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      Yes, this isn't EVO related... however, you're the people I know, so I want your opinions... whatcha think of my paper? I'm in the middle of editing, so things are kinda sloppy (I just moved paragraph #3 into paragraph #1's spot.... and the such)....

      An Analysis of Cliques
      Period 2 Expos

      Clique, n: A small, exclusive group of friends or associates.

      The dictionary offers such a simple definition for a very complex social issue. Cliques are naturally formed in every high school; students associate with others who share their taste, style, and interests. Students who do not fit in with a certain group are excluded and in some cases, ridiculed. Pressure on High School students is immense, and the added social pressure given by Cliques is sometimes too much to take. Adolescents are psychologically fragile, and mistreatment from schoolmates leaves deep wounds. (Time Magazine, 1999) Situations like those at Columbine High School emerge every so often and change the way American society looks at High Schools forever. Cliques and social exclusion are often blamed on high school shootings. Dawn Yow, an opinion writer comments,

      Cliques in high schools are a microcosm of a society dominated by hierarchies. Look around. It is hard to find one fully united school, devoid of the intricate social castes. In the wake of the now-infamous Columbine High School shooting, society was mercilessly slapped with t he harsh effects of cliques, and temporarily forced to reexamine the complicated social hierarchy that confronts students during their most formative years.

      How much of an effect do Cliques have on the High School student? Could they really be the cause of such a horrible situation like Columbine?

      How and why do Cliques form? There are two separate environments that Cliques can develop in, the large public High School and the small private High School. The large High Schools’ Cliques form based on interest; sports, drugs, school/homework, computers, chess, etc. The private High Schools’ Cliques (or sometimes, Clique) form in a little more complicated way. My own class has had a set and defined Clique ever since I came to SPA in 2nd grade. Back in 2nd grade it did not dawn on me that the class was separated. I was friends with those that I “play” with on weekends. Slowly, throughout elementary school, I began to realize that a large group of friends had formed and did things on weekends as groups. How had this group formed? Dawn Yow comments,

      Popularity is Genetic. As in any other school, fitting in or being popular is really a gift. You have to be blessed with strikingly good looks that will cause massive salivation in the opposite sex or have the muscle mass to indulge yourself in team sports in order to start wearing the "jock" label. These traits supposedly shower a sense of elitism upon those who possess them, instantly making them people with the most clout and giving them the authority to revile those who are different as geeks, freaks, punks or other unmentionable expletives.

      In a sense, this is how the Clique formed back in 2nd grade. The outgoing kids who could hold a air of importance about themselves were flocked to and befriended by others with that same ‘gift’. I was friends with a few individuals in the group, but I’d never dream of doing anything with any of their friends. Slowly, as we were all ready to go off to Middle Schools, those friendships broke apart and I just stopped spending time with them. The Clique had already formed long before most of its members even entered the school. Chuck Fisher, SPA school counselor, says that he has noticed the same thing. Teachers can even point out the “popular” Clique when all the new students (new transfers and elementary) come into 7th grade. New members are added depending on first impressions. Members of this huge Clique limit their social interaction to only other members of the Clique. Certain members may have best friends within the Clique, or even enemies, but they all stick together for power in numbers. Cliques in smaller schools form for the same reasons as those in larger schools, but the guidelines are very different. Not everyone in the SPA Clique enjoys playing sports or skateboarding or doing drugs, but regardless, they do something special and they believe that elevates them above the others.

