Okay, here's some statistics on the ships now in use by the Confederation.
Patrol Ship, Gunboat, Frigate: exactly as in EV.
Cruiser: Most have gone through Cruiser Upgrade Program 2, but some are still CUP-1.

The CUP-1 cruiser has 110% the armour of a standard cruiser. The CUP-2 has 120% the shields of a standard cruiser, 110% armour, a particle beam cannon, and a fighter bay which can hold six fighters and supports both patrol ships and gunboats. As for the Osprey, apart from what you see in the post where I introduced it, I'm not giving you any statistics until you see it in battle. TNY and Atinoda are remarkably leak-proof.

Oh, and Macavenger, even if I do introduce the SD boat, it may not be in exactly the same form as in current versions of Talon. It's not quite a "finished" concept in version 1.8, and I'm still thinking about a few possible changes I could make to it.

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Okay, Skyblade, here's the Typhoon Carrier:

250 Shields, 60 Armor. 6 Star Cobras, 6 Starscreamers, 3 Turbolaser Turrets, 10 Torpedoes.

Komodo armored frigate: 120 shields, 500 Armor. 7 Turbolaser Turrets, Compressor Beam, 2 Bomb Racks and 30 Precision Bombs, 3 Firefoxes. About the speed of David's Stellar Defense Boat.

Firefox light fighter: 30 Shields, 5 Armor. 5 Turbolasers, 5 Torpedoes and a Launcher, 3 Missiles and a Launcher, light Compressor Beam. (Just a guess.)

The Firefox can carry a weakened version of the Compressor Beam, which is also much lighter than the original.

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Admiral Devon entered Jonathan Navarone's office. "Sir, Palshife has informed us that the new Komodo-class armored frigate is now entering production."

"Good, good." replied Navarone. "Get me Commander Vaten."

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Commander Sa'amo Vaten walked into Navarone's office. "You asked for me, Mr. Navarone?"

Navarone spoke: "Yes, yes, Commander. You know that we are now producing a new ship, the Komodo armored frigate. Your fleet is going to be merged with Commander Overrider's fleet to form the 121st Naval WIng, which Overrider will lead. You will be given an experimental fleet, the 17th X-Group . It will be comprised of Typhoon Cruisers, Komodos, Firefoxes, Star Cobras, and Starscreamers. The fighters should be able to offset the slower speed of the warships. You will be given a Komodo, which you will be to upgrade."

"Yes, sir," replied Vaten. "This Komodo sounds like a powerful ship. Is it a match for the Confederation Osprey?"

"We think so, but that is exactly what you will be testing, Commander."

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A distress call played in the bridge of the C.N.S. Macdonald. "Mayday, mayday! This is United Galactic Express flight 02347 to anyone who can hear me. We're under attack by a pair of Kestrels. Please assist immediately."

"Well, this seems to be as good a time as any to give the Osprey a test run," remarked David Arthur. "Helmsman, set a new course."

The vessel turned and flew in the direction of the signal at a high velocity.

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"This is ISN, the Interstellar News Network. Today's broadcast is brought to you by Galactel - in space, no one can hear you chat, unless you take advantage of our free limited time offer. The Confederate heavy cruisers C.N.S. Aberhart and C.N.S. Woodsworth disappeared today on a patrol of the galactic fringes. Navy officals were not available for comment, but reliable sources indicated that the ships are presumed destroyed. Rebel High Command disclaimed responsibility for these attacks. In other news, a court on the neutral planet of New Istanbul in the Yemuro system..."

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A particle beam blazed through the wings of the pirate Kestrel Death's Head. The drive section of the ship was quickly ripped to shreds, and the long-feared vessel exploded in a cloud of antimatter. A trio of gunboats drove off the one surviving Lightning fighter that was still harassing the UGE courier. The captain of the second Kestrel obviously did not wish to try his luck against the unrecognised agressor, as his ship jumped to hyperspace a moment later. The strange vessel followed his example, jumping in the direction of the Core Worlds before the captain of the cargo vessel could even identify her rescuers.

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"I think that can be counted as a success." David Arthur congratulated his crew. "Now, let's get back to Earth and let the MOD know how things have gone."

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Since I created the Firefox, I'll supply the accurate statistics for it.

