Multi-lingual/translated plugs

Pace

Something struck me this very moment: there are only plug-ins in English (or American, depends on the "s" and "z" ). Are there any people out there who would like to have some in other languages? Because it could be very interesting, and could create lots of diversity I know it's a weird idea, but it could really be cool (at least for those who understand them). I, for example, speak English, French, Dutch and a little German. We could have plugs in one same language like we could have some in many different ones. We could have ones with translations ("Je ne suis pas du tout d'accord," said the foreigner. "Il est trop jeune." -- and then you have someone translating for you if necessary).

For those willing to discuss the issue, there will be this post and one on the web board (that's for people who wouldn't normally do the plugs themselves)
(if you think it's a really stupid idea, then just don't answer, and don't even bother reading this post anyway)

I know some people will think of translation devices, but that's a little lame I think. Come on, you've got to have different languages, otherwise it kills culture diversity.

So, comments?

And who here speaks different languages?

Note: I know it's pretty much the same thing written here as on the other topic, but who cares? This is for developers. (and mods of course if they want to answer ;))

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Pace
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rmx256

Part of the dialogue and a lot of the terminology from mine is in ancient Egyptian...

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Pace

That's a good start then.

And how do put ancient egyptian into a dialogue?ż?

Edit: do you use the latin alphabet for it or do you somehow manage to use cyrillic in the game?

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Pace
(haldora)
-- Cartman: I hate hippies! I mean, the way they always talk about "protectin' the earth" and then drive around in cars that get poor gas mileage and wear those stupid bracelets - I hate 'em! I wanna kick 'em in the nuts!

(This message has been edited by Pace (haldora) (edited 07-27-2004).)

Dr. Trowel

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Originally posted by Pace (haldora):
**And how do put ancient egyptian into a dialogue?ż?
**

Vowels have to be interpolated from Coptic or other more recent languages....

There's a fine professor I know at UC Santa Barbara who has had some interesting side jobs: (url="http://"http://www.anth.ucsb.edu/faculty/stsmith/hollywood/index.html")http://www.anth.ucsb...wood/index.html(/url)

Regarding multi-lingual plugs, take a look at this topic: (url="http://"http://www.ambrosiasw.com/webboard/Forum9/HTML/005510.html")singing the praises of {}(/url). If you write descs like this: {bxxx "This is English" "This is another language"}, then Nova will choose which text to display based on the state of the bxxx control bit. This would let the plug-writer control when a player is entitled to see which languages.

My own knowledge of foreign languages is fairly limited, but if a plug with a good story forced me to occassionally deal with the abilities and shortcomings of (url="http://"http://www.worldlingo.com/products_services/worldlingo_translator.html")WorldLingo(/url) or one of the other translation sites, I'd consider it a fun educational opportunity.

(This message has been edited by Dr. Trowel (edited 07-27-2004).)

Zacha Pedro

Je crains fort que la base de Nova soit formée de gens, sinon parlant Anglais, du moins le comprenant, et l'interet de traduire un plug-in est je le crains fort limité, étant donné que seul des gens ayant acheté le jeu peuvent ętre interessés par des plug-ins, et s'ils l'ont acheté c'est qu'ils ont été capables de comprendre le scénario de base...

C'est en tout cas mon opinion.

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Entarus

Ik denk dat dit misschien niet zo een goed idee is , tenzij je je eigen taaltje gaat maken , dan kan het erg leuk worden , ala LOTR. Bestaande talen zijn leuk maar minder leuk voor hen die het verstaan , het klinkt dan niet zo cool meer , daarom is een eigen taal misschien beter. Voor bepaalde stukken en zo , zeker niet alles vertalen.

Waar woon jij trouwens in België , misschien woon ik wel om de hoek.

Entarus,

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(This message has been edited by Entarus (edited 07-27-2004).)

SpacePirate

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Originally posted by Zacha Pedro:
**Je crains fort que la base de Nova soit formée de gens, sinon parlant Anglais, du moins le comprenant, et l'interet de traduire un plug-in est je le crains fort limité, étant donné que seul des gens ayant acheté le jeu peuvent ętre interessés par des plug-ins, et s'ils l'ont acheté c'est qu'ils ont été capables de comprendre le scénario de base...

C'est en tout cas mon opinion.

**

But you'd think people would be more inclined to play plugins in their own native language... This could easily be done with chärs, just choose your language, set a bit, and use the {bx "text" ""} idea.

