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What would you say if I told you I wanted it fast? After all there is nothing wrong with Coldstone right now, other than the fact that it can't do everything.
True. Beenox and Ambrosia do have to think about the consumers. They want to keep us happy, right?
A quote from a cartoon may not be the best method to present a point anyway... 
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Originally posted by FF-fanatic:
**Thanks Bunny for defending us new ones.;) Yeah I just got Coldstone not to long ago. I just really wanted to know if I could have multiple characters or not. Because if I couldn't then I would have to make a totally different game. I agree Coldstone is great, but I could use more. And I'm not blaming Ambrosia, it had been long enough. So I mean I just wanted to know. A totally different game is made if mutliple characters are in it. So I guess I'm just a normal person with ordinary skills.
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You're welcome :). It was nothing, and I fire up when someone says something mean in front of me, especially concerning me. No one is ordinary; we're all extraordinary in our own way. Ambrosia keeps me happy, it just could make me EXTREMELY happy and make me register.
Beenox members, I must be honest. The 30 day timer doesn't work. I've had CGE for 40 days. It still doesn't know that it's over time, and lets me build as usual. Is this supposed to happen? It's also quite humorous...me and my brother laughed when we saw it. 
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Originally posted by SSJ6Gohan:
**This is rather harsh. I don't want to speak for others but there are newbs out there trying to learn how to work things out and asking for help. Is it so bad to ask for help? These " ordanary skills " are invaluable to some of us. Give us a chance to get used to the program and learn about the features.
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**Thanks, Bunny.
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How come I don't get any credit? I defended you too. It kind of feels like people are ignoring me. :frown: No one ever replies to my messages in perticular...why?
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Originally posted by PinkFluffyBunny:
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I am one of those "unfamiliar nubies". I didn't know it was so bad to be new to something and ask for help. I also didn't know I had to have these "common ordinary skills" that you seem to think eve<snip>
ellrx, please, that post hu--<snip>
Well, please refra--<snip>
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Try reading this in an pobjective manner, instead of getting emotional about a completely impersonal matter. I'm just getting tired of people complaining about something that is already there. Try dreaming up workarounds.
I was a newbie once, actually twice, since they changed the game from rogue type combat to full animation/realTime gameplay.
Perhaps you misunderstood, you are attempting to bend coldStone's arm...but you don't know the basics, so you make comments about "oh i really wish they'd fix coldstone, it's broken, it can't make the platform game of my dreams" and things of the like, if you'll notice many people have figured these things out, however they aren't willing to share how. Necro is making a platformer beat'em up, some people are making turn based systems and other things that CGE isn't designed for, i myself am building a fps shoot'em up using the mousedriven navigation system embedded into Coldstone. The point being we all arrived on the scene prior to knowing anything about thew system with no one to ask for advice. Not that you all should have to struggle to but perhaps you'd like to peer into the Documentation and think up a way to 'fake' it.
SO you can't create an actual party system. If you can fake it the end user won't even know the difference, just so long as you make it look like it. It's all smoke and mirrors.
here's two hints(keep in mind i haaven't read nor am i taking into account anyone else's advice on the matter) to building a classic dragonwarrior/grandia/crystalis chars all follow in a straight line behind you game, your answers lie in the 'princessintown' NPC from the tutorial(this is how you'll get party members to follow you), now when it comes to battle you'll want to set up events to teleport visages of you,your party members, and the opponents to a separate map and using animations that trigger spells/ initiate mathematical operations you can build a classical TurnBased game.
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(This message has been edited by ellrx (edited 09-10-2002).)
Yes, you're right in the fact that we cannot find a way to work around, or don't try. However, I ask for help even though there IS a way because either I don't know how to actually have Coldstone render it, or I'm as stupid as you think I am.
It's like asking about a math question. You have learned to solve those types of problems, but this one's different, it's too complicated, and we spend our time trying to wrack our brains to figure something out, then when we do the answer doesn't make sense. Once I had to find the volume of a cube that had 6 in on one side, I knew how to do this. But somehow, I got 400,000. It is like that for me, atleast. Perhaps for other people new to it.
