Grrrr......Verry mad at this Masked character. The whole world is against Macs! ARGGH!
I am the only one of my friends with the opinion that Macs are better. Especially in graphics programs. I have used PC'S before-nothing but trouble! Im always needing to fix the ones I've used. It's ridiculous! Death to PC's! Also, I believe the Windows leads to suffering... motto should be the rally cry of all Mac-lovers everywhere...

YARRRR! Death to PC's! Hear the cry of the mac revolution!

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Originally posted by Oedipus:
**plus, the new 733 mhz g4 operates at 5.5 gigaflops(5.5 billion floating point operations per second) which is faster than even a 1.5 ghz p4. this means that macs are twice as fast, have an easier OS, have a new unix based OS, are more lenient with names, are harder to hack in to, are quieter, look cooler, and have some of the best games i have ever seen(specifically ambrosia ones;) )! now, how can you say that pc's are better? i have used both, and macs easily come out on top

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No, Apple doesn't even claim the Pentium4 1.2 GHz is twice as fast. They say the G4@733 is 33% faster.

Now, the only time I believe anything is by seeing. Certainly statistics can be manipulated by doing the right things in Photoshop, remember that is ALL that is used by Apple to test their machines, even though it is the best app Mac users are concerned with to be using. Apple could of doctored those tests by using a series of radial blurs which is the P4 appears to be struggling with.

If you need to run Windows applications fast then your G4 is worthless. Also comes into play is value, and the PC has a 733 MHz G4 whopped.

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Originally posted by Meowx Design:
**I say, "Why the hell did the iMac sell like hotcakes?" The way Apple's hardware looks is simply amazing. Even the old beige G3 tower (with the green button on top) that we had back in the lab a few years ago was the subject of "That computer looks cool!" "Yeah, that's all that really matters." (Spoken by two PC users.) And I won't even start on ease of use and customization. Enough rambling for me.
-david-

**

No, the iMac did real well because Apple made it impossible for their consumer market to buy anything else. Simple fact is, the gave Mac users no other choice. They killed the clone market and the G3 was a bit pricey, so people who had hundreds and thousands of dollars of software for the Macs HAD NO OTHER CHOICE, other than buying a G3.

Now, I think Apple did a great job with the EXTERNAL design of the iMac and it was a good idea. But Apple really needs to make a non-hippy/girlie consumer desktop, and now.

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Can anyone tell me why this hasn't been moved to B&B; yet?

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Originally posted by Jubee:
**I work with PC's everyday. To tell you the truth, you do get used to them. The reason for the extensions is to help the computer sort easier. Granted this makes things harder on the user and can get buggy especially in the win 95. Technically speaking a processer in a Windows format finds info faster than a mac because of the sorting process. I still remember all the trouble I went through with my PC. It crashed and in general was a pain in the horse's rear. Not once has the old mac at my parents house crashed though. I is actually a shame though that so much software that is useful to me in my field is windows based. I think that is why mac's have trouble in the computer market. They just are not in control of the main software packages and so many other people have PC's that compatibility becomes a problem in most cases. With all that said I really wish I had thta mac here at school because it has my favorite game. EVO!!

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Few things:
- There is no such thing as a Windows-formated processor. There is only x86 and it is not limited by the OS, rather the OS is limited by what processors it can run on.
- Don't bring up Windows95, it is almost 6 years old, try something more current

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Originally posted by Jess:
**Macs work better, are more efficient and are much easier to use. Have you ever tried to get into those files on the PC that just have a windows icon? You have to do all sorts of 'open with' stuff, that never works. I have to take everything, windows inc. off my PC about once every 6 months. The only reason I have a PC is 'cos there are more games. You know, when I bought my PC the CPU was set up wrong and I had to buy a new one!!

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What on Earth are you talking about? If your Mac doesn't know what file type a file is it does the exact same thing.

Windows does not store information like file type and creator type in the file as Mac OS does, rather it uses file extensions like.this and the specific file type can be opened two different ways, either by setting Windows to open all files of that type in a program or giving you the option to open it in your choice of programs.

Whether or not one method is better than another is a matter of opinion. I don't see how your CPU could of been "set up wrong", either it is in and compatible or it isn't. If it is broken or incompatible you just get another one, only a fool would buy a new computer because of that.

