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Originally posted by Jon Potter:
**I may be mistaken, but I assure you, I'm not lying.

My source for this info is an Apple promotional piece called: "50 Macintosh Advantages".

As a promotional piece the reporting may be a little biased against Windows.

And if you re-read the end of my previous post, you'll see where it says it's all "based on Mac OS 8.1 vs Windows 95. Sorry, I have nothing more current for comparison."

I also claim no knowledge of Linux which appears to be your OS of choice.

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Alright, well PCs have had plug and play for quite a while now. That is almost like me saying Macs don't have firewire support because they didn't 6 years ago.

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(QUOTE)Originally posted by Rogue:
**Windows crashes all the time, and shows all these confusing messages that the user never knows what they mean, and is just down-right user-unfriendly. Macintosh computers are much more user-friendly, and they don't crash as much. They may be slower than PCs, but that will change within the next few years. I also happen to know a fun-fact about Windows: The logo and many graphics for the Windows operating systems were actually made on a Macintosh computer. So there!:p **

Most of what you said was an opinion. Windows crashes as much as Mac OS from what I have seen. If you do regular maintaince on both OSs, you find it crashes far less. Take my machine, on Mac OS I don't even remember the last time it froze, it has been so long... simply because I have a clean, optimized, high RAM system.

And yes, even Gateway uses Macs in their advertising department because Mac OS is THE platform for multimedia.

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Originally posted by Oedipus:
who gives a sh about the mice? macs run faster.**

ahem That's a baseless opinion. Macs run faster than....? A Windows based PC?

i have used windows ME, 98, 95, and various others, and my humble g4 is still smoother and quicker than any top of the line pc's that I have ever seen.(except for, of course, pc's running linux; which are just as good as macs)

Well, next time looking at PCs other than low-end machines.

In fact, I think we should just compare the OS, not the actual comp. it would be much clearer than saying everything is better on one or the other.(/b)

The topic says, "Viva la PC!" hmm... I think we are talking about PCs

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Originally posted by Meowx Design:
Originally posted by Soviet mikee:
Shablabla, I like Linux.
Then run it on a Mac and quit being the Anti-Mac. Unless you don't like Macs, which hasn't been the issue you've been presenting...

I am not being anti-mac, I am just not being a Mac zealot, arguing againt rabid Mac users. And I do run Linux on my Mac. The problem is that there is not enough software ported to the PPC, so the x86 still does have more software, even with Linux.

Other than an (over)abundance of software, give me one FACT (not opinion) that you can back up stating why PCs are better than Macs.
-david-

That's like saying give me one reason I shouldn't run BeOS other than the fact there is no software. That's a VERY good reason. Also the fact that you are not limited when it comes to hardware. Mac hardware sometimes cost more and there is less of it. PCs are cheaper too.

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Originally posted by Soviet mikee:
That's like saying give me one reason I shouldn't run BeOS other than the fact there is no software. That's a VERY good reason.

The Mac OS DOES have more than two pieces of software, unlike BE. (Ok, that's a guestimate.) However, besides some games, the Mac is very capable of performing any task I can think of that a PC could with either a Mac version of the software that the PC uses or a similar program. And let's not forget emulation - if it's not a game we're talking about, emulation is a very reasonable alternative. I will openly admit, however, that the PC does have the advantage when it comes to who has more of the best new games.

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Originally posted by Soviet mikee:
Also the fact that you are not limited when it comes to hardware. Mac hardware sometimes cost more and there is less of it. PCs are cheaper too.

I take it by "limited" you mean "only one company makes it." Apple tried clones for a while, it just didn't work for them. Yes, PowerComputing was doing very well, but only about 5-10% of their customers were perviously PC users. The rest were being sucked away from Apple's machines (because they were overpriced.) As for "costs more and get less" the only thing that I can think of that would hold true to this quote (based on Apple's current line) is the Cube. And yes, I mean that in more than "it cost more money but look how small it is." The Cube is overpriced, plain and simple. That's why it hasn't been doing so well. Yes, you can find a cheaper PC than the bottom of the line iMac, but I doubt you can find a new one that outpreforms it.

Oh, and you all should know that the latest Microsoft rip-off is here: Viva la (url="http://"http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/guide/smarter.asp")Windows XP(/url)! (NOT X. Really. I swear.) I expect that you will all be sending (url="http://"http://www@microsoft.com")emails to Microsoft(/url).
-david-

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I much prefer macs to PCs. I find them to be more user-friendly, faster, and more powerful. My only regret is missing out on some great games that should be ported to mac.

But that's just my opinion. PCs do have a few advantages to macs, such as preemptive multitasking and protected memory. PCs are also cheaper, and it's easier to brag about a 1.5 ghz P4 than a 500 mhz G4 that runs just as fast as a P4. Plus better software.

But most other categories: (Speed, style, ease of use, etc.) go to the mac hands down. I dislike PCs intensely because of their clunky "start" menu and their general frustrating interface design. (All PCs referred to here are Windows based.) Bottom line, I'll take a Mac over a similarly priced PC any day of the week. And twice on Thursdays.