How long has it been since you were new? If it's atleast a year I'm guess you don't remember what it feels like to be treated like this. I know I don't remember how it feels on StarCraft. Also, is it bad to be emotional? I mean, I spared a spider today just because I felt bad for it. We emotional people feel emotions for others, we feel pain with them, and with ourselves. I don't make fun of other people, although I wish I were braver so I could defend them :frown:.
That is how I feel.
Bunny
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Have you ever noticed how people say something is smart only when it acts like something else?
People say cats are smart when they act like dogs, or when they act like humans. Can't things be smart in their OWN way?
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Originally posted by PinkFluffyBunny:
**< snip>to be treated like this. I know I don't remember how it feels on StarCraft. Also, is it bad to be emotional? I mean, I spared a spider today just because I felt bad for it. We emotional people feel emotions for others, we feel pain with them, and with ourselves. I don't make fun of other people, although I wish I were braver so I could defend them :frown:.
That is how I feel.
Bunny
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Oh, boy.
Here's hoping you pour some of this olympic-sized drama into your current game, it'll be sure to win some kind of honor. Nothing against emotional people, but you're guilt tripping and you just fell.
Either way don't knock ColdStone, the stone is perfect, it is pure, cherish it or you might find yourself in the land of C++, and card based "games" (its been a cruel MacGameDev wilderness for quite some time)
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Originally posted by ellrx:
**Oh, boy.
Here's hoping you pour some of this olympic-sized drama into your current game, it'll be sure to win some kind of honor. Nothing against emotional people, but you're guilt tripping and you just fell.
Either way don't knock ColdStone, the stone is perfect, it is pure, cherish it or you might find yourself in the land of C++, and card based "games" (its been a cruel MacGameDev wilderness for quite some time)
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Listen man, I've done nothing but praise Coldstone, so I don't know what your talking about. I said it was a great program. I just wanted to know if it had certain abilities, I think the program is the best I've seen in a long while. So I'm not knocking down Coldstone. Got that?
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Is it just me or is the whole "finding ways to do stuff coldstone wasn't made for" the fun and exciting part?
If Coldstone served you everything up on a platter, where would the creativity be?
Maybe it's just me... but without stretching coldstone to its limits and a bit beyond it'd just be an eloaborate PoG map editor...
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"If it's too hard, I can't understand it."
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Originally posted by ellrx: **Oh, boy.
Here's hoping you pour some of this olympic-sized drama into your current game, it'll be sure to win some kind of honor. Nothing against emotional people, but you're guilt tripping and you just fell.
Either way don't knock ColdStone, the stone is perfect, it is pure, cherish it or you might find yourself in the land of C++, and card based "games" (its been a cruel MacGameDev wilderness for quite some time) **
I bet you make fun of people in school, because you sure do know how to make a person sad and mad. You're soul purpose is probably to make fun of new people. It sure seems like it. So what if I'm new? I want some help, because I can't find the answer. Haven't you ever asked for help? Oh, oops, I'm sorry, you're the almighty ellrx that needs no help and makes fun of new people.
I'm not knocking it either. CGE is the best there is. Did I ever say it stunk? No. I just said that I can't find ways to get around, and people help me. That's it, I just want to know the answer, or how to solve it. I just don't know how to do it, so I need help.
What have you got against us anyway? We didn't do anything but ask for help. Or maybe we should sit here wondering what to do, and spam instead of ask for help, since apparently asking for help is bad, because somehow that makes us stupid. And what did you mean with guilt? I have no guilt about coldstone. I didn't do anything bad. What's your problem with us?
Sorry if I seem harsh, but ellrx is worse. He's really making me feel bad. :frown: I didn't do anything wrong, and he's saying I'm knocking coldstone.
ellrx: get a life instead of terrorizing new people and little kids (I'm 12).
Will someone close this thread please? All that's really going on is ellrx is insulting us and we fight back.
Bunny
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Have you ever noticed how people say something is smart only when it acts like something else?
People say cats are smart when they act like dogs, or when they act like humans. Can't things be smart in their OWN way?
