Here's a new one. I set a shďp to have 8 tons of free space. I then give it a complement of 8 torpedoes, each taking up 1 ton. When I obtain the ship, it has the eight 1-ton torpedoes and 15 tons of free space.

Oh, yes, of cou--ajeckamongaHUH?!?

So what's going on here and how do I make sure my ship only has 8 tons of free space?

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Oh, yes, of cou--ajeckamongaHUH?!?

Yeah, I think that pretty much sums it up.

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Do you have any crons replacing stuff in the background, that could be the culprits? I've had some strange bugs caused by old unnecessary crons...

But hmmm.... 8 + 8 != 15, even in the best case. How are you "aquireing" those torpedos? Are they just listed as ammo for the weapon? Are they default outfits, or are you buying them after the fact? Or are they being Gxxx'd? That would be a good start, methinks, to solving this puzzle.

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Originally posted by UncleTwitchy:
**Here's a new one. I set a shďp to have 8 tons of free space. I then give it a complement of 8 torpedoes, each taking up 1 ton. When I obtain the ship, it has the eight 1-ton torpedoes and 15 tons of free space.

Oh, yes, of cou--ajeckamongaHUH?!?

So what's going on here and how do I make sure my ship only has 8 tons of free space?

**

I think that you have angered the plug-in god. You must sacrifice at least twenty Nova pilots before it will work. That's what I had to do, well, that and ask for help.
But don't give up. Send me a copy of the plug-in, I'll try to look at the problem. You can just use the email link by my profile, just as long as it's less than 10MB.
Maybe Nova is anal-retentive and doesn't like weird numbers like 8, so it rounded to the nearest...15?

(edit) Okay fine, you could just send the torpedo weapon, outfit, and ship resources. No graphics, I'll stick some in so Nova doesn't crash.

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Originally posted by UncleTwitchy:
**Here's a new one. I set a shďp to have 8 tons of free space. I then give it a complement of 8 torpedoes, each taking up 1 ton. When I obtain the ship, it has the eight 1-ton torpedoes and 15 tons of free space.

Oh, yes, of cou--ajeckamongaHUH?!?

So what's going on here and how do I make sure my ship only has 8 tons of free space?

**

I think that you have angered the plug-in god. You must sacrifice at least twenty Nova pilots before it will work. That's what I had to do, well, that and ask for help.
But don't give up. Send me a copy of the plug-in, I'll try to look at the problem. You can just use the email link by my profile, just as long as it's less than 10MB.
Maybe Nova is anal-retentive and doesn't like weird numbers like 8, so it rounded to the nearest...15?

**

Chances are that this is from the latest build of SFA. I doubt UT is inclined to release any version of it.

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I can see what is happening:
8 tons of space + 8*(1 ton torps) - 1 ton (8 torps) = 15 tons

So the real question is why does Nova interpret 8 1 ton torps differently in the same calculation?

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Are you sure you didn't overlook something such as a default outfit?

I know the free space is handled this way: free space of the basic ship+space taken by the default outfits and weapons-space taken by the current outfit and weapons (this is necessary because the pilot files does not store the freespace, just the ID of your ship, and those of your weapons and outfits, so should you make a plug that modifies the default freespace of the ship you own, but also the default outfits and weapons, the freespace of your ship will change automatically).

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Originally posted by Masamune:
How are you "aquireing" those torpedos? Are they just listed as ammo for the weapon?

The default ammo of the weapon.

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Originally posted by Klepsacovic:
Send me a copy of the plug-in, I'll try to look at the problem. You can just use the email link by my profile, just as long as it's less than 10MB.

I appreciate the offer, but, as zhouj said...

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Chances are that this is from the latest build of SFA. I doubt UT is inclined to release any version of it.

On the nosey.

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Originally posted by Zacha Pedro:
**Are you sure you didn't overlook something such as a default outfit?

I know the freespace is handled this way: frrespace of the basic ship+space taken by the default outfits and weapons-space taken by the current outfit and weapons (this is necessary because the pilot files does not store the freespace, just the ID of your ship, and those of your weapons and outfits, so should you make a plug that modifies the default freespace of the ship you own, but also the default outfits and weapons, the freespace of your ship will change automatically).

**

I thought of that, but even then it should only add 8 on for a total of 16 tons -- for some reason, it's adding an additional three onto that, for a total of 19 tons free.

So, it's as follows:

free space: 8
Ammo for weapon (at 1 ton each): 8

When I go to the outfitters, I can buy an additional 11, giving me 19.

I only want the player to get those eight, d*mmit.

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Are there more than one oütf calling the same wëap?

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And do the two different oütfs have different masses, or secondary ModTypes?

I imagine that since you're specifying a wëap on the ship resource, the engine has to guess at which oütf to use for both weapon and ammo. If there are ambiguities with differing masses or secondary effects like a cargo mod, then there could be trouble.

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Well, it seems that one of the following is happening:

It is adding the torpedos' mass, minus one;

It is adding the torpedos' mass, minus the mass of the item you are giving it.

So, in this case, I suppose you'd put 1. In other cases, we'd need to test it.

Why don't you try it with 1?

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Originally posted by Regulus:
**And do the two different oütfs have different masses, or secondary ModTypes?

I imagine that since you're specifying a wëap on the ship resource, the engine has to guess at which oütf to use for both weapon and ammo. If there are ambiguities with differing masses or secondary effects like a cargo mod, then there could be trouble.**

Both weapons that refer to the ammo have 0 mass and no secondary ModTypes.

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Originally posted by orcaloverbri9:
**Well, it seems that one of the following is happening:

It is adding the torpedos' mass, minus one;

It is adding the torpedos' mass, minus the mass of the item you are giving it.

So, in this case, I suppose you'd put 1. In other cases, we'd need to test it.

Why don't you try it with 1?

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I did one better and set the FreeMass to 0. It then doubled the mass of the allotted torps as "free" mass, i.e. a ship that had 4 torps had room for 4 more torps.

I suppose I could outfit all ships with half the torpedos I intend them to have, but that's just a work-around (much like I had to do with my other multiple torp issue). I'd like to figure out why it's doing this, though.

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I think you should try deleting the supernumerary outfits that's referencing the weapon and/or ammo and see if the problem clears up. It seems fishy to me.

If that fixes things, then you can carefully re-implement them until you find the point at which it's screwing up.

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I'll give it a shot -- I kinda need the two weapons to draw from the same ammo source, though.

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**I'll give it a shot -- I kinda need the two weapons to draw from the same ammo source, though.

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Yes. But after you do that you will know exactly what causes the system to screw up - and thus we all can gain a greater understanding of the game engine and it's limitations and bugs, and mabey even report it to Matt Burch.
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I'll give it a shot -- I kinda need the two weapons to draw from the same ammo source, though.

You can do that with two different weapons, though.

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I always thought that the engine didn't include standard outfits in the free space calculation. If you say the ship has 5 tons of space, and 200 tons of outfits, you could sell all the outfits to get 200 tons of space. Otherwise pretty nasty things could happen if you did that.

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Originally posted by blackhole:
**I always thought that the engine didn't include standard outfits in the free space calculation. If you say the ship has 5 tons of space, and 200 tons of outfits, you could sell all the outfits to get 200 tons of space. Otherwise pretty nasty things could happen if you did that.

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My understanding is that if:
Freespace=100 tons
Combined weapons=110 tons
Combined standard outfits= 120 tons
If the player sold everything off, they would be left with 330 tons of space.
Is that the same as what you were saying?
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