      Cliques have been present in High Schools for the past 60 years. It is natural for students to group together with those most similar to themselves. Sandra Roe, a graduate of St. Paul Academy, remembers how divided her class was in the 1940’s. She mentions that there was a defined group of “popular” girls at the school and the others girls always tried to fit in with them. They experienced the same kind of social exclusion as kids in today’s High Schools do. Sandra’s group would single out seven or eight girls and be especially cruel to them. In her days, the administration and faculty never discussed social problems with the class. Class activities forced interaction among all the students, but the Cliques remained intact. By the end of her High School career, Sandra realized what an awful place the school was for social development. She felt guilty about how she and her friends had treated the girls who were not in her clique. Sandra went so far as to promise, “I never want to interact with SPA again.” Mixed with today’s society, Cliques have evolved into an even more powerful entity. Sandra’s high school experience was very different from today’s high school student’s. Sandra attended an all girls school, which offers a very different environment for students. What with most schools being co-ed today, students act differently around each other. Students do things to impress the opposite sex, including showing their dominance over another student. Students are more worried about their reputation, and what better way to make yourself feel better than to make someone else feel worse? During Sandra’s time, drugs and sex were not as prevalent among teenagers. In today’s society, drugs are widely used, and kids are having sex at a much younger age. Chuck Fisher, SPA school counselor agrees that both of these factors contribute to the tightening of Cliques. “It adds the element of secrecy to the group. If they go out and smoke pot or have sex, it must be kept within the group, and that leads to tightened bonds.” (Personal Interview, 2000).

      Two different Clique environments exist. Those at schools with small class sizes, like SPA, and those at schools with enormous class sizes. The small class size schools usually have one main clique, like during Sandra’s SPA time, or my current grade level at SPA. Jason Floyd attends Wayzata High School, with over 1000 people in each grade level. He says that there are over 15 different cliques that he knows of. Jason commented,

      I’m guessing that a school like Wayzata has a much more diverse population than your SPA. That just means that there are many different kinds of groups that students can form. Some get along with others, but there are often conflicts among the members of different cliques. It’s like one big gang war, toned down a little bit. (Personal Interview, 2000)

      Columbine High School is much more like Wayzata than it is like SPA. Columbine and Wayzata both have enormous class sizes and multiple cliques. When asked if he could see any aspects of Columbine in his own school, Jason said, “Yeah, there’s the same kind of clique division. I could even point out for you the ‘outsiders’ like Klebold and Harris.” (Personal Interview, 2000) However, the shootings didn’t happen just because the outsiders existed. It had to do with the individual situation for each of the students. Chuck Fisher says that you can’t say, in general, why Columbine happened in general. You must look at the individual circumstances for each of the killers. They were outsiders and they were ridiculed by the more popular boys, but their outside interests are what made them violent; their interest in hate websites and weapons. (Personal Interview, 2000). The ridicule and exclusion may have given them something to be mad about, but their outside of school activities gave them what they thought was a solution to their problem.

      Cliques and social exclusion have a major impact on High School students. High School is usually the toughest time for teenagers. It’s the time of greatest physical and mental growth of their entire lives. The added pressure of grades, sports, the opposite sex, parents dwarves the pressure of social exclusion and cliques. Columbine is a one of a kind situation, despite the fact that numerous other high school shootings have taken place (which are all unique in themselves). As Chuck Fisher says, it must be looked at on an individual level. Harris and Klebold both had family issues, liked the idea of harming others, were obsessive over the Clique divisions, and were into hate propaganda.

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      (This message has been edited by Flatulence (edited 11-28-2000).)

      This post has been edited by Flatulence : 09 February 2005 - 02:04 AM

    • In the words of my fellow friend Bart Simpson... "Boooooorrriing!!"

      Other than that... great!! 🙂 It is soo true though... I just moved to a new high school and our freshman class is sooo cliqué! I like middle school better. Okay well hope you get a good grade!

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    • Neh. It's not meant to be interesting, it's mean to be a "Journalistic Essay"... I also hope I get a good grade 😄

      Middle school kinda sucks. Upper school = driving & Hotter girls = better.

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    • Nice report man. You deserve an A+ so far.

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    • Whateva dude. Right now High School sucks cause I'm with a bunch of cliqué prep geeks who listen to gay music and wear abercrombie and fitch.

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    • oh, the abercrombie... sigh... maybe I sound irrational, but I can't stand abercrombie. I wear Bugle Boy jeans and Adidas sweatshirts.... every day 😄

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    • Good for a "Journalistic Essay"!