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Originally posted by Starkiller:
**Beware the Gates. Gates leads to Microsoft. Microsoft leads to Windows. Windows leads to... suffering.

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Ugh, you're not kidding. Once saw a bird fly headfirst into one. Boy was it suffering. And what about foggy windows? Those really make you suffer. Especially if you're driving down a mountain road at 70 miles per hour. That's a death wish right there.

I can't believe how many Gates sympathizers we've got on a webboard devoted to a Mac-only game.

Typically, I wouldn't respond to debates of this sort, but I'm afraid that someone might actually read this and begin to think, "Hey, maybe I should go to the dark side." It's completely baffling to me how someone could sit down at a Mac and then go sit at a PC and think that the latter was better.

Certainly, there are more PCs in the marketplace than there are Macs - and more software choices for them too. But someone on these boards used to have a clever sig comparing the numbers of PCs to Macs and cockroaches to humans. As that analogy illustrated, quantity isn't the important factor; it's quality.

Let's talk about what happens when you pop a floppy disk into a Mac. Presto! It pops up on the desktop, ready to use.
Let's talk about what happens when you pop a floppy disk into a PC. Nothing happens until you navigate through "My Computer" to the proper drive icon and open it manually.

Suppose you want to check how much memory your system and apps are using on a Mac. Go to "About This Computer" under the apple menu and get the actual megabyte values.
Suppose you want to check how much memory your system and apps are using on a PC. Well, you can't really. You can use the Resource Meter to get percentages of free data, but not actual sizes.

Want to change your mouse while your working on a Mac? Go ahead. No problem.
Want to change your mouse while your working on a PC? Well... you'll need to shut down and switch out the mouse and then restart.

These are just a few examples. they aren't all of the reasons or even the most important reasons to buy a Mac. They just happen to be a few of the first reasons on my list. And this short list is based on Mac OS 8.1 vs Windows 95. Sorry, I have nothing more current for comparison.

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Originally posted by Soviet mikee:
**No, the iMac did real well because Apple made it impossible for their consumer market to buy anything else. Simple fact is, the gave Mac users no other choice. They killed the clone market and the G3 was a bit pricey, so people who had hundreds and thousands of dollars of software for the Macs HAD NO OTHER CHOICE, other than buying a G3.

Now, I think Apple did a great job with the EXTERNAL design of the iMac and it was a good idea. But Apple really needs to make a non-hippy/girlie consumer desktop, and now.
**

I'll agree that Apple's new iMacs are horrid, but there are still other colors. Not to mention the G4. And do you honestly think that if the iMac was some PM 5500 with a G3 processor it would have sold as good? Uh-uh. People looked at the iMac, said, "I want that," and bought it.
-david-

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Sorta happened to me

Hey, monitor, modem, mouse, keyboard, softwarepackage were included... What else could a 15 year old kid want?
If you ask me, 333 Mhz is good enough to beat any of my friend's computers (Win d'oh! s computers)

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Plug-in I'm working on with a couple of others.

Originally posted by Jon Potter:
I can't believe how many Gates sympathizers we've got on a webboard devoted to a Mac-only game.

Really? I didn't know we had any? Who specifically?

Let's talk about what happens when you pop a floppy disk into a Mac. Presto! It pops up on the desktop, ready to use.
Let's talk about what happens when you pop a floppy disk into a PC. Nothing happens until you navigate through "My Computer" to the proper drive icon and open it manually.

Yes, because under WINDOWS floppies aren't automounted, CD are. Considering no one uses Floppies anymore, I don't see this as being that important. However, in other OSs like Linux, you can have your floppy automounted.

Suppose you want to check how much memory your system and apps are using on a Mac. Go to "About This Computer" under the apple menu and get the actual megabyte values.
Suppose you want to check how much memory your system and apps are using on a PC. Well, you can't really. You can use the Resource Meter to get percentages of free data, but not actual sizes.

Because of proper virtual memory management. If you want, there are utilities to do that, but I don't know why you would want to. Again, this is under Windows, not all PC OSs.