~ SpacePIrate

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Pace

Entarus: ik woon bij Schuman, Merode en Diamant in Brussel. En waar woon jij? "Beyond Humanity" is een beetje onzeker, eh?
Ik vind jou mening zeer interessant, maar vind jij niet dat, als er meer talen zijn, het meer interessant kan worden?

Zacha Pedro: c'est vrai, mais il serait tout de męme intéressant d'y apporter un peu de variété. Et puis, la variété et la diversité sont en soi des richesses

SpacePirate: I fully agree. In fact, how many would like a plug in French? How many would like one in German? (or even Dutch for those Dutch and Flemish speakers. No, I will not tolerate a debate on the differences between Dutch and Flemish! ;))

Waw I've never écrit un message in zo veel talen It's trčs vreemd.

Aber es gibt kein Deutsch

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Pace
(haldora)
-- Cartman: I hate hippies! I mean, the way they always talk about "protectin' the earth" and then drive around in cars that get poor gas mileage and wear those stupid bracelets - I hate 'em! I wanna kick 'em in the nuts!

Entarus

Anyway not to disturb the mods I will first do some translation.

I said that it would be nice if we created our own languages like Tolkien did for sporadic use , I for one would love to do this.

En dan nog ff in het nederlands , ik woon in het hoge noorden ( ;)) Antwerpen namelijk.

Entarus,

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Pace

Ja, sorry Entarus: je woont niet om de hoek
I agree: I would love to do that too Hey, maybe we could create the language together

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Pace
(haldora)
-- Cartman: I hate hippies! I mean, the way they always talk about "protectin' the earth" and then drive around in cars that get poor gas mileage and wear those stupid bracelets - I hate 'em! I wanna kick 'em in the nuts!

Martin Turner

Actually guys, somebody did write a plugin that included English, French, Dutch and German, and followed it up with one with snippets of Turkish.

Ik ga dit niet allemaal vertalen - zij die niet weten zullen denken dat het vertaald is.

Je ne vais pas traduire ce que j'ai écrit en anglais. Mais tout le monde qui ne parle qu'une langue va penser que je l'ai traduit.

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Pace

I must say that's impressive.
Hey, Martin, you're one of the first people I know of living in England who knows English AND French AND Dutch! Thumbs up! Especially since Dutch is considered either a condemned language (by many, mainly francophones in Belgium) or a small useless language.

So what would you think of a plug using a new invented language?
And do you think a plug with language diversity is directly better?

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Pace
(haldora)
-- Cartman: I hate hippies! I mean, the way they always talk about "protectin' the earth" and then drive around in cars that get poor gas mileage and wear those stupid bracelets - I hate 'em! I wanna kick 'em in the nuts!

SpacePirate

If you are going to take the years it'll take to make a halfway decent language, I'm all for it. Otherwise, it'll be utter crap, a novelty.

A plug with random text thrown in could be a bad thing, or a good thing. If there are a few characters that speak french, leading to an all-french sidestring, that could be pretty cool, for those who understand the language. But if something critical is going to require a different language, forget it.

~ SP

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Pace

Hey, SP, of course you don't create the whole language in one go. But you start working at the sounds they use, the way they talk, , and then you start creating the words you need. You don't create the equivalent of a whole language. Just what you need. And anyway, if someone doesn't understand a language that much, you'll try to keep your wording easy and simple so that the person in front of you isn't totally lost.
On the other hand, it can't be made up to quickly otherwise it's really crap. That, I agree, is true.
It just requires a little time to find out who speaks the language, a little of their cultural history, and then the things mentioned above.
(oh, and, a language of Tolkien's level is pretty useless for a plug. At least, that's my opinion)

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Pace
(haldora)
-- Cartman: I hate hippies! I mean, the way they always talk about "protectin' the earth" and then drive around in cars that get poor gas mileage and wear those stupid bracelets - I hate 'em! I wanna kick 'em in the nuts!

Zacha Pedro

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Originally posted by Entarus:
**Ik denk dat dit misschien niet zo een goed idee is , tenzij je je eigen taaltje gaat maken , dan kan het erg leuk worden , ala LOTR. Bestaande talen zijn leuk maar minder leuk voor hen die het verstaan , het klinkt dan niet zo cool meer , daarom is een eigen taal misschien beter. Voor bepaalde stukken en zo , zeker niet alles vertalen.

