Here's a big question: Which warship is the best? To be more precise, which of the following to you prefer the best and which one you think IS the best.

1. UE Cruiser
2. Voinian Cruiser
3. Igazra
4. Crescent Warship
5. Azdgrari Warship

I've been in a CW, outfitted it with neutron turrets, and it was pretty good. However, just today I got in a Voinian cruiser, complete with neutron turrets, Dospect armor, and Bronov plating. CWs can't hurt me! Right now I'm working with the Zachit, and I've already got 3 CWs as escorts! In my opinion, the Voinian cruiser is the best. It can hold more turrets than the Igazra and UE cruiser, and in Strand and Miranu space it is unbeatable.

What's your opinion? You can post either what you prefer the best, or which warship you think is the best (but please give good reasons).

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(This message has been edited by Captain Carnotaur (edited 12-08-2000).)

I like the Voinian Cruiser but don't like working for the Voinians

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Well, they all appeal to different people.
()The (url="http://"http://www.andrew.cmu.edu/user/dsghosh/evosite/shipyard1.html#uecruiser")UE Cruiser(/url) is probably the most powerful warship you listed, but it's not exceptionally fast. It would probably defeat any of the others, though.
()The (url="http://"http://www.andrew.cmu.edu/user/dsghosh/evosite/shipyard2.html#vcruiser")Voinian Cruiser(/url), like you said, is invincible in the Crescent, but the UE Cruiser is better. This thing is too expensive, a bit slower, and lacks a lot of the raw power.
()The (url="http://"http://www.andrew.cmu.edu/user/dsghosh/evosite/shipyard4.html#igazra")Igazra(/url) is pretty powerful, pretty fast, and has the best shields in the game--but either of the two ships above can take it out. Frankly, I don't understand why this is often the Holy Grail of players.
()The (url="http://"http://www.andrew.cmu.edu/user/dsghosh/evosite/shipyard3.html#cresw")Crescent Warship(/url) is my ship. It's faster, but a lot weaker in other ways. It is the worst of all these ships, but I like it. Can't really tell you why.
(*)The (url="http://"http://www.andrew.cmu.edu/user/dsghosh/evosite/shipyard4.html#azdw")Azdgari Warship(/url) is the second-weakest in your list, after the Crescent Warship. It's also the fastest, but its weapons aren't really that great, and its shields are inferior to those of an Igazra.

So overall it's pretty much a tossup. The best in the list, though, to get to the real point, is the UE Cruiser.

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Hmmm.... I'd have to say I think that the Igazra is the best. With 5 Phase Turrets and great maneuverablity for such a powerful ship, I can take out ANYTHING easily in it.

However, my personal favorite to fly in would have to be the UE Cruiser. I have one thing about speed: Either it should be REALLY fast (Azdara is possibly my favorite ship to fly and fight in out of them all) or REALLY SLOW + POWERFUL. If it's kinda sorta fast or slow, I don’t really care. So, what matters to me about the UE Cruiser are 1) Its fighters (obviously great against Voinians... I like having fighters) and 2) Lots of weapons space. What I like especially about having fighters is that you can release all, then suddenly send them flying after an enemy ship. Bada bing bada boom, before ya know it, the enemy is dead.... and you didn't even have to get a scratch.

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I highly disagree. The Voinian Cruiser can carry more turrets, and has more armor than the UE Cruisers shields and armor combined. Although it ain't very maneuverable, I can take out Igazras with this thing! I also don't understand why so many people say the Igazra is the best ship. I can't carry as many turrets as the Voinian cruiser, and I don't like the Igadzra anyway.

I highly dislike UE Cruisers. Mainly because they can't carry as many neutron turrets, and because they don't look very cool.

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My opinion is that it is very impossible for you to have a V. Cruiser equipped with Bronev while also working for the Zachit.

My favorite warship is the Igazra.... for me, it's the fastest ship for the most amount of shielding. I never got into the UE Cruiser.... maybe because it shows up so late in the game, I dunno... the Igazra is easy to come by (capturing because of small crew).... and it's got a cool shape, I might add. With speed upgrades, it's faster than a normal CW, and it's got good manueverability (sp?)... the only drawback is that small crew.

