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Originally posted by shayborg:
**You know that the paper is owned by the Voinian Empire? It's propaganda, every bit of it. And badly written to boot.;)

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so i suppose that the UE information is correct? Its all propogada believe half of what you hear and half of what you see. There is no right or wrong information, its only what you believe. And while it is only in ROTV where the emalgha get their asses kicked. It is said throughout the game that the voinians could kick their ass if they didn't spend such time and money against the UE. After all, they couldn't advance into our territory (could they? )
Also, people, you can hardly use plugins as a guideline for which race is better. I could create a plug where the UE commit suidcide after sending nukes to the miranu. Who's better now?

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Originally posted by Titan:
**Face it, the Voinians are evil creatures who wan't to take over the galaxy!
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That's how I see the Voinians as well. Besides, they probably hate all the other alien races in the galaxy (that they know of). They won't trade with the Miranu, however the UE will, and even if you side with the Voinians, you are under the impression that they still hate you, purely because you are a human. (OK. This might be because the UE is at war with them, but I'm sure they would treat other races the same way.) I think that the UE is better.

One last thing: aren't the Vionians just Voinians in disguise?

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I think I read in one of the mission things or something that the Miranu are Xenophobic twords the Voinians.

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Originally posted by Lonevoinian:
**I think I read in one of the mission things or something that the Miranu are Xenophobic twords the Voinians.
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It's false! Miranu tried to trade peacefully with Vonians but Voinians refused, not the Miranu! I'm sure you've read it from The Borgburgy Daily Times.

To compare what is comparable, we can compare Iri and Huron. Both searched their independance but only one has had it Voinians ar murderers.

First of all, the voinians are out for conquest. However, are the Greeks considered evil? What about the French? Or the Persians? The Romans? These are all civilizations that at one time were on great conquests of the world. They all had under their control much of the known world at one time or another. Yet, they are not considered evil or terrible. They are just like the voinians and the UE are comparable to any of the empires that were crushed mercilessly under the rolling behemoth of the war machine....erhem. Either way the voinians are no worse than many figures of history

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Originally posted by Ubermann:
**First of all, the voinians are out for conquest. However, are the Greeks considered evil? What about the French? Or the Persians? The Romans? These are all civilizations that at one time were on great conquests of the world. They all had under their control much of the known world at one time or another. Yet, they are not considered evil or terrible. They are just like the voinians and the UE are comparable to any of the empires that were crushed mercilessly under the rolling behemoth of the war machine....erhem. Either way the voinians are no worse than many figures of history

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How many figures of history killed off all life on a planet to serve as an example to others? People like Hitler might have, if they could have, but they're hardly indicative of all famous/powerful rulers.

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actually, shadyborg, many of the most powerful civilizations of the world used genocide to maintain order in their empire. the romans would often wipe out a people if they refused to comply and become roman... i also agree with widowmaker, you shouldn't use plugs for the basis of your arguments, it just depends on the plug. also, any events that unfold in the favor of either government in the ev universe is purely a result of your actions. you really have to consider the situation at the beginning of the game.

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Originally posted by Ubermann:
**First of all, the voinians are out for conquest. However, are the Greeks considered evil? What about the French? Or the Persians? The Romans? These are all civilizations that at one time were on great conquests of the world. They all had under their control much of the known world at one time or another. Yet, they are not considered evil or terrible. They are just like the voinians and the UE are comparable to any of the empires that were crushed mercilessly under the rolling behemoth of the war machine....erhem. Either way the voinians are no worse than many figures of history
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Good point. But I find it interesting you left out the good ol US of A. From 13 original colonies to 50. We were never expansionists :rolleyes: . Granted we've gotten better but you were the one talking about history, not to mention we still have military bases throughout the world that could kick many countries asses should we need to or develop the thirst for blood again.

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(This message has been edited by widowmaker (edited 12-21-2000).)

