and help the Emalgha conquer Romit. So ha ha ha!

By the way, why (I)do_ the Voinians enslave anybody (i)at all?

Actually UE Patriot that is how I play. Start with the Voinians and then switch sides. What can I say I love Bronev plating. I just wanted to say that UE fighters are tough on the Voinians. I have never had trouble with Voinian heavy fighters. If it wasn't for them where would I get all my rockets????

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Why are there no maroon ships?

I think voinian and Ue cruisers are too big to really enjoy. Frigates with upgraded speed are lots of fun and also are amazing in the cresent with an extra bromev layer. I like miranu gunships but thats my opinion.
PS Not playing on strict play ruins the game!

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I haven't been following this topic too well, so someone might have already brought up this point:

You say the Voinians must have more than 2.5 times more resources than the UE becuase Voinian ships cost 2.5 times more than the UE ships they lose to. Who says that the Voinians aren't just really greedy so they have a 300% markup on thier ships, while the UE only have, say a 50% markup.

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Cuz I'm a 21st Century Digital Boy
I don't know the Monty Python but I've got a lotta toys
My daddy is a Renegade, his name is Hellcat Helian
Wait a second...

UE Patriot, you are the most headstrong person ever. One, There is no proff that Earth air is bad for Voinians but their is no proff that Voinia air is bad for Voinians either. (not sure if you were serious about that but had to dispell it anyway). And of course the UE crusier can kick the V. cruisers ass. The Voinians have a more powerful ship, remember the dreadnought? Sure the dreadnought was a one time thing, but have you seen a single UE crusier in action?

Also, the intro doesn't lie? You and a human viewing human information. All probability the humans lie as much as the Voinians do. If I had to take a guess I would probably be similar to the start of the Mexican-American war.

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(This message has been edited by widowmaker (edited 01-03-2001).)

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Originally posted by widowmaker:
**UE Patriot, you are the most headstrong person ever. One, There is no proff that Earth air is bad for Voinians but their is no proff that Voinia air is bad for Voinians either. (not sure if you were serious about that but had to dispell it anyway). And of course the UE crusier can kick the V. cruisers ass. The Voinians have a more powerful ship, remember the dreadnought? Sure the dreadnought was a one time thing, but have you seen a single UE crusier in action?

Also, the intro doesn't lie? Your a human and absorbing human information. Also probability the lie as much as the Voinians.
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Ick, sorry about this people, everytime I try to edit my post and new one pops up with nothing in it. No, i'm not replying by accident.

So whats this about the intro not lying? You are a human viewing human information. All probability is that the UE is lying and much as the Voinians. If I had to take a guess, I'd say it would be that it started something like the Mexican-American war.

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I wonder if there's a way to have most of the weapon/race/ship debaites turn out like this one, instead of just a bunch of flames. Maybe just asking those four basic questions was all it took.

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I don't know the Monty Python but I've got a lotta toys
My daddy is a Renegade, his name is Hellcat Helian
Wait a second...

(QUOTE)posted by LoneVoinian
And how the HECK do you even begin to think that? A Voinian FRIGATE can take out a CW. Or any other crecent ship, for that matter, besides an Igazra and an Azdgari Warship. (QUOTE)
Because of the phase inefficiency against armor. Give a CW or any other crescent ship blazes instead of phases and it will kick any Voinian ship's ass. Even an AI Arada fully equipped with blazes (despite the nullity of blazes) will destroy a Voinian frigate.

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Originally posted by Zacha Pedro:
Give a CW or any other crescent ship blazes instead of phases and it will kick any Voinian ship's ass. Even an AI Arada fully equipped with blazes (despite the nullity of blazes) will destroy a Voinian frigate.(/B)

But where is a Crecent Ship going to get blazes? And there is no way an Arada could take out a Frigate. A Fighter, yes. A Frigate, no. It yould still be blown up rather quickly.

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The Person who misspells "Voinian" knows not of the 50 gigaton nuke coming at their cranium.

My objective is to live forever. So far so good.

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Originally posted by widowmaker:
**UE Patriot, you are the most headstrong person ever.
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The most headstrong person ever? Of all the billions of people since Adam and Eve? C'mon!