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Originally posted by Flatulence:
**My opinion is that it is very impossible for you to have a V. Cruiser equipped with Bronev while also working for the Zachit.
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Well, actually, I DO have a Voinian Cruiser with Bronov Plating and I'm working for the Zachit!!

Thought it was impossible huh?

P.S. I also have 4 shield capacitors, a layer of dospect armor, a RCS upgrade, a Thrust Upgrade, and an Engine upgrade on my Voinian cruiser. So far I've captured 3 CWs and I'm going for a 4th! And then I'll move on to capturing Igazras!

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(This message has been edited by Captain Carnotaur (edited 12-09-2000).)

Every ship has it strong and weak points. My preference lies in the situation...

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No, you can't have bronev and work for the Zachit without cheating. You can only get bronev if you work for the voinians....

The only possible way you could have done this is to work for the voinians, buy the cruiser and the bronev, then get the Fake ID, and restart with the UE missions.... however, this doesn't always work, and it takes a lot of time. So, chances are, you're using a plug.

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Incorrect again Flatty.

Here is what I did:

1. Got myself in a CW.
2. Dominated a few planets.
3. Did a few UE missions (including the one to get a cloaking device).
4. Destroyed a bunch of UE ships.
5. Did the "Aid the Voinians!" missions.
6. Did a bunch of other missions against the Emalgha.
7. Was allowed to buy a Voinian cruiser.
8. Bought a Voinian cruiser.
9. Got Bronov plating, dospect armor, neutron turrets, shield upgrades, and maneuverability upgrades.
10. Did Zachit missions!

As you can see Flatty, I am right.

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You can't get the "aid the voinians" mission if you've done the UE cloaking mission....

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Ohhhhhh....No wonder I couldn't get that mission until I used that special plug-in I made.

Okay! Okay! Okay! OKAY!! I admit it! I cheated a bit! But that was ONLY ONCE and I usually HATE cheating!!

Guess you're right...

P.S. But I could have just done the Voinian missions THEN do the UE missions! I still think I'm right!

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(This message has been edited by Captain Carnotaur (edited 12-09-2000).)

This is to Flatulence. You can work for the Voinians first then work for the U.E. . Regardless, working for the Voinians does not affect which strand you can work for or whether you can work for the zachit. My personal pilot has worked for the Voinians, U.E., Zidagar and the Igadzra. I fly a U.E. Cruiser with bronev, dospect, zid. emc and a plasma siphon. You can't start and finish the zidagar missions in a U.E. Cruiser so you can't keep the systems upgrade. But you could in a Igazra. I choose the Zidagar and the Igadzra to work for because their upgrades are awsome for big ships. Plus I choose the U.E. Cruiser because in either the Igazra or the V. Crusier I might get shot at by races I am allied with and that is a pain in the rear in slow ships. Also you have got to do almost all of the Zidagar missions before you do the dreadnaught mission if you want to keep the cloak. There is a timed mission late in that string that you can't do in a 3 day jump ship. If you want to do a similar pilot to mine the pick up the recruitment mission on kitrak. Go to Pozdag 3 and pick up the recruitment mission there. Finish that recruitment mission, land and the finish the kitrak recruitment mission. You can do this in a 2 day jump ship like a cresent warship for instance. My pilot is from EVO 1.0.1.. If you want to complete 2 strand central objectives be very careful about what planets you destroy. On my pilot back home I almost did that last part right but accidentally messed up. I'll redo it when I go home though.

Here's good one: Do you mean which ship is more powerful as an AI or as the player? If you're talking player than it's a toss-up and varies by person and what outfits and weapons they like (duh).

As for AI, through testing of my own through mini-plugs (In early 99 I got bored and started wondering which ships would actually beat other ships, so I made a plug with a few systems and ships that would appear in each. These were the most frequent outcomes as I remember them.)

Voinian Cruiser beats Igazra.
Voinian Cruiser beats Crescent Warship.
Voinian Cruiser beats Adzgari Warship.
Voinian Cruiser and UE Cruiser are pretty even, but I think the Voinian Cruiser might have a slight edge.
UE Cruiser beats Igazra.
UE Cruiser beats Adzgari Warship.
UE Cruiser beats Crescent Warship.
Igazra beats Adzgari Warship.
Igazra beats Crescent Warship.
Adzgari Warship beats Crescent Warship.

