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      I hope no ones already started a debate on this anyway, I'm being rushed, so I have to end this.

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      Lightning for the reason that it is a shipboard fighter as well.

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      Originally posted by Admiral Falcen:
      **I hope no ones already started a debate on this anyway, I'm being rushed, so I have to end this.
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      The games been out for five years. There are countless Lighning vs. Rapier debates, and the issues have been discussed to death more times than I care to imagine. Pretty much every poll that is possible has been done.

      That said, the Rapier. It makes a great player ship, as it is heavily armed, and even more maneuverable than a Corvette. You can do a lot in a Rapier. However, and AI Lightning will beat and AI Rapier. The Rapier stands no chance against the missiles on a Lightning.

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      There's nothing wrong with recurring polls, though we did just have this one within a week or two.

      Rapier.

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      Lightning all the way! For one thing they're way faster and the Rapier has absolutely no hope of dodging or outrunning missiles, while the torpedoes can be easily dodged and evaded until it runs out of fuel. But the Rapier does have an advantage in one reguard, in that it's rear laser turret keeps the lightning from continually staying behind it and raining down lasers all day long (or until the rapier blows up), but the Lightning still has the speed advantage, plus Heavy rockets and Javelins which, at close range can be very effective on slow-moving fighters like the Rapier. The Rapier also has rockets, but turning on the afterburner and going right or left real fast will let the rocket just zoom by. The Lightning is just better (BTW, this is if the two ships have no weapon, speed or shield addons other than afterburners)

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      Lightning. Put speed ahead of firepower any time (and even then, the Lightning boasts an excellent amount of firepower). Not only that, but I personally believe the Lightning is the better-looking fighter...

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      I agree. Lightnings may be weaker, but hey, I like 'em better! Yes, the Rapier AI may beat a Lightning AI, but that's just 'cuz of the torpedoes. 😛

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      I had already run an AI clash between the Rapier and Lightning a while back, but did so again tonight to refresh my memory. The outcome was just as Myriad said: the Lightning just demolishes the Rapier. It's not even pretty. The Lightning is just too quick and deadly with those missiles.

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      Originally posted by PlanetPhil:
      **I had already run an AI clash between the Rapier and Lightning a while back, but did so again tonight to refresh my memory. The outcome was just as Myriad said: the Lightning just demolishes the Rapier. It's not even pretty. The Lightning is just too quick and deadly with those missiles.

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      The Rapier would kick ass if it used the torps. The AI lightning is much better, but thats all. With speed upgrades the rapier is near the lightning, and it can carry more cargo+weapons. Nevermind the better sheilding. My vote goes for Rapier.

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      Originally posted by Demosthenes:
      **The Rapier would kick ass if it used the torps. The AI lightning is much better, but thats all. With speed upgrades the rapier is near the lightning, and it can carry more cargo+weapons. Nevermind the better sheilding. My vote goes for Rapier.
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      I think with all three upgrades, the Rapier is identical to the Lightning in terms of speed an maneuverablity. As for the torpedoes, the Rapier will only use them on targets that are slow enough. That's why you'll be torpedoed in your courier, but not in an upgraded Corvette.

      That's what's so great about the Rapier. Sell the torp. launcher and you can arm yourself with enough missiles to kill a dozen Lightnings. Of course I usually prefer to eschew ranged weapons entirely. Go in close and blast 'em to blazes!

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      Originally posted by Demosthenes:
      **The Rapier would kick ass if it used the torps. The AI lightning is much better, but thats all. With speed upgrades the rapier is near the lightning, and it can carry more cargo+weapons. Nevermind the better sheilding. My vote goes for Rapier.

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      Actually, even if the AI Rapier did use its torpedoes against a Lightning, chances are, they'd miss. The Lightning is just too fast for the Rapier (and its torpedoes), and the amount of firepower it can project in a short matter of time is far better. Save the torpedoes for the warships, just like they were intended for...

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      Originally posted by Captain Skyblade:
      **Actually, even if the AI Rapier did use its torpedoes against a Lightning, chances are, they'd miss. The Lightning is just too fast for the Rapier (and its torpedoes), and the amount of firepower it can project in a short matter of time is far better. Save the torpedoes for the warships, just like they were intended for...

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      I can't say I agree. In typical AI fights they charge at eachother blindly. Even if it did miss, it is quite likely to get it eventually. Torps have a longer life than missles.

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      Originally posted by Demosthenes:
      **In typical AI fights they charge at eachother blindly. Even if it did miss, it is quite likely to get it eventually. Torps have a longer life than missles.
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      In actual AI tests, the lifespan of the torpedo isn't even an issue. The Lightning is so swift and agile and unloads its missiles so quickly, the Rapier typically has no time to even fire.

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      Originally posted by Demosthenes:
      **I can't say I agree. In typical AI fights they charge at eachother blindly. Even if it did miss, it is quite likely to get it eventually. Torps have a longer life than missles.

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      As Phil said, the Lightning's speed is the weapon against torpedoes. I've watched AI Lightnings and Rapiers fight before, and one-sixth of the torpedoes fired directly at the Lightnings end up missing, thanks to the swift speed of the fighter...

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      Guess what I'd say.

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      Originally posted by SilverDragon:
      **Guess what I'd say.

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      Er, Lightning? 😉

      I guess since you take such a liking for the Crescent Fighter of Override, you'd prefer the Lightning...

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      Every month or so, a new Lightning-Rapier poll starts... 😉

      Anyway, I vote Lightning.

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      Originally posted by Luke:
      **Every month or so, a new Lightning-Rapier poll starts...;)

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      Well, if I remember correctly, the last poll was very close (if not in favor of the Rapier). This poll has had different results so far...

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      In a dogfight, the Lightning would win hands-down. However, the Rapier wasn't meant to be a dogfighter. Its a fighter that takes on captial ships, which it does quite well. Its heavier and more powerful; its rockets and torpedos can rip apart fleets when they fly in packs of 3; Lightnings are, more or less, pests when it comes to this.

      End result: for the sake of this arguement, the Lightning wins. That is only due to its speed, not because the Rapier is a bad ship. But if the Rapier ditched the torpedo launcher for some missiles and had some speed upgrades, though, it would obliterate the Lightning. heavy rockets > missiles

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      FYI: Rapier-Lightning-defender poll (url="http://"http://www.AmbrosiaSW.com/webboard/Forum6/HTML/001784.html")http://www.AmbrosiaS...TML/001784.html(/url)

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