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Originally posted by Joolzman5:
**€Fighters: Each has their advantage. The Salrilian fighter is hard to see (though that's only a really significant advantage against human, non-AI players) and has a long-range beam. The Audemedon fighter, I believe (correct me if I'm wrong) has the same shielding, 600, plus a beam that's nearly three times the power of the Salrilian LRPK beam. I personally believe that in a single fighter-to-fighter contest the Audemedon Fighter would win since once the real combat gets going they're at close range and the higher damage rating would win out. In a fleet I believe the Salrilian Fighter would win; as is easily seen, when approaching a Salrilian fleet there is a shower of long-ranged beams coming towards you, and some of those beams are bound to hit you. As for speed, the average fighter speed is 6; even Human and Ishiman fighters have that top speed.

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1. Silly me, I wrote the guide myself and I didn't even notice the fact that fighters generally have a top speed of 6.00
2. We don't have data on Audemedon fighters (perhaps someone with Hera can enlighten us on this) but I'd agree that the shields on an Audemedon fighter is probably 600. Also, their weapon does a damage of 80 which is **nearly **3 times more powerful thab LRPKBC.
   3)The problem about an AI v. AI contest is, as you said, the Salrilian capability to "camouflage" itself loses its importance. Furthermore, although the Ares AI is better than EV/O AI, it still doesn't know how to take full advantage of the capabilities of its ships. Otherwise, The Salrilian fighter can take advantage of its long range weapon and pull a Monty Python on the Audemedon fighter.

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Originally posted by Joolzman5:
**€Crusiers: No contest; we agree on that. Firepower makes up for cloaking; and the Holo-Emitter is nice when the Audemedon Cruisers are defending in groups.

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These are very valid points. But what I was thinking about was that the holo generator makes the Salrilian stealth capability worthless. Even with the ability to launch stealth attacks, the Salrilian cruiser might chase the wrong ship! Considering that the Audemedon cruiser has a long range pulse weapon, it can easily come around to its opponents rear and start shooting.

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Originally posted by Joolzman5:
**€Gunships: I disagree with you, htjyang. The Audemedon Gunship is my favorite ship. While it has the same shields and maneuverabity as the Salrilian Gunship (except for the turning advantage which I don't think is all that useful), the Audemedon Gunship's firepower far exceeds the Salrilian Gunship's. This is especially useful in fleets but I think that even one-on-one the Audemedon Gunship would win, at least when both are AI controlled. (The AI is fairly good at finding cloaked ships.)

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Again, I'll have to concede this point as well because you are thinking in terms of an AI v. AI conflict. I think you can agree that if the contest is between 2 similarly-skilled human players, the Audemedon gunship will be in a disadvantage due to the Salrilian stealth field and their "camouflage" capability.

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Originally posted by Joolzman5:
(b)€Heavy Destroyer: Audemedon HVD wins out. The cloak is no match for the A-Missiles. As well, (again, correct me if I'm wrong) the Audemedon HVD has more powerful beams as opposed to longer-ranged; I addressed this difference with the Fighters.

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Originally posted by Captain Carnotaur:
**Well, I think Slug was making a plug-in about that, but there is already a story about what happened before the game. It was written by a moderator named htjyang, who is now working on a story about what happened after the game. But anyway, It's called "What Comes Before", and just go to the Ares Chronicles to find out. Read it, start with Chapter 1, it's a great story!

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I am making a plugin about that as we speak. I'm not quite sure whether to make it a trilogy that explains everything , or to preserve some mystery about the Ares universe and only do just what I planned origionally. So far I've finished Part One, detailing the first encounters the Salrilians had with the Audemedons and I'm working on how they intervened in the local Gaitori/Obish war.

I dunno, maybe I'll start beta testin' soon but it's a very high-quality plug.
It's fun to see a trio of Salrilian D-7 Class Frigates tear into an Audemedon Mothership, it really is.

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If our military is so much better than theirs, then why don't we ever use it?

Can't wait for it Slug! <––– supposed to be slobbering, not really sticking tongue out

htyjang: Then I guess we agree that Salrilians are much better against human players than AI; however, I thought the list of ship power was supposed to be pure power, AI against AI. Sorry I guess I kinda misunderstood you. However I still would put Audemedons first in ship power. And yes I agree about the Salrilian Cruiser going after the fake holo-projections, thus revealing itself; that would be a disadvantage for the Salrilians.

However I intended this topic to be more of a poll than an argument; could more people please answer my initial requests? Thanks.

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--Joolzman5, that guy with the red spikey hair whose presence never fails to suddenly kill Mag Steelglass

BTW htjyang, great stories!

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--Joolzman5, that guy with the red spikey hair whose presence never fails to suddenly kill Mag Steelglass

D-7 Class... They're the T-shaped ones... No cloak. But D-7A's do have cloak.

Sorry, been playing too much Starfleet Academy...

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Fleet: Lightning 1, Surge, Eagle, Endurance, Voltare, Alecto, Magaera, Tisiphone
"CRUISER DESTROYED. 91 remaining" -Ares, chapter 9, Hand Over Fist

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Originally posted by 8 Lightnings:
**D-7 Class... They're the T-shaped ones... No cloak. But D-7A's do have cloak.

Sorry, been playing too much Starfleet Academy...
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Yes, very old Klingon Battlecruisers... no apprecable shields, single torpedo launcher, always by themselves, no match for a constitution-class battlecruiser....

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Originally posted by Slug:
**Yes, very old Klingon Battlecruisers... no apprecable shields, single torpedo launcher, always by themselves, no match for a constitution-class battlecruiser....
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(j/k)YESSSS!!!!! Time to turn the tables on Slug!! ;)(j/k)

Dude, in TOS and TNG the United Federation of Planets makes the Eleejeetians look like 1800s Prussia. It's an exploration vessle. I think the exact class is "Star Cruiser", but my refrence books are 600 miles away.

As for the Eleejeetians, here's a direct quote from NATHAN LAMONT: "However, on the rare occasions that they do choose to fight, their superior technology becomes readily apparent." That's from the prologue to "YO HO HO", and is talking about the Eleejeetians. That DIRECTLY INDICATES they are high in the rankings of raw ship power. The advantage rating (an indication, prehaps, of what Nathan Lamont intended) also is THE HIGHEST.

BTW, if the Ishimans really consturct tube worlds (as some claim Nathan Lamont told them), then they'd need a massive quantity of resources. I see the Ishimans as sort of the cold-war-after-Vietnam-era US of Ares, a massive superpower that sees itself as the guardian of the downtrodden, but unwilling to do much besides provide sanctuary and supplies. That would bring them into line with the Cantharans in terms of shear strategic power.

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