Obviously, the Voinian Cruiser did quite well against most of these ships due to it's large amount of armor, which phase weapons suck against. The Igazra did pretty good because of it's five turrets and large amount of shielding, but once it worked away the shields on the UE Cruiser or Voinian Cruiser it hit a wall and got it's butt whooped.

Other things found were that the UE Destroyer beat the Voinian Frigate (duh, see that all the time), the Zachit Aradas beat all other Arada classes out, and that sometimes Voinian Heavy Fighters and Interceptors would actually best Crescent Fighters in areas with asteroids in them.

I should probably retest all this, it was of course done before 1.0.2, so the Zidara and the Zidagar Fighters didn't do so well.

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Jubee, as I said before, I know that you can. Read what I wrote above. I said it was unlikely that this is what Carn did....

And sadly.... I was right, despite Carn's claims of "Flatty, you're wrong"....

shows you what a little patience will do for you, kids......

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Are you questioning his order of events Flatulence? If so you are correct. Maybe he is just leaving out pertenent information (Capt. Carnotaur). But I do have a question. Are you saying that once you work for the Voinians you can not work for the Zachit? This question is only for Flatulence. Also could you clarify exactly what you meant in your last post if I still am not on the same page of discussion with you. Thanks.

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Well, they all appeal to different people.
()The UE Cruiser is probably the most powerful warship you listed, but it's not exceptionally fast. It would probably defeat any of the others, though.
()The Voinian Cruiser, like you said, is invincible in the Crescent, but the UE Cruiser is better. This thing is too expensive, a bit slower, and lacks a lot of the raw power.
()The Igazra is pretty powerful, pretty fast, and has the best shields in the game--but either of the two ships above can take it out. Frankly, I don't understand why this is often the Holy Grail of players.
()The Crescent Warship is my ship. It's faster, but a lot weaker in other ways. It is the worst of all these ships, but I like it. Can't really tell you why.
(*)The Azdgari Warship is the second-weakest in your list, after the Crescent Warship. It's also the fastest, but its weapons aren't really that great, and its shields are inferior to those of an Igazra.

So overall it's pretty much a tossup. The best in the list, though, to get to the real point, is the UE Cruiser.
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Wow, I dont agree with anything you said, except for the CW being weak. How could you possible say the UE Crusier is better than the V. Crusier in the cresent.

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also what combat rating did you use when you checked these out. It matters alot, thats when the faster ships and ships with fighters bays gain a bit of an edge. the game speed and amount of asteroids would have a big effect. Long range seeking weapons would be rendered useless of be devestating depending on those factors. Additionaly, as you said phase turrets suck against armor. So if you fitted a cresent ship with neutron turrets they'd obviously do better.

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Originally posted by Flatulence:
**Jubee, as I said before, I know that you can. Read what I wrote above. I said it was unlikely that this is what Carn did....

And sadly.... I was right, despite Carn's claims of "Flatty, you're wrong"....

shows you what a little patience will do for you, kids......
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Incorrect again! I don't believe it!

As was said by Jubee on diff com:

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This is to Flatulence. You can work for the Voinians first then work for the U.E. . Regardless, working for the Voinians does not affect which strand you can work for or whether you can work for the zachit.

As you see, I only did it one way, and I only cheated a bit ONCE, and that was to get the first Voinian missions. As you see, getting Voinian missions and then doing the Zachit missions is do able. However, the way I did it, I did the UE missions first and then the Voinian missions. So ha!

And as for which warship is best, the Voinian cruiser really rocks when you sell the turret rockets and their launchers and then buy as many neutron turrets as you can. Then the V. Cruiser really whoops just about any other ship! And that includes the UE Cruiser!

In my opinion, the two best warships are the Igazra (which if you just outfit it with neutron turrets can really beat up the UE and Emalgha!) and the Voinian Cruiser (which rocks in the Crescent).

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Reguardless, you cheated. So don't come with your little technical bull****.... you used a plug, you suck. Plain and simple.

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