Rebellion F-41A Firefox medium fighter as seen in Talon
As the number of sympathetic corporations grew, the Rebellion was able to commission a new starfighter to complement the Manta, which is outdated by any standards. The result was the F-41A Firefox medium fighter. Powered by twin MN-004 engines, and boasting substantial advances in shields and armament, this new part of the Rebel fleet is more than a match for the Confederate policeships (patrol ships) and gunboats.
Shields/armour: 35/0
Shield recharge rate: 9
Top speed/acceleration: 500/900
Turn rate: 120°/sec
Fuel: 3 jumps
Cargo/free mass/total mass: 3 tons/5 tons/15 tons
Cost: 360,000 credits
Weapons: 3 swivel laser cannons, 1 heavy rocket & launcher, 1 torpedo launcher and 5 torpedoes
Crew: 2

Oh, and the Firefox is not designed to be launched from another ship, but I'll suppose I'll waive that point.

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Originally posted by Sattomax:
"Yes, sir," replied Vaten. "This Komodo sounds like a powerful ship. Is it a match for the Confederation Osprey?"

With all due respect, there's no way you can tell yet whether anything is a match for an Osprey, because you know very little about the Osprey. Wait until you've fought it and see some statistics.

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Originally posted by Macavenger:
And David, about the hyper-alarm at Ruby... just so you know, my fleet isn't large by this topic's standards, but I'm sure you could detect it anyway, so I'll give you that one, no problems.

I didn't say it was large, only that the scientists at Ruby felt that it was best to evacuate when they saw it coming. Anyway, the move to Earth had planned for some time, you just hurried it up a little. The current Minister of Defence could never see why research was being done so far from most of the Confederation and so close to the rebellion. It was one of his predecessor's ideas. As for the hyperspatial early warning system, you're not going to see it - or the SD boat, for that matter - entering service quite yet.

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Originally posted by David Arthur:
The Confederate heavy cruisers C.N.S. Aberhart and C.N.S. Woodsworth disappeared today on a patrol of the galactic fringes. Navy officals were not available for comment, but reliable sources indicated that the ships are presumed destroyed. Rebel High Command disclaimed responsibility for these attacks.

Don't tell me you're trying to bring back the aliens here. If you do, it's going to make for one ugly FFA, because they aren't going to be on anyone's side.

Can someone review the overall situation in the universe right now? Specifically, which Confederate worlds we've captured? That kind of data would be available to civilians, but I can't remember which worlds we've got. I need to know so I can plan more raids.
Also, David, how are you going to deal with the loss of the mining center/weapons factory on New Providence? I don't think you can pack up something like that and ship it off on 10 minutes notice, and in any case, where would it be moved to?

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A rebel spy jotted down a quick note to High Command on a public-access computer terminal. "Urgent. Observed unknown vessel in action against pirates, believed to be Fed. Osprey. Looks like it must have at least 600 shields, and recharge rate of no more than 120. Saw it fire turreted particle beam, torpedoes. Launched three Fed. Gunboats. Pirate Kestrel, 4 Lightnings destroyed in less than 30 seconds."

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"And now for the financial news from Levo Public Television, brought to you in part by a grant from the Locari Chamber of Commerce. Atinoda stock jumped ten points today after the public announcement of a new starship construction agreement with the Confederate Navy and Terran Naval Yards. It was a good day too for CDX Starworks, which was raised to a strong 'buy' by several analysts after opening a new factory on New Istanbul, although they have yet to announce what they're building there. Centauri Spacelines was up a bit after the Yemuran court announced that they would take its lawsuit against the Rebellion, but it's still at less than half its value from before the Rebel invasion of Capella. The Sirius Cybernetics Corporation dropped still further due to the fact that their entire operation including all factories has been nationalised by the Rebellion."

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Originally posted by Macavenger:
Don't tell me you're trying to bring back the aliens here. If you do, it's going to make for one ugly FFA, because they aren't going to be on anyone's side.

Don't worry. What I'm doing is a little bit more complex than that, and more interesting. I don't think it will be ugly or messy.

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Originally posted by Macavenger:
Can someone review the overall situation in the universe right now? Specifically, which Confederate worlds we've captured? That kind of data would be available to civilians, but I can't remember which worlds we've got. I need to know so I can plan more raids.

I believe the rebellion has Rigel, Capella, and Sirius, although they're suffering from resistance attacks now, and Ruby and Antares Station has been destroyed.

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Originally posted by Macavenger:
Also, David, how are you going to deal with the loss of the mining center/weapons factory on New Providence? I don't think you can pack up something like that and ship it off on 10 minutes notice, and in any case, where would it be moved to?

In case you've forgotten, New Providence was an ~Astex~ mining operation, not a Confederate facility. While its destruction did severe damage to Astex's profits, the nation was not seriously harmed. As for the alleged weapons facility, the MOD has seen no evidence to substantiate any claims of Confederate involvement in an illegal operation for which Astex has been required to pay a large settlement to the government of Diphida II.

