where can i find out what the I.D.'s are for all the systems/planets/weapons/etc. im trying to make a plugin, nothing special, but im just trying to learn how to make a plug in. so where do i find the I.D.'s? and also, how can i add a system on to the nova galaxy? how do i get the galaxy into the editor? im using mission computer just so you know
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and also, how do i take out missions allready in the game?
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You could open up the Nova Data files and look around. Everything is in there.
Read the Nova Bible in your Documentation Folder for info on how to add stuff to the Nova Universe.
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but how do i llook at the nova files? what kind of application do i need to look at them? 'cause when i double click on them, it opens up nova. so how do i actually tke a look at the raw files?
and also, does anybody know of a list of the mission bits and what each one has an effect on(what missions and stuff). please, all this stuff would really help me get started.
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You open them by choosing Open from the File menu, or you can press Apple-O.
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no, that doesn't work, that does the same as double clicking on them, it opens up the game, it doesnt let me tke a look at the raw files themselves.
is there a way if when i was in mission computer, i opened up the nova fiules and took a look at them?
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**no, that doesn't work, that does the same as double clicking on them, it opens up the game, it doesnt let me tke a look at the raw files themselves.
is there a way if when i was in mission computer, i opened up the nova fiules and took a look at them?
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No, you go into ResEdit or MissionComputer or whatever and open them from those applications (file-open).
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ahhhh, i see, thanks. and also, is there a way to have to have a mission bit set or something before a system appears? thanks for the help so far.
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**ahhhh, i see, thanks. and also, is there a way to have to have a mission bit set or something before a system appears? thanks for the help so far.
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Yes. I the syst resource, there's a field called the appearance field or something. Basically, you put in a bit expression. If that expression does not evaluate to true, you don't see the system. If it does, the system appears. By the way, if you're trying to have two versions of the system (like Nova does--the Sol system changes after the Rebel reunification), make sure they don't overlap, i.e. set the new version's appearance to b666 (for instance) and the old version's appearance to !b666 (I trust you know how bits work). That way, when b666 is set, the old one disappears and the new one appears (and when b666 is cleared, the new one disappears and the old one reappears).
You know, all this is in the Nova Bible. I suggest you look there first in the future.
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i know that alll those funky bit expressions are in the nova bibla, they started to confuse me so i stopped reading. but when it comes time to do that, i will start reading it and maybe learn what they mean.
and does anyobdy know of a list of the bits and what missions or planets they have an efefct on, and what effect they have?
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**i know that alll those funky bit expressions are in the nova bibla, they started to confuse me so i stopped reading. but when it comes time to do that, i will start reading it and maybe learn what they mean.
and does anyobdy know of a list of the bits and what missions or planets they have an efefct on, and what effect they have?
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There is a list of all resources and bits used in the basic scenario somewhere on the addons page, but what you're asking is crazy (by that I mean that only someone really crazy would bother to make it).
The bits aren't that hard. Just look them up until you begin to remember how to do them (I still have to look up all the weird _xxx ones).
Edit: Thats the Nova Bible. It's a book (sorta), and is in any rate holy, which means it gets capitalized. 
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**where can i find out what the I.D.'s are for all the systems/planets/weapons/etc. im trying to make a plugin, nothing special, but im just trying to learn how to make a plug in. so where do i find the I.D.'s? and also, how can i add a system on to the nova galaxy? how do i get the galaxy into the editor? im using mission computer just so you know
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I may be able to send you an easier editor to use, it is ResEdit and NovaTools put together, if you want to try it.
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(bI may be able to send you an easier editor to use, it is ResEdit and NovaTools put together, if you want to try it.
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This is easier to use? The only thing ResEdit can do that MissionComputer can't do is RLE#'s, and he's not using those. Besides, he can just download ResEdit and NovaTools, he's not an idiot.
Edit: Also, why do you bother trying to send people something that they can get easily by themselves?
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**This is easier to use? The only thing ResEdit can do that MissionComputer can't do is RLE#'s, and he's not using those. Besides, he can just download ResEdit and NovaTools, he's not an idiot.
Edit: Also, why do you bother trying to send people something that they can get easily by themselves?
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I was trying to help, and I did not send anything yet.
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**I was trying to help, and I did not send anything yet.
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But offering to send him a harder-to-use program that he can easily get himself when he's not even asking for a program and is instead askin how bits work is just pointless and annoying.
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**But offering to send him a harder-to-use program that he can easily get himself when he's not even asking for a program and is instead askin how bits work is just pointless and annoying.
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Fine. I will be working on a TC plug, going off line.
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actually, i think i checked out nova tools, but i dont think it was avaialable for mac. and before i had OS X i tried res edit, and was simply getting confused. i went around, and decided that mission computer was going to be the best one for me.
do you remember whatthe last was?
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**actually, i think i checked out nova tools, but i dont think it was avaialable for mac. and before i had OS X i tried res edit, and was simply getting confused. i went around, and decided that mission computer was going to be the best one for me.
do you remember whatthe last was?
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The last what?
Nova tools is only mac. It's basically a plugin for resedit.
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Septcanmat, everything you need to know is either in the Bible, the MC docs, or the data files. Remember, plugs are from the beginning a mean of avoiding to have to distribute the whole data files for any modification, when there is a plug its resources are simply loaded as an addition to the ones in the data files (overriding the ones with the same ID). You can tell what each bxxx ncb does by checking where there are used in missions and other set and test expressions, and parsed dëscs, the other one have built-in effects described at the beginning of the Bible (the Pxxx one being the only one you should ignore, for obvious reasons).
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actually, i think i checked out nova tools, but i dont think it was avaialable for mac.
What? Just an FYI: it's only for Mac.
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and before i had OS X i tried res edit, and was simply getting confused.
That's what NovaTools basically is: ResEdit. It's additions to make the process easier. And you can still run ResEdit under Classic mode.
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do you remember whatthe last was?
Last what? Editor? version of MC?
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