Want to change your mouse while your working on a Mac? Go ahead. No problem.
Want to change your mouse while your working on a PC? Well... you'll need to shut down and switch out the mouse and then restart.

You're lying. First of, please specify the OS. Plug and Play was a major part of Windows 98. You can unplug your USB mouse and plug it right in and it works.

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Originally posted by Soviet mikee:
**You're lying. First of, please specify the OS. Plug and Play was a major part of Windows 98. You can unplug your USB mouse and plug it right in and it works.

**

I may be mistaken, but I assure you, I'm not lying.

My source for this info is an Apple promotional piece called: "50 Macintosh Advantages".

As a promotional piece the reporting may be a little biased against Windows.

And if you re-read the end of my previous post, you'll see where it says it's all "based on Mac OS 8.1 vs Windows 95. Sorry, I have nothing more current for comparison."

I also claim no knowledge of Linux which appears to be your OS of choice.

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Originally posted by Paradigm:
**Can anyone tell me why this hasn't been moved to B &B; yet?

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Because moderators seem to not want to visit this board, and then Andrew thinks that I "Just want to be a moderator".

This has almost NOTHING to do with EVO. It should be locked, moved or both.
~Gav

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I am an avid Macintosh user and Apple supporter. I have to say that I do not like PCs (Windows-based computers), and the only reason I would ever use them, and have ever used them is because I have to use them at school, and because there are many more games available for Windows than for Macintosh. Windows crashes all the time, and shows all these confusing messages that the user never knows what they mean, and is just down-right user-unfriendly. Macintosh computers are much more user-friendly, and they don't crash as much. They may be slower than PCs, but that will change within the next few years. I also happen to know a fun-fact about Windows: The logo and many graphics for the Windows operating systems were actually made on a Macintosh computer. So there!
Oh, yeah, and I was just participating in this discussion so that I could show my support for Macintosh computers and Ambrosia Software. I do, however, agree that this topic should be moved to the B&B; board...

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-Those who sit and listen often learn more than the ones who are talking.

Your right, I suppose this should be on B&B;, very sorry. PCs may be complicated when it comes to the hardware stuff, but 90% of the time when I've swapped mice on a mac it froze right up.

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Viva la PC!

who gives a sh** about the mice? macs run faster. i have used windows ME, 98, 95, and various others, and my humble g4 is still smoother and quicker than any top of the line pc's that I have ever seen.(except for, of course, pc's running linux; which are just as good as macs)

In fact, I think we should just compare the OS, not the actual comp. it would be much clearer than saying everything is better on one or the other.

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and doesnt it make you feel better, the pigs have won tonight. They can all sleep soundly now, and everything is all right

I still think because:
"Beware the Gates. Gates leads to Microsoft. Microsoft leads to Windows. Windows leads to... suffering." is such a good quote that Starkiller should get Karma for this.

Why are we talking about this s***, PCs are better Starkiller doesn't deserve any f***ing Karma. You guys are idiots

Window's to me have the tech of an Emalgha Fighter that was repaired by a Fuzz. Macintosh are superior and anyone that has used both can see that. One of the best arguments for Mac is....

EV/EVO can't be used on Windows.

End Of Story

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Originally posted by Soviet mikee:
Shablabla, I like Linux.

Then run it on a Mac and quit being the Anti-Mac. Unless you don't like Macs, which hasn't been the issue you've been presenting...

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Originally posted by Masked:
PCs may be complicated when it comes to the hardware stuff, but 90% of the time when I've swapped mice on a mac it froze right up.

Not the patient type, are you? When you plug a mouse in, wait a second or two for the USB ports to recognize it. Either this, or you were trying to do it on an ABD Mac. ABD was never hot-swappable. (Although I regularly did and had no problems doing it, btw. I can honestly say I have never had a Mac freeze up from this. And I have used many, Many different kinds of Macs.)

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Originally posted by GAM:
Why are we talking about this s***, PCs are better Starkiller doesn't deserve any f***ing Karma. You guys are idiots

Said the 5-year old.

Other than an (over)abundance of software, give me one FACT (not opinion) that you can back up stating why PCs are better than Macs.
-david-

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(This message has been edited by Meowx Design (edited 04-21-2001).)