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I know for a fact that Stardock Alpha had been destroyed, severly crippling much of the ship-building capabilities of the Confederation. I think Capella has either been taken by the Rebellion or destroyed.

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The Rebels control the Capella, Sirius, Rigel systems, and Macavenger implied once that we control Eridani also. Ruby's facility, Antares Station, and Stardock Alpha have been destroyed, and I believe that the Confederation has about eleven warfleets left.

Captain Skyblade controls the 213th Naval Division, Overrider720 (Commander Overrider) now controls the 121st Naval WIng, Sattomax (Commander Vaten) controls the 17th X-Group, and Macavenger controls an independant fleet.

Rebel ships in service are: Manta, Firefox, Star Cobra, Starscreamer, Komodo, Rebel Destroyer, Rebel Cruiser, "C" Class Rebel Cruiser, and Typhoon Carrier.

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Originally posted by Captain Skyblade:
I know for a fact that Stardock Alpha had been destroyed, severly crippling much of the ship-building capabilities of the Confederation.

Crippling the ship-building capabilities of the Confederation? Stardock Alpha didn't build any ships, it only served as a platform for upgrades and repairs. Terran Naval Yards is on Luna, and the Ospreys are being built by Atinoda in its own factories on Earth and across the galaxy.

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Originally posted by Captain Skyblade:
**Hmmm...That's encouraging, especially after the hours I spent writting the Battles of Turin and Stardock Alpha.:)
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Sorry. I didn't mean to be offensive it's just getting hard to read

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Originally posted by Sattomax
**...now Overrider controls the 121st divsion.....
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96th Sattomax. 96th

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Commander Overrider walks on to his new weapon upgraded Cruiser called Phantom's Shadow equipped with:

1 Cloaking Device
9 Proton Turrets
5 Missle Racks
80 Missels
12 Escape Pods

Overrider pilots Phantom's Shadow to meet Skyblade.

"Ahhh Commander Overrider so good to see you! Thanks for saving me in Sol. Now this new Confederation design; the Osperay the prototype must be destroyed. To save your fleet I will ask you to take half of Navail Divsion 96 to destroy the Osperay to prove it is weak."

"Gladly. I'll be back with all my fleet"

"Good to here it!! Now move!"

Commander Overrider thought it would be easy. But he and Phantom's Shadow would find out the hard way...........

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The C.N.S. Macdonald came in for a landing at the Toronto spaceport. David Arthur could see lined up in the hangar bay the other eight Ospreys that were ready. "Get me the MOD in my office," he instructed an ensign, and went off in the direction of the computer terminal.

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"This is the ISN Morning News. The formerly luxurious planet of Capella spent the night in darkness as civilian resistance knocked the power grid offline. CDX Starworks announces that its facility on New Istanbul will create over 7000 new jobs. But first..."

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By the way, Overrider720, how does it prove a ship is weak if it takes half a fleet to destroy it?

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(sarcasm) Thanks for reminding me that I destroyed Ruby and Antares Station, guys. You forgot that I destroyed the mines on New Providence too. (/sarcasm)

Thanks for updating on the other planets. And Sattomax, pray do tell when I implied we control Eridani. I've never mentioned Eridani in one of my posts here, until now.

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From the completion dialog to the fourth mission in the Diphidia II string:
It appears that the waste materials are the byproducts of a weapons manufacturing process, as there are several exotic compounds in the mixture. One of them is trioctonethaleneium, a material used only in the booster stages of Confederation solid-fuel missiles. We surmise that, somewhere deep within the mines of New Providence, the Confederation is operating a secret weapons lab.

David, feel free to explain...

Meanwhile, I'm taking my fleet out of the main battle theatre and heading to the Apollo system for a while.

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Originally posted by Macavenger:
David, feel free to explain...

In case you haven't noticed, that quote was from an official of the government of Diphidia II, not someone with any detailed knowledge of Confederate operations. The Confederation prefers to develop its weapons in its research facilities, rather than in the insecure facilities of private corporations. Internal security is still investigating how Terran Naval Yards allowed patrol ships to get into the hands of the Astex corporation, the alleged weapons facility is not the sort of operation for which either the central government or the military would see any benefit in participating.

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Originally posted by David Arthur:
**by the way Overrider720 how does destroying a ship with half a fleet prove it is weak?