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(This message has been edited by PinkFluffyBunny (edited 09-11-2002).)
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Originally posted by PinkFluffyBunny:
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Will someone close this thread please? All that's really going on is ellrx is insulting us...
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I agree that the direction of the topic has taken a turn for the worse, but I don't know that I, personally, would put 100% of the blame on any one individual.
Now, since I'm off-topic anyway, and before it gets locked down; I'd like to offer up a tip for those people lucky enough to have OS X.
1. Open up a new terminal window
2. Type "emacs" (w/o the quotes)
3. Hold the SHIFT key and press ESC
4. Type "x doctor"
5. Follow the onscreen instructions.
6. Close the window when done.
(thanks to (url="http://"http://www.macosxhints.com")Mac OS X Hints(/url) for this)
All in good fun.
-edited to fix link and stuff-
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(This message has been edited by sanko (edited 09-11-2002).)
Yes, you're right. Well, he just kept continueing to insult us, and I guess we got mad. What I'd like to know is why he decided to put down new people. His post wouldn't have been so bad if he didn't. New people simply want to learn, and are new, so they need help.
If it's not ellrx's fault, whose is it? I suppose it's partially mine, for fighting back, but I had to do something. I mean, if I just let that go would he continue? I just felt like I had to say something, he was being kind of mean...
Anyway, hope the thread closes,
Bunny
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Have you ever noticed how people say something is smart only when it acts like something else?
People say cats are smart when they act like dogs, or when they act like humans. Can't things be smart in their OWN way?
My game's (url="http://"http://glued2seatp.tripod.com/")site(/url)
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Originally posted by PinkFluffyBunny:
**Yes, you're right. Well, he just kept continueing to insult us, and I guess we got mad. What I'd like to know is why he decided to put down new people. His post wouldn't have been so bad if he didn't. New people simply want to learn, and are new, so they need help.
If it's not ellrx's fault, whose is it? I suppose it's partially mine, for fighting back, but I had to do something. I mean, if I just let that go would he continue? I just felt like I had to say something, he was being kind of mean...
Anyway, hope the thread closes,
Bunny
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again your taking this in the wrong way. I will make no attempts to defend any statement i've made/will make
if ou have anything further to discuss with me, or if yyour inquiry is in the slightest manner sincere, i suggest that you email me. (url="http://"mailto:ellrx@yahoo.com")mailto:ellrx@yahoo.com(/url)ellrx@yahoo.com
Ellrx, Bunny, I advise you both to drop this. Ellrx merely expressed his opinions, Bunny attacked him, and ellrx was put on the defensive, which was why he was being insulting. I, personally, don't want this topic taking up space at the top of the list, and if a moderator doesn't lock this topic and either PinkBunny or ellrx posts back regarding their argument, I will notify a moderator and make sure this topic is locked.
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So you're saying it's my fault?
And you're saying it's right to say your opinions even if they insult others?
I didn't know people didn't like me so much. People don't exactly treat me well on the internet now...before it was just fun, now I got to take insults without replying. What next? Karma slap for no reason? I just don't get anything anymore.
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Have you ever noticed how people say something is smart only when it acts like something else?
People say cats are smart when they act like dogs, or when they act like humans. Can't things be smart in their OWN way?
My game's (url="http://"http://glued2seatp.tripod.com/")site(/url)
(This message has been edited by PinkFluffyBunny (edited 09-11-2002).)
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Originally posted by PinkFluffyBunny:
**So you're saying it's my fault?
And you're saying it's right to say your opinions even if they insult others?
I didn't know people didn't like me so much. People don't exactly treat me well on the internet now...before it was just fun, now I got to take insults without replying. What next? Karma slap for no reason? I just don't get anything anymore.
Originally posted by PinkFluffyBunny:
Beenox members, I must be honest. The 30 day timer doesn't work. I've had CGE for 40 days. It still doesn't know that it's over time, and lets me build as usual. Is this supposed to happen? It's also quite humorous...me and my brother laughed when we saw it.
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PB
what passes for rudeness in some parts of the world is takin lightly in others. Dont be so thin skined.