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Macs are expensive, yes, because they're better. For one thing, they're faster, they run smoother, they're quieter (good for playing late-night sessions with someone else in the house), and the games on Mac are (to me) much better. I have a Windows 98 at my house as well as a G3, and the windows makes all this loud humming noise, while the Mac is silent. And when I turn on my Mac, in about 15 seconds, I'm ready to go straight to one of my games or check e-mail. On the Windows, there's all this text, blah blah blah, virus check (which is virtually useless, and even when it's finished it starts up a new one and it just goes on....), taking up about 3 minutes of my limited spare time. Another thing: you can't play any good Ambrosia games on Mac. i don't see why Windows loyalists even post on a board for a mac-only game. The only problem I seem to have with my mac is that I can't download my favorite Warcraft III desktop......

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Originally posted by ESPilot:
Another thing: you can't play any good Ambrosia games on Mac.

I'll just quickly point out the obvious as a MISTAKE here before some Mac-hater tries to use it to thier advantage...
-david-

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Hmm... I am privlidged that I have lived a sheltered life (I don't recall a single piece of pc hardware ever being brought into my house), but I have used pc's sometimes. All we have at school are pc's, and they are pretty crappy. Having never used a pc before, the interface is really confusing, and the first time I used one at school (in 7th grade), I couldn't figure out how to do anything. Someone who likes pc's might argue that anyone would have problems with a new interface that was unfarmiliar, but that's not true, because I have had at least 3 friends come over to my house who had only used pc's come over to my house and have no problems using my mac. Two of those people now own Macintosh computers :). My dad is the head of a lab where he works, and they only use macs. They have a pretty impressive computer room. Three G3's, two of which have a G4 upgrade in them, and one hella sweet 450 mhz G4. They're all networked on a t1, and I get speeds of about 400k/sec on the G4. It's the life. My dad has a G4 cube in his office, with a 21 inch flatscreen monitor, and that thing is god... At home we have had a 266 mhz G3, which we bought in early '97. It's not the best computer, but my 3 1/2 year old mac absolutely kills any other 3 1/2 year old pc, its not even funny. Actually, I can load a Myth 2 map in about 25 seconds, but at my friend's house, he owns a 400 mhz Pentium III I think, which came out in '98 (I think), it takes about 50 seconds. Yeah, there are a lot more games for pc's, but that is starting to change, and I think the games made mac only are a lot cooler than pc only games (mostly Ambrosia's stuff). That's my 2 or 3 ˘ about why Macs are, and will always be better than pc's.

Lone

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Originally posted by Soviet mikee:
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The topic says, "Viva la PC!" hmm... I think we are talking about PCs;)

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the topic may say viva la PC, but lately it's turned into winblowz vs. macOS, so lets make it a little more concentrated

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and doesnt it make you feel better, the pigs have won tonight. They can all sleep soundly now, and everything is all right

does anyone know of a game similar to EV. lIke really similar ? like for PC. Il ike EV but i preffer PCs. please help me out. can you send me your reply at vosnoboard@bobolinks.com

Originally posted by Meowx Design:
**
The Mac OS DOES have more than two pieces of software, unlike BE. (Ok, that's a guestimate.) However, besides some games, the Mac is very capable of performing any task I can think of that a PC could with either a Mac version of the software that the PC uses or a similar program. And let's not forget emulation - if it's not a game we're talking about, emulation is a very reasonable alternative. I will openly admit, however, that the PC does have the advantage when it comes to who has more of the best new games.**

And that's a hella good reason to have one. It is not about tasks but software choices. Atleast you admit that you can't water down or ignore one of the major reasons for getting a Wintel.

Originally posted by Soviet mikee:
Also the fact that you are not limited when it comes to hardware. Mac hardware sometimes cost more and there is less of it. PCs are cheaper too.
I take it by "limited" you mean "only one company makes it." Apple tried clones for a while, it just didn't work for them. Yes, PowerComputing was doing very well, but only about 5-10% of their customers were perviously PC users. The rest were being sucked away from Apple's machines (because they were overpriced.)

Right. Because we all know monopolies are better for the consumer. Whether or not clones were good for Apple is besides the point. You are trapped in a monopoly if you are a Mac user.

As for "costs more and get less" the only thing that I can think of that would hold true to this quote (based on Apple's current line) is the Cube. And yes, I mean that in more than "it cost more money but look how small it is." The Cube is overpriced, plain and simple. That's why it hasn't been doing so well. Yes, you can find a cheaper PC than the bottom of the line iMac, but I doubt you can find a new one that outpreforms it.

My AMD 550MHz PC outperforms my 233iMac on many, many things. And the former cost much less. If you build your own PC, it cost 1/2 or less than a Mac of the same performance.