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It doesn't take the whole fleet to destroy it

Overrider jumps into the system where the Osperay is. All of a sudden it appears. fireing missles towards the fleet

"Alert Skyblade! the Confedrates have taken the cloaking device!" (That action music is playing like when there's a fight and your taken by suprise. It goes somethong like dun' dun' dunt'dun'! Dun! dun' dun' dunt'dun'! Dun'!) Overrider watches 2 destroyers immediatley go down as the Manta's begin taking on the gunboats. Overrider and the destroyers and cruisers send out a barrage of missles and torpedoes bring the Osprey down to 88% sheilds the Manta's finishing with the gunboat's they head for the Osprey but the turret particle beam slices holes right through the sending them to a firey death. A Cruiser moves in for the kill but is obliterated by the turret particle beam and 7 destroyers go down as well.......

"All hands! This is a full scale retreat! All Fighters retreat to Turin!" All the fighters jumped out fast letting the Confed's celebrate a victory that will keep getting bigger.

"Sattomax, Skyblade, macavenger. Do not confront the Confederaation Osprey until we have a ship cababel of destroying it. It won't be too long though, I have some friends giving me a ship design from Clotho Prime"............

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Originally posted by Overrider720:
Overrider jumps into the system where the Osperay is. All of a sudden it appears. fireing missles towards the fleet

In my last post but one, the C.N.S. Macdonald returned to Earth, and it is still there. The other eight Ospreys are on Earth as well. As none of the Ospreys are in space, there is no way that you can attack them. You're going to have to wait until the Confederation makes its move before you can face the Osprey in battle.

For that matter, the Confederation has not yet have cloaking technology, although, since you're so impatient to go up against it, you'll be happy to know that it's one of the highest priority projects at the research department of the Ministry of Defence on Earth right now.

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Originally posted by David Arthur:
**In case you haven't noticed, that quote was from an official of the government of Diphidia II, not someone with any detailed knowledge of Confederate operations. The Confederation prefers to develop its weapons in its research facilities, rather than in the insecure facilities of private corporations. Internal security is still investigating how Terran Naval Yards allowed patrol ships to get into the hands of the Astex corporation, the alleged weapons facility is not the sort of operation for which either the central government or the military would see any benefit in participating.
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Possibly, but Astex and the Confederation are very good friends. That compound is very telling. Also, I lost a lot of points with the Confederation for helping Diphidia II. Also, I think that the Confederation still gets a lot of its resources from that mine, for the following reasons:

1. The observed relationship between Astex and the Confederation.
2. The Confederate garrison in that system.
3. What other mines are they going to get it from?

Perhaps this is something which the government is trying to keep quiet?
It actually almost doesn't matter about the weapons, but you've still got to find a new source for metals if you want to continue much in the way of ship construction.

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Originally posted by David Arthur:
**In my last post but one, the C.N.S. Macdonald returned to Earth, and it is still there. The other eight Ospreys are on Earth as well. As none of the Ospreys are in space, there is no way that you can attack them. You're going to have to wait until the Confederation makes its move before you can face the Osprey in battle.
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d*****! Oh well.

Do you not want my ship design Skyblade?

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I'll be withdrawing my fleet from general service for a while, I have a special errand planned. Now moving to Palshife, to get some help from the Rebellion - will keep you guys updated on my status.

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Originally posted by Macavenger:
Also, I lost a lot of points with the Confederation for helping Diphidia II.

Perhaps you lost points with the Confederation because of the manner in which you helped Diphidia II? After all, the customary solution when someone is breaking the law is to take them to court, not to destroy their ships.

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Originally posted by Macavenger:
The observed relationship between Astex and the Confederation.

Uh. Astex is a private company based in Confederate space. That is the relationship between Astex and the Confederation.

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Originally posted by Macavenger:
The Confederate garrison in that system.

There is a Confederate garrison in the Antares system because Antares is a Confederate system. It has nothing to do with Astex, although they're probably glad it's there.

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Originally posted by Macavenger:
What other mines are they going to get it from?

Just because New Providence is the only planet where the entire economy is driven by mining doesn't mean that there aren't mines anywhere else. After all, just about every planet has some sort of resources. Earth itself is, believe it or not, not entirely devoid of natural resources.

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By "relationship with the Confederation", I was referring to how the Confederation reacts if you attack ships of Corporations. In my experience, they favor certain corporations, in particular Astex and ConEX. I think the Confederation is a major customer of Astex. And I realize there is(err, was, in this thread) a garrison at Antares because it is a Confederate system, but it was larger than most other Confederate garrisons. The only other one i can think of that rates it's own orbital station is Earth itself.

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