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Originally posted by VoinianAmbassador:
**Azdara?
Try a Voinian Heavy Fighter with experimental shield generator. Woohoo!
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maybe I'll try that sometime....
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It's really quite interesting. The original topic is (url="http://"http://www.AmbrosiaSW.com/webboard/Forum8/HTML/004335.html")here(/url)
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if only the Voinian Heavy Fighter had 1 crew....
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Computer against computer or, were it possible, human against human, it's all the same. Tactics we employ are simple things - and other than a little more luck and maybe a tad more skill employing them, no-one is really beyond anyone else in skill. That is why I believe that in a multi-player version of EV:O, the Voinian dreadnought would win (automatically excluding the experimental shield generator...God that thing is crazy). After that, it depends on the outfitting - the Voinian cruiser holding place over any Igazra or U.E. cruiser outfitted with phase weaponry, and I believe the Azdgari warship also.
Between a well outfitted Igazra, U.E. cruiser or Voinian cruiser, I'd imagine it to be fairly close. Maybe if we could find a typical player outfitting style - whichever one is most common out of all the people on the boards - we could match these ships against each other, computer against computer, with logical custom outfitting... the only problem there being exceeding the four weapon slots for a ship in EV and EV:O.
The Azdgari warship is quite impressive, I will confess, but logically it must be considerably expensive...so the idea of "just a cheap warship" that seems to hang everywhere might not be appropriate. I've seen them destroy Igazras, but that's a childs' trick - in a human fight, the Igazra would slaughter those Azdaras, and the Azdgari warship itself isn't up to a fight - not on its own; not against a good Igazra.
On the matter of single handedly defeating Igazras, I've seen a Zidara and its escorts destroy an Igazra and an Igadzra Arada, with no intervening ships at the time or beforehand to lower shielding. It was quite a sight - I managed to stop gaping after a while, and starting leaping about, happy for the Zidagar.
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Originally posted by SilverDragon:
the Voinian cruiser holding place over any Igazra or U.E. cruiser outfitted with phase weaponry, and I believe the Azdgari warship also.The UE cruiser is not outfitted with phase weapons
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The Azdgari warship is quite impressive, I will confess, but logically it must be considerably expensive...so the idea of "just a cheap warship" that seems to hang everywhere might not be appropriate.
The Igazra is one of the most expensive ships in the game, sure the azdgari warship would be just as expensive, when outfitted with azdaras, but still...
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On the matter of single handedly defeating Igazras, I've seen a Zidara and its escorts destroy an Igazra and an Igadzra Arada, with no intervening ships at the time or beforehand to lower shielding.
How can a ship, single handedly, destroy another ship, if backed up by escorts?
Anyways, it's not because I'm not agreeing with what you say. It just seems like you contradict yourself
(you're contradicting yourself) which is right?(This message has been edited by Opalius (edited 07-22-2002).)
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Originally posted by Opalius:
The UE cruiser is not outfitted with phase weaponsI was talking player outfitted. I'd imagine quite a few people use phase weaponry on their U.E. cruisers - it's a very effective primary weapon. I suppose a knot use neutron and a sprinkle use blaze, but I'd bet most use phase.
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Originally posted by Opalius:
The Igazra is one of the most expensive ships in the game, sure the azdgari warship would be just as expensive, when outfitted with azdaras, but still...I'm just staying, it's funny that many people view the Azdgari warship as being an amazing warship, lighter and cheaper than the Igazra but much more powerful. Unfortunately, I'm going to have to ignore ResEdit's values here, because logic seems to fall down the moment it reaches the Azdgari warship's cost. I mean, a naval Azdara costs a third of the cost of the full thing? It lacks a hyperdrive, perhaps, and I'd doubt much else.
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Originally posted by Opalius:
**How can a ship, single handedly, destroy another ship, if backed up by escorts?Anyways, it's not because I'm not agreeing with what you say. It just seems like you contradict yourself
(you're contradicting yourself) which is right?**By "escorts" I was referring to its pair of Zidagar fighters - carried internally, I considered it a single handed feat. I suppose it's arguable. I'd like to see an Azdgari warship "single handedly" defeat an Igazra without its fighters, though. <grins>
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Originally posted by SilverDragon:
**By "escorts" I was referring to its pair of Zidagar fighters - carried internally, I considered it a single handed feat.
**Allmost nothing, except a voinian cruiser can defeat an Igazra, all by it self.
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Originally posted by Opalius:
Allmost nothing, except a voinian cruiser can defeat an Igazra, all by it self.
Still, wouldn't you say that the azdgari warship carries it fighters internally?
And if so, what's the difference between the warship and the Zidara?Gah, I skipped. I said I considered the Zidagar fighters internal and therefore making the Zidara's feat "single handed", and then jumped around and said that if you would consider that not to be single handed, the Azdgari warship could not destroy an Igazra either.
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Originally posted by Opalius:
Oh well, I think we're running in circles. And it's getting to late for me to disagree with people, you won:)Now there's something you never hear in B&B.; Glad I didn't mention how much I'm beginning to disagree with some of what I said now! <winks>
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<laughs> well this was fun to read.
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the most powerful is Igazra of course... max phase turrets, 4 shield upgrades, dospect armour, plasma siphon, and a SAE device with 35 SAE... hmm... bullets
i dont rememeber 
whatever... and all these missle,needle,sad and other disruptors and ur invincible... phase turrets and siphon against everything and some SAE to end up the voinians... nobody can math it when one-on-one... or even one-on-two and thats my own ship USS Invader...------------------
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Originally posted by 1_Al!EN_0:
**the most powerful is Igazra of course... max phase turrets, 4 shield upgrades, dospect armour, plasma siphon, and a SAE device with 35 SAE... hmm... bullets:D i dont rememeber whatever... and all these missle,needle,sad and other disruptors and ur invincible... phase turrets and siphon against everything and some SAE to end up the voinians... nobody can math it when one-on-one... or even one-on-two and thats my own ship USS Invader...
**I have a similar setup. Really, I have found you are quite vincible indeed. That's a good Igrazra, yes, but if you go up against a lot of fighters, you will die unless you have escorts (I recommend taking over a couple Zidaras).
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Originally posted by Mahayana:
but if you go up against a lot of fighters, you will die unless you have escortsI am very not sure, the plasma syphon can do pretty well by slowing down the fighter's course and letting the phase turrets do their work.
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a lot of fighters cand do much damage but... only a lot - more than 6 crescent fighters or UE if they are all close to me... the biggest problem is with crescent f. because of their speed... but rapid course changes and plasma siphon should do the trick...
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the Dreadnought would kill your Igazra with ease. sure its not as fast but it has 1500 armor. 6 enhanced neutron turrets. and 10 carried intercepters. oh and lets not forget the salvo rockets. in a head to head the dreanought kills all.
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We all know that the Dreadnaught is one a kind, but what I most Ťfearť is when it starts raining neutron bolts. The rockets can be avoided easily(...) while its escort is no match for a Igazra.
Then you can still Monthy Python
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Originally posted by Ne Demord Jamais:
**I am very not sure, the plasma syphon can do pretty well by slowing down the fighter's course and letting the phase turrets do their work.
**True. I've also found that using a repulsor beam can help greatly against fighters when flying my Igazra.
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