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**One, There is no proff that Earth air is bad for Voinians but their is no proff that Voinia air is bad for Voinians either. (not sure if you were serious about that but had to dispell it anyway).
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Well, when I said how Voinia's air is a slow posion for humans, Lonevoinian than said something like "But maybe Earth's air is a slow poison for Voinians." I replied that there is no evidence of Earth's air posioning Voinians. As for no proof that Voinian air is bad for Voinians, see this quote from Voina's planet description:

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Originally from the planet description of Voina in "Escape Velocity Override:"
The planet's atmosphere is a slow poison for humans and many other races, and is not that much betterfor the Voinians themselves. (Emphasis added)

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**And of course the UE crusier can kick the V. cruisers ass. The Voinians have a more powerful ship, remember the dreadnought? Sure the dreadnought was a one time thing, but have you seen a single UE crusier in action?
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Yes, I know that the dreadnought practically the most powerful craft in the galaxy, though it is a one time thing and you can destroy it, of course. But as for not seeing the UE Cruiser in action? Well, if you play the Voinian missions {I don't, but I've seen them in ResEdit, EV-Edit, Mission Control et al), you will face UE Cruisers in the final mission attacking Verril Prime (That's the reason why "UE Warships (incl. Cruisers) is a dude in the game).

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**Also, the intro doesn't lie? You and a human viewing human information. All probability the humans lie as much as the Voinians do. If I had to take a guess I would probably be similar to the start of the Mexican-American war.
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That's like saying the Star Wars intro texts are lying pieces of pro-Rebel propoganda. There's a difference between the Mexican-American War and the UE-Voinian War- the Mexican-American War actually happened. The UE-Voinian War, however, is purely the brainchild of the Ambrosia team and they can make it whatever they want- and from the evidence I've seen, the UE is definitely the "good guys" and the ones on the defense (at least in the start). If you can find any evidence otherwise, that the UE is really the aggressor, that the UE has a more repressive government etc., post it, but it better be from the game itself

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Originally posted by Lonevoinian:
**But where is a Crecent Ship going to get blazes? And there is no way an Arada could take out a Frigate. A Fighter, yes. A Frigate, no. It yould still be blown up rather quickly.

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Well, I should try it I have some (non-serious) plug-in making experience and I will make the two situations happen.
Generally, you can't say a ship is better because one destroys one another: for example an UE frigate blows a voinian frigate; a Voinian frigate blows a CW, and a CW blows an UE frigate; which ship is the best, when you only know this?

P.S.:I need training with the UBB code

I'm not interested in which side is 'the best'... My choice to work for the Voinians was taken because I thought it would offer a greater challenge than doing a good boy-scout job with the UE. I believe that several of the missions you may be required to do for the Voinians are much harder than their UE alternatives. Yup, even the dreadnaught missions.

Actually, I've also clocked the game several times as a good guy. Once for each strand, in fact, but I enjoyed being the bad guy most of all. One of the recruitment missions for the Voinians is beastly (the one where you intercept a fleet of freight-couriers at Pax), because you've probably got nothing better than a freight-courier yourself at that stage, but if you can win that one, you'll feel very satisfied. Try it, and enjoy...

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Ah, Voinian Ambassador, I was expecting you; welcome here!
In fact, StarWars intro is not rebel propaganda, but there is their point of view, which is also the truth. For the intro, I say it has the benefit of doubt, so we should try to defend the UE with realities, and to take the intro with care.
The CW, you're right, have never blazes, but I meant, LoneVoinian, that the CW is a better ship than the Voinian frigate, but that the fact it is sold with phases make him less powerful against a Voinian frigate. The fact that a CW losses against a Voinian ship is because of the phase, not because of the ship.

The difference is that the in the Star Wars intro it doesn't mention anything like we the rebels or we the imperials. It is objective, but in the EVO intro it says your a captin graduated from and UE Naval Academy! Now, i'm sure the information they gave you there was the truth.

As the for the UE curisers in the game, I looked back at it and you are right. There's one for the UE. But I still say that Voinians have better ships than the UE even though they lose to the UE in a even battle. If you averaged the Voinian shields+armor left after an individual battle with every ship in the game. And did the same with the UE, my bet is that the Voinians will come out ahead.

