Interesting...
I personally didn't find the webstories very different from the bars. The webstories had rules, but there's nothing about the bars that says they can't ahve rules too.
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Cuz I'm a 21st Century Digital Boy
I don't know the Monty Python but I've got a lotta toys
My daddy is a Renegade, his name is Hellcat Helian
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Somehow this didn´t help much....I mean look at this:
(url="http://"http://www.AmbrosiaSW.com/webboard/Forum8/HTML/003505.html")Bar(/url)
(url="http://"http://www.AmbrosiaSW.com/webboard/Forum8/HTML/003537.html")Another one(/url)
(url="http://"http://www.AmbrosiaSW.com/webboard/Forum8/HTML/003418.html")And another one(/url)
(url="http://"http://www.AmbrosiaSW.com/webboard/Forum8/HTML/003387.html")Other one, sight(/url)
(url="http://"http://www.AmbrosiaSW.com/webboard/Forum8/HTML/003516.html")I can continue(/url)
And this is just the bars in top of the mainpage :rolleyes:
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**The main problem with multiple bars is that there is only a limited number of topics that are shown on the page, so topics that are perfectly active, such as unanswered questons, are thrown off the first page to a realm very few people actually look at, and thus the questions are never answered.
Considering that, and the fact that the posts in bars are complete spam, to keep bars at all a considerable change must be made. So, I'll try and be productive here, and make a few points. Although I'd tend to lean with Warbeast's opinion, that this really isn't very purposeful - because we all know Soviet Mikee will say "hmm.... I think I'll do my plan anyway" <winks> - I think this time I'll try and take part in this discussion, instead of doing what I normally do, which is to read over and find myself with no reason to post.
First matter, the content of bars. I made an effort in one bar to make a plot, however, that didn't go far. At least, I made it with a few other people and formed the whole story very quickly, because we all knew - and Phoenix proved it - that someone would just come in with their Infinite Unending Totally Unstoppable Omega Blaster (or CHEAT as it is sometimes referred to when found in games) and just stop the plot in it's tracks. Since we finished it before anyone could post, that couldn't happen, but we got one or two "alternative endings" with the whole "I killed you all with my CHEAT".
Thus, I would like to propose this:
If a bar descends into spam, and lacks a) a formulated mini-webstory like plot or 
a discussion forum (such as the bar centres on talking about achievements in EVO or fictional stories the person or their character would like to tell), then that bar should be deleted. Not locked, deleted. That gets around the problem with topics going off page, I believe.
Of course, if one or two people post spam, or go off topic, that isn't enough of a reason. It's if in a dozen posts there isn't a single productive one that I believe this should be done. Sorry, Mikee, that this course of action deletes the need of your locking picture. <smiles>
It should be made clear that bars do not escape the normal posting rules of EVO. They don't need to be in-topic, in-character all the time. They are one of the best places for someone to ask "where did XX go?" instead of posting a topic about it. Taking them away isn't the answer, nor is ignoring them. Striving to make something of them is in my opinion the best option.
And when it comes to the number of bars, one. Any more and they are just a bunch of topics that are completely useless. One bar at a time has more traffic, and thus it would be better used as an off-topic questioning topic as well as a place for small plotlines and stories. If someone asks "where's XX?" in an unused topic, then s/he won't get an answer. Also, if they post "where's XX?" in about ten different bars, they are simply spamming.
So, in my opinion, delete any multiple bars, and have a single "official" bar. The system of "who gets to start the new bar" actually works, by looking at the people who visit the bars a lot. On another note, worthwhile bars might be one of the major things that bring back my interest to the boards. The first was losing my computer for a week, the second will be Reign of Chaos II and Golden Horizon.
Finally, please note that webstories and bars are extremely different. One webstory at a time... <shivers> Personally, I believe the limit on that should be two. If you think back for a moment, Dark Tide and Reign of Chaos worked fine together, each with totally different but still enough players.
SilverDragon
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This is needlessly complicated. They're just bars. Even six of them don't push useful question topics to the second page. They're a valid part of the culture that has evolved on these boards and whilst not web-stories or questions are a place people obviously want to have. They usually have the most views and posts by the most people in one sitting.
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Ya know, I sure haven't heard much from people who like bars. It looks to me from This that No one likes them, but when I look at the topic list I see things like Space Station Alpha with 180+ (or whatever it is now) posts. People seem to like them. Personally I'd like to hear from some of those before any decision based on discussion is made. It doesn't matter if this is just a farce and SM already has a plan that he's gonna implement regardless, but if it isn't, well, this is still close to being a farce because the defense sure isn't getting represented.
Personally right now I'm sorta down with the STS bar series. I would however like to see the extra bars that maybe get one post per day be locked. SSA is currently getting loads of posts, so that sort of gives it justification, I'd think. I don't think there should be a Rule against bars, just a rule against bars with insufficient posting (make a standard). If they aren't getting, lets say 10 posts, per day then lock em. That'll take care of the spam of these little insignificant bars, but lets the primary one(s) continue unmolested.
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I confess I did not read all the posts, on account of them being long and boring, but here's my opinion. I like bars. Some are just A blasts off B's head, but some people like those. This has already been said, but it doesn't appear to be getting through: You don't like 'em, you don't read 'em
I believe a well known phrase applies to this: It's a web board, get a life.
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At this point we're just repeating what other people have already said. I haven't changed my mind about bars, and I doubt anyone else here has. This is getting pretty pointless.
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Cuz I'm a 21st Century Digital Boy
I don't know the Monty Python but I've got a lotta toys
My daddy is a Renegade, his name is Hellcat Helian
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Originally posted by Jess:
**I confess I did not read all the posts, on account of them being long and boring, but here's my opinion. I like bars. Some are just A blasts off B's head, but some people like those. This has already been said, but it doesn't appear to be getting through: You don't like 'em, you don't read 'em
I believe a well known phrase applies to this: It's a web board, get a life.
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Just to play Devil's advocate here, I don't like getting spam in my email either. I get between 2 and 10 of them per day. Sure, I don't "have" to read them, but they are annoying nonetheless.
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I like bars, and I certainly would be angry if someone closed down my bar because a few people complained about there being to many. And as for the, "A blasts B's head of with super duper laser blaster," for some reason people are still posting those messages, even if they get extremely monotonous. I think that my bar, at least, and one or two others should be kept on the boards, mine solely because the string has been around for a while, and others because people like spending time in them. Think of them as very short computerized vacations, where people, once in a while, like to get away from their lives for a short period of time and have a little fun blasting people's heads off with superhumonguousdeathraylasergunofabsurdsize's. Keep the bars. I agree with Jess; there is no reason people should get so uptight from a few useless (as some would call them) threads.
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I used to like bars, back then when they were permitted in the EVN forum. Now, there's WAY too much bars. There should be about one bar every 4 months or so to preserve the fun-ness of them. Excess of a fun thing makes it boring....
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If we can get people to voluntarily stop posting new bar topics when others are already open, moderator intervention may not be necessary. I never saw the point of bar topics, but if they are going to be here, they need to be reduced in number. Why not let the ones that are already here run their courses, but not start new ones until there are 1 or 0 left on the first page? This will cut back on the competition for posts among these topics, and will give mikee, who is likely the busiest moderator, less to read through.
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Originally posted by Soviet mikee:
**Just to play Devil's advocate here, I don't like getting spam in my email either. I get between 2 and 10 of them per day. Sure, I don't "have" to read them, but they are annoying nonetheless.
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2-10? Wow! I get 3 times that just in my inbox- let alone my bulk mail folder!
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They are? Where?