Oh, and you all should know that the latest Microsoft rip-off is here: Viva la (url="http://"http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/guide/smarter.asp")Windows XP(/url)! (NOT X. Really. I swear.) I expect that you will all be sending (url="http://"http://www@microsoft.com")emails to Microsoft(/url).
-david-

How is XP a rip-off? And of what?

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Originally posted by ESPilot:
**Macs are expensive, yes, because they're better. For one thing, they're faster, they run smoother, they're quieter (good for playing late-night sessions with someone else in the house), and the games on Mac are (to me) much better. I have a Windows 98 at my house as well as a G3, and the windows makes all this loud humming noise, while the Mac is silent. And when I turn on my Mac, in about 15 seconds, I'm ready to go straight to one of my games or check e-mail. On the Windows, there's all this text, blah blah blah, virus check (which is virtually useless, and even when it's finished it starts up a new one and it just goes on....), taking up about 3 minutes of my limited spare time. Another thing: you can't play any good Ambrosia games on Mac. i don't see why Windows loyalists even post on a board for a mac-only game. The only problem I seem to have with my mac is that I can't download my favorite Warcraft III desktop......

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Windows makes noise? Now you are just trolling.

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Originally posted by Soviet mikee:
And that's a hella good reason to have one. It is not about tasks but software choices. Atleast you admit that you can't water down or ignore one of the major reasons for getting a Wintel.

If variety in games are all you get a computer for, then get a PC. End of story.

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Originally posted by Soviet mikee:
Right. Because we all know monopolies are better for the consumer. Whether or not clones were good for Apple is besides the point. You are trapped in a monopoly if you are a Mac user.

And this is bad?

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Originally posted by Soviet mikee:
My AMD 550MHz PC outperforms my 233iMac on many, many things. And the former cost much less. If you build your own PC, it cost 1/2 or less than a Mac of the same performance.

Did you purchase them at the same time? And ok, you're right on that - if you build your own PC, it's cheaper. But you can do the same with a Mac.

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Originally posted by Soviet mikee:
How is XP a rip-off? And of what?

:rolleyes:
Take a reeeaal close look at the look of that interface. Seen anything like before? Ever?
-david-

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Originally posted by Meowx Design:
**if you build your own PC, it's cheaper. But you can do the same with a Mac.
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It's just a lot harder.

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Originally posted by GAM:
Why are we talking about this s*, PCs are better Starkiller doesn't deserve any f*ing Karma. You guys are idiots

I didn't get karma from that. And, no, I am not an idiot, thank you very much. Oh, by the way, people are more inclined to listen to you and your side if you present an argument instead of a personal attack.

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Originally posted by Soviet mikee:
**How is XP a rip-off? And of what?

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It is the progression of a rip-off of a rip-off. To all the Mac lovers out there, don't think that the Mac OS was the first of its kind. The name of the other system escapes me, but there was one there. And the Steves ripped off of it.

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Originally posted by Meowx Design:
Originally posted by Soviet mikee:
And that's a hella good reason to have one. It is not about tasks but software choices. Atleast you admit that you can't water down or ignore one of the major reasons for getting a Wintel.(/QUOTE)
If variety in games are all you get a computer for, then get a PC. End of story.
Originally posted by Soviet mikee:
Right. Because we all know monopolies are better for the consumer. Whether or not clones were good for Apple is besides the point. You are trapped in a monopoly if you are a Mac user.
And this is bad?

Well, I don't know how old you are, or how much you know of the US past, but things weren't great when their was a telephone monopoly. Competition is almost ALWAYS better.

**Originally posted by Soviet mikee:
My AMD 550MHz PC outperforms my 233iMac on many, many things. And the former cost much less. If you build your own PC, it cost 1/2 or less than a Mac of the same performance.
Did you purchase them at the same time? And ok, you're right on that - if you build your own PC, it's cheaper. But you can do the same with a Mac. **

Ok, before I get flamed for not knowing the workings of the inside of a Mac, I do. I work at a Mac store and I refurbish, repair and rebuild Macs. I have worked on just about anything you can name. And I know from experience that you can not build a Mac. All you can do is REBUILD Macs. When it comes to a PC you can find old parts laying around the house, slap them together and voila, you have a computer. When it comes to cases there are two basic types, AT and ATX. And you can usually put AT boards in ATXs and vice versa. You can't put a 8500 board in a 7500. You can't buy a new G4 board and put it in the case of your liking.

Originally posted by Soviet mikee:
How is XP a rip-off? And of what?(
:rolleyes:
Take a reeeaal close look at the look of that interface. Seen anything like before? Ever?

Nope. All I see if a colorful, almost childlike interface. The problem is, that the development of the Windows XP GUI began in 1998. Well over a year before Aqua was first shown.

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Originally posted by Starkiller:
**It is the progression of a rip-off of a rip-off. To all the Mac lovers out there, don't think that the Mac OS was the first of its kind. The name of the other system escapes me, but there was one there. And the Steves ripped off of it.

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hint

Xerox

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