And yes, to my knowledge you are the most headstrong person i've ever talked to. Maybe with the exception of my soccer coach, but he's old and senile so it doesn't count

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Originally posted by widowmaker:
**The difference is that the in the Star Wars intro it doesn't mention anything like we the rebels or we the imperials. It is objective, but in the EVO intro it says your a captin graduated from and UE Naval Academy! Now, i'm sure the information they gave you there was the truth.

As the for the UE curisers in the game, I looked back at it and you are right. There's one for the UE. But I still say that Voinians have better ships than the UE even though they lose to the UE in a even battle. If you averaged the Voinian shields+armor left after an individual battle with every ship in the game. And did the same with the UE, my bet is that the Voinians will come out ahead.

And yes, to my knowledge you are the most headstrong person i've ever talked to. Maybe with the exception of my soccer coach, but he's old and senile so it doesn't count
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Well, I just checked the EVO intro and it does say "The Voinian War was upon us." But that's the only first-person reference to humanity in the intro. Also, though the intro may be biased (C'mon everybody, it's just a game!), where's the proof that it is lying- in the game? The intro says that the Voinians' main goal is obliteration of mankind. And what happens after you complete the last Voinian mission? The Voinians say they;ve got a plan which will result in "all human space looking like Verril Prime." Again, just because something is not 100% objective does not mean it is completely untrue.

So the Voinian have better ships despite the fact that the UE beats them most of the time? And how do we know? Because if you put the Voinian and UE ships against every ship in the game it turns out that the Voinians have more armor and shields left on their ships when they win? This is flawed for 2 reasons:

1. It is biased because the Voinians' armor makes them virtually invincible in the Crescent (since the Crescent has bascially nil armor)
2. Common sense dictates that if you want to know the better of two things, you compare them to each other

And I am the most headstrong person you've ever talked to? Well, you said I was the most headstrong person ever - as in my name should be in the Guiness Book of World Records under "MOST HEADSTRONG PERSON IN HISTORY." There's a difference, you know.

P.S. I would stop killing other people's spouses if I were you
(That's a joke)

God bless,

UE Patriot

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"The glory of God is man fully alive"- some saint whose name I can't remember
Voinian lovers are ignorant of the UE marines taking over Borb Station.
Reign of the UE: Coming this year!

(This message has been edited by UE Patriot (edited 01-07-2001).)

It seems everybody says the Voinian Cruiser is better because it has 6 turrets. Do not forget that neutron turrets, on the contrary of the blzaes and phase turrets, fire as fast as the cannon, not twice as fast. So, to maintain a decent firepower the Voinian need many turrets slots. I know this do not counts when it is your ship, as you can buy the kind of turrets you like.

Furthermore, the UE Cruiser and Dreadnough are roughly comparable (I mean we can see both in both UE/Voinian missions) but the UE cruiser is superior in 2 ways: First we can see the UE Cruiser in the universe after the missions (If you don't see UE Cruiser after Anna Balashova's misssions download EVO 1.0.2), not the Dreadnough except in the missions, and we can purchase the UE Cruiser if you are with the UE, not the Dreadnough with Voinians.

P.S. I think I should one day make a sig (a funny one!)

(This message has been edited by Zacha Pedro (edited 01-08-2001).)

(This message has been edited by Zacha Pedro (edited 01-08-2001).)

First, I'm not sure you read all my post, not only does it say that the voinian war was upon us but it says you just graduated from a UE training school. Now, that is clearly biased. Plus you cant get much of an argument that the Voinian cause was better. All I'm saying is, they were not "Ships from the depths of space.... with one intention... obliteration"

Next, so your going to call the Voinians having great armor a flaw. Well, what if I call hunter missles a flaw as the Voinians have nothing to counter them. Its the same case with the cresent, they have nothing to counter armor.

Common sense tells you to compare things eh.. Okay I need to put a nail in the wall and I have 2 tools a screwdriver and a hammer. The hammer is far more effective so the hammer must be the better tool.

Finally, no, of course you couldn't be put into the book of world records as the most head-strong person ever, a decision like that would be far to subjective.

P.S. do I tell you what to do in your free time? I only tell you what to think

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