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    • I wear Old Navy. hehe...

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    • Abercrombie makes you pay lots o $$$ to walk around as an add. I meen, all their clothing is plastered all over with their name. People must realize that?

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    • Quote

      Originally posted by Flatulence:
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      Middle school kinda sucks. Upper school = driving & Hotter girls = better.

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      I know, there are some hot girls at my school. However, taking college-prep classes sucks, even though they are easy.

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    • Hi Flatty, a couple of comments on your paper:

      First, this paragraph:

      Chuck Fisher says that you can’t say, in general, why Columbine
      happened in general. You must look at the individual circumstances for each of the killers. They were outsiders and
      they were ridiculed by the more popular boys, but their outside interests are what made them violent; their interest
      in hate websites and weapons.

      You repeat "in general" in the first sentence so that it becomes almost meaningless. Something like "Chuck Fisher's opinion is that it is difficult to draw a direct causational relationship between cliques and what happened at Columbine" would be more what you are trying to say, I think.

      Also, in that paragraph, just a minor point of grammar: the punctuation after "violent" should be a colon ( 🙂 rather than a semi-colon ( ;).

      Overall, I like the essay. You might want to talk about why cliques form and the potentially positive aspects (if any) of cliques, just so you can be seen to have given the subject a fair treatment.

      For example, everyone (pretty much) has the desire to belong. In the teenage years, this is particularly strong as we are seeking to determine our own identity as opposed to simply being identified as the children of our parents. We are in the process of becoming individuals and this is much easier (ironically) in a group, where you can receive emotional support for the new views (fashion, music, political opinions) that you are now taking on (sometimes in direct opposition to the views of your parents.)

      The question which is more interesting for me, is not, why do young people join cliques, (which is easily answered - to get a sense of belonging among their peers) but rather, what features of cliques make them harmful?.

      You have touched on this in your paper in a couple of places, but as an aside. You might want to structure your paper a little differently, so that this point gains more prominence. eg:

      1. The fact of cliques (with your quotes from Time etc)
      2. Why kids join cliques (the sociological analysis - the need to belong)
      3. The negative aspects of cliques
      - inclusion in a clique necessarily means EXCLUSION of others who don't meet the strict criteria for acceptance (eg, good looks, intelligence, sports ability
      - the behaviors - eg putting down others etc.
      4. Conclusions (cliques form an important function and are to be expected, BUT have this downside which must be watched/fought against.)

      I think the moviews Romi and Michelle's High School Reunion and The Breakfast Club are classics in showing how the fact of cliques distances people from each other - and what can be done to break down those barriers.

      I find it interesting that in times of crisis (Columbine, war generally), sociological groupings tend to fall apart and people lean on each other more easily, unaware (or just ignoring) their differences. The challenge is how to get that to happen in a non-crisis situation.

      Anyway, just some thoughts - I hope some of them are helpful

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    • This belongs on the B&B;, were many, many, many more people would respond and help.

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    • Let's see...corrections I'd make are in bold. And, like OF said, this would be better on Banter & Brawl--of course, you never visit that board...

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      ...deep wounds (Time Magazine, 1999). (period after citation)... How much of an effect do Cliques have on the h igh s chool student...large public h igh s chool and the small private h igh s chool. The large h igh s chools’ Cliques form based on interest...The private h igh s chools’ Cliques (or sometimes, Clique)...My own class has had an unchanging Clique ever ...I was friends with those that I “play ed ” with on weekends...Slowly, as we were all ready to go off to m iddle s chools, those friendships broke apart and I just stopped spending time with them...

      Never mind, I quit. I have to go to class. When you think about it, we the web boarders are a clique in some ways too...the "geek clique", if you will. 🙂 Just a thought...

      And Flatty, this looks like an excellent job. Good work, mon! 🙂

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      (This message has been edited by shayborg (edited 12-01-2000).)

    • I'm closing this topic because it's not EV/O-related. I'm moving it to the "Just Chat" board, if anyone still wants to post to it.
      Jude

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