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Originally posted by Ubermann:
**First of all, the voinians are out for conquest. However, are the Greeks considered evil? What about the French? Or the Persians? The Romans? These are all civilizations that at one time were on great conquests of the world. They all had under their control much of the known world at one time or another. Yet, they are not considered evil or terrible. They are just like the voinians and the UE are comparable to any of the empires that were crushed mercilessly under the rolling behemoth of the war machine....erhem. Either way the voinians are no worse than many figures of history
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You have a point there, but genocide is evil, and since the Voinians use it, they are evil.

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(This message has been edited by Titan (edited 12-21-2000).)

I feel that if any of the powerful countries today felt there was a threat to their power and genocide could help it they would. After all, when America was founded, we declared war war on the Native Americans for no reason other than they had land. People just dont call it genocide because we didn't have that manpower or equipment to make it devestating. An while I cant back this, I really dont see a settler taking a Native American captive. Not to mention the crusades. Just throwing a few examples out their to rattle your perceptions of good world. No I dont think UE would create a genocide but as i said before, they wouldn't do anything wrong which makes then completly unbelievable.

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(QUOTE)Originally posted by ~Patton
Best Ships
Emalgha, they look the best. I am one the UE side for htis one but really Patton. Best ships are the Emalgha. Unhu so long as you do not bump into them. Sorry no hard feelings. I must say for the ships that it is matched all of the way up until the crusers. Unforthontly the UE cruser is not as good as the dreadknot.

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Originally posted by Gordatron:
the UE cruser is not as good as the dreadknot.

And it's not as good as the Dread ** naught** either.

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(This message has been edited by Lonevoinian (edited 12-24-2000).)

If you want to talk about the attitude between warship commanders, may I interject this one little thing about those mad-dog UE destroyer skippers? They are a bunch of jerks. Hands down. Try to do a little bounty hunting with your ship, and just as you're about to knock out a Turncoat, some punk in an UE uniform jumps into the system and starts lobbing homers at it, even after you disable it for capture!

Then there's the double standard: in the heat of battle, they'll spray you with gunfire in an attempt to kill their real target, and if you happen to be in the way of an UE Destroyer and whomever they want dead, that's no deterrence from them lobbing a rocket in a stupid attempt to shoot through you! But if YOU happen to acciendentally sprinkle one burst of gunfire on their hull, all of a sudden they will see no other end than to have your head decorating the skipper's wardroom. I have seen destroyers abandon a far more important mission (ie: killing a rather huge Voinian Dreadnought that threatens all humanity!) and chase me around the whole system in some myopic and criminally negligent vendetta...

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Originally posted by Rhydderch:
**If you want to talk about the attitude between warship commanders, may I interject this one little thing about those mad-dog UE destroyer skippers? They are a bunch of jerks. Hands down. Try to do a little bounty hunting with your ship, and just as you're about to knock out a Turncoat, some punk in an UE uniform jumps into the system and starts lobbing homers at it, even after you disable it for capture!

Then there's the double standard: in the heat of battle, they'll spray you with gunfire in an attempt to kill their real target, and if you happen to be in the way of an UE Destroyer and whomever they want dead, that's no deterrence from them lobbing a rocket in a stupid attempt to shoot through you! But if YOU happen to acciendentally sprinkle one burst of gunfire on their hull, all of a sudden they will see no other end than to have your head decorating the skipper's wardroom. I have seen destroyers abandon a far more important mission (ie: killing a rather huge Voinian Dreadnought that threatens all humanity!) and chase me around the whole system in some myopic and criminally negligent vendetta...
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If you want to avoid accidentally shooting UE ships during an important mission, download the EVO Govt Fixer from the Addons page. Then, put the UE plugin in the EV Plug-ins folder. When you play EVO after that, your shots will just go straight through UE craft without any effects!!

By the way, some people on the board have mentioned that possiblity of the UE enslaving primitive races. Well, I say the UE would definitively NOT

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Originally posted by Rama:
**Personally I think the Renegades are the best.