BUT braging about stealing Coldstone is in bad taste anywhere the demo licencse expires 30 days from the start. shareware shouldnt have to lock you out or remind you to pay.
you want respect, BUY the program! til then your a newbie and a thief
~stray
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Originally posted by straytoaster:
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PB
what passes for rudeness in some parts of the world is takin lightly in others. Dont be so thin skined.
BUT braging about stealing Coldstone is in bad taste anywhere the demo licencse expires 30 days from the start. shareware shouldnt have to lock you out or remind you to pay.
you want respect, BUY the program! til then your a newbie and a thief
~stray
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I accept the rudeness part
But what if I told you my parents won't let me register?
First of all, I was being honest. I wanted to tell beenox what happens.
Anyway, my parents don't think CGE is worth 49$, even if I do. I can't do anything. Don't blame me. So it's impossible to be liked or help if I don't register, no matter how much I help? Because I notice that people don't take my advice, accept for other new people. If I'm really not wanted that much I'll leave. Being new seems like a dreadful sin that somehow it's my fault. Pointless having people hate you. :frown:
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Have you ever noticed how people say something is smart only when it acts like something else?
People say cats are smart when they act like dogs, or when they act like humans. Can't things be smart in their OWN way?
My game's (url="http://"http://glued2seatp.tripod.com/")site(/url)
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Originally posted by PinkFluffyBunny:
**I accept the rudeness part
But what if I told you my parents won't let me register?
First of all, I was being honest. I wanted to tell beenox what happens.
Anyway, my parents don't think CGE is worth 49$, even if I do. I can't do anything. Don't blame me. So it's impossible to be liked or help if I don't register, no matter how much I help? Because I notice that people don't take my advice, accept for other new people. If I'm really not wanted that much I'll leave. Being new seems like a dreadful sin that somehow it's my fault. Pointless having people hate you. :frown:
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Don't leave Bunny, just because you haven't registered doesn't mean your not wanted. Don't worry one day your parents will cave :). So until then I still continue to look forward to your informative posts and questions.
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Originally posted by PinkFluffyBunny:
**But what if I told you my parents won't let me register?
First of all, I was being honest. I wanted to tell beenox what happens.**
And so acting as if stealing Coldstone is funny is supposed to be excused?
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Anyway, my parents don't think CGE is worth 49$, even if I do. I can't do anything. Don't blame me. So it's impossible to be liked or help if I don't register, no matter how much I help? Because I notice that people don't take my advice, accept for other new people. If I'm really not wanted that much I'll leave. Being new seems like a dreadful sin that somehow it's my fault. Pointless having people hate you.:frown:
People have asked you before to stop being melodramatic. If you are going to feel sorry for yourself, do so privately.
As for being a "newbie and a thief", I wouldn't put it that strongly. However, you will find that you won't get optimum respect unless you buy Coldstone. (P.S.: The Coldstone demo doesn't disable entirely after 30 days, but you can't compile projects with 20+ NPCs or events after the time limit.)
You can leave if you wish. I would advise that you don'tยthis web board can be very helpful as long as you're on its good side. However, if you stay, you will find that on the internet you earn respect. It is not a commodity, as many people treat it.
If you want to buy Coldstone, I would suggest cutting a deal with your parents to work for enough money to buy it. or example, I earned Coldstone by shoveling compost (a good experience for anyone 
). If you propose to work for the money, such as mowing lawns or doing yardwork or household chores, your parents are much more likely to cave.
Good luck.
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ย Cafall
I already have the money. I just am not allowed to buy cs. The stealing thing- it was humorous. I didn't mean to steal, because I am just not allowed to get it. If you fall over a log when you're running, don't you find that humorous even though you tripped and may have hurt yourself?
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Have you ever noticed how people say something is smart only when it acts like something else?
People say cats are smart when they act like dogs, or when they act like humans. Can't things be smart in their OWN way?
My game's (url="http://"http://glued2seatp.tripod.com/")site(/url)
(This message has been edited by PinkFluffyBunny (edited 09-13-2002).)