Waar woon jij trouwens in België , misschien woon ik wel om de hoek.

Entarus,

**

Meh. That'll teach me. Actually is seems we're indeed in the capital of the EU, Brussels, with obviously French and Dutch, but also the languages of the other members.

En fait, mon argumentation ne traitait que des plug-ins qui seraient entičrement localisés comme le sont certains jeux. Il serait en effet tout ŕ fait interessant d'introduire des bouts de conversation en "version originale" (souvenez-vous de "New Bavaria" dans l'EV original, "one of the few places where galactic standard is not the first language"), quitte ŕ introduire une maničre d'ajouter un doublage en Anglais, débrayable au besoin avec un Bit de Controle de Nova (qui serait modifiable ŕ l'ecran d'outfittage, eh, voila un néologisme typiquement unique!) et des opérateurs {b1265 "( text in English )" ""}.

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Martin Turner

Actually, again there is a plugin with a made-up language which you have to translate.

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rebelswin_85

This has been one of the most educational posts I've read in a long time. And I realize that my French is quite rusty...

My favorite idea so far has been a small subplot that uses French, German or Spanish, and those who know how to speak the language can follow it. There ought to be enough with at least a basic knowledge of one of these three to give it some appeal. I know a bit of French, and I can stumble my way through German. And if you want to really drive everyone nuts, I'll help anyone who wants to write something in Middle English.

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Martin Turner

Ah, middle-English. Which reminds me:

Sithen the sege and the assaut was cesed at Troye
The borghe brittened and brent to brondes and askes
The tulk that the trammels of his tresoun ther wrought
Was tried for his tricherie, the trewest on erthe

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Bot of alle ţat here bult, of Bretaygne kynges,
Ay watz Arthur ţe hendest, as I haf herde telle.
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Wyle Nw yer watz so ep ţat hit watz nwe cummen

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Half etayn in erde I hope ţat he were, ... And oueral enker-grene.

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And I schal bide ţe fyrst bur as bare as I sitte. ... And I schal stonde hym a strok, stif on ţis flet,

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Ţe fayre hede fro ţe halce hit to ţe erţe,
... For ţe hede in his honde he haldez vp euen
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A yere yernes ful yerne, and yeldez neuer lyke,
Ţe forme to ţe fynisment foldez ful selden.

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Mony klyf he ouerclambe in contrayez straunge
... For werre wrathed hym not so much ţat wynter nas wors

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A castel ţe comlokest ţat euer knyt ayte

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And wener ţen Wenore, as ţe wye ţot.

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Quat-so-euer I wynne in ţe wod hit worţez to yourez,
And quat chek so ye acheue chaunge me ţerforne.

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At ţe fyrst quethe of ţe quest quaked ţe wylde

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'Sir, if ye be Wawen, wonder me ţynkkez

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Ţis is a chapel of meschaunce, ţat chekke hit bytyde!

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Quat! hit clatered in ţe clyff, as hit cleue schulde,
As one vpon a gryndelston hade grounden a syţe.
What! hit wharred and whette, as water at a mulne;
What! hit rusched and ronge, rawţe to here.

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With ţe barbe of ţe bitte bi ţe bare nek

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At ţe ţrid ţou fayled ţore,
And ţerfor ţat tappe ta ţe.

'For hit is my wede ţat ţou werez, ţat ilke wouen girdel,
Myn owen wyf hit ţe weued, I wot wel for soţe.

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HONY SOYT QUI MAL PENCE.

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(This message has been edited by Martin Turner (edited 07-27-2004).)

rebelswin_85

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Originally posted by Martin Turner:
** <snip>
**

Now you're just boasting. I'm not familiar with all of those quotes... the first one is right on the tip of my tongue, but I can't name it. I want to go read "Troilus and Criseyde" now, though...

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Pace

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HONY SOYT QUI MAL PENCE.

Sorry Martin but that comes from "ancient" French (well, when French was the language of the high society)

Oh bother! Who cares then that there WAS a plug like that I'm thinking of making a new one, it will be for EVN and it will be different. Na!

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-- Cartman: I hate hippies! I mean, the way they always talk about "protectin' the earth" and then drive around in cars that get poor gas mileage and wear those stupid bracelets - I hate 'em! I wanna kick 'em in the nuts!

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