Planets: they own very few planets but they are so rich that they can fund a huge fleet to push back the U.E.

Weapons: it depends what they are used for. The renegades have the needle missile which is fast and good for disabling traders. They also have the blaze weapons from the UE which I don't like.

Ships: The turncoat is a pretty good ship when used in numbers. It is fast and highly upgradable. The helian is a good ship because it can be used as many different kinds of things including fighting and trading. The worst ship in the game is the krait. They are basically pieces of garabage that you throw at the enemy to distract them. The krait bay weakens the turncoat by taking up mass.

Cause: The renegade cause is clearly the best. They broke away from the UE because the UE was boring. The renegades wanted adventure and if you don't call blockade running, false oaths, and lawless chaos an adventure I don't know what is.

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The Renegades have the best cause? LOL!!! Come on!!! An adventure, yes, but to say the Renegades have the best cause means that killing innocent people, stealing stuff that isn't yours and betraying everyone you don't like, and all for your own personal enrichment is more moral than liberating slaves and fighting for freedom! :rolleyes: Oh yes, anybody can get a needle missile launcher- Just go down to Iothe Prime. You want to push back the UE? Why? Who would want to live on a Renegade world? Ever read about the tyrannical soul in Plato's Republic? Now imagine a planet full of them. You've got a Renegade planet.

Besides, this topic was UE vs. Voinians, was it not?

God bless,

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Best Race? UE

Weapons? Tie up because the blaze cannon and neutron cannon both have their pro/cons. Such as long range vs. slow firing and inarcuracy vs. fast rate of fire.

Planets? Who wants you know? But I haven't visited the Vionian's planets, but the few I've vistied (Krotun, Vionia etc.) and they seem terrible. UE.

Ships? UE wins. Just look at the matchups. UE Fighter vs. V. Fighter / V. Interceptor,
UE Destoryer vs. V. Frigate, UE Crusier / UE Carrier vs. V. Crusier? Who wins? UE!

Cause? Taking over planets vs. liberating planets? Hmmmmmm UE (duh) :rolleyes:!

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(This message has been edited by DeadMan (edited 01-01-2001).)

Well, Duh.
The UE are obviously superior to the Voinians, despite the fact that the UE are so technologically inferior to the strand races. UE ships can easily penetrate deep into Voinian territory, but you never see Voinian ships in UE space proper. The UE are on good terms with the Miranu- who could, incidentally, crush the Voinians even though they are so peaceful. Plus, the UE is also allied with the Emalgha and Hinwar, and although these races are weak, with UE aid the grow stronger...and stronger...

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Originally posted by Entropy:
UE ships can easily penetrate deep into Voinian territory, but you never see Voinian ships in UE space proper.

When do you EVER see UE ships in Voinian space? Oh, BTW, have you ever done the "Rescue the Defector" missions? There is a large Voinian fleet in Chorca, 2 jumps away from Sol. And ever visit Eltor? Most of the time there is a Voinian ship there, 1 jump away from Sol. The closest you EVER see a UE ship to Voina is at one of the outposts, or at Gamur after the central objective is done.

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The UE are on good terms with the Miranu-

I'll give you that one.

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-who could, incidentally, crush the Voinians

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Voinian frigates are pathetic. I mean all they are is armour (which you can destroy easily with those Emalgia weapons, I forget what they are) and you can run rings round them to dodge the turreted missiles. Are you sure you were'nt confusing them with V. Cruisers?
Also, The Miranu won't attack the Voinians, they're peaceful

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Planets-
Neither. They both have bad planets. The only good ones are in the crescent.

weapons-
Voinians for primary, neutrons have high damage rating. but they are slow.
UE has better secondary with hunters, but their blaze cannons are low damage. also fast, though. I guess UE wins.

ships-
Voinians, by far!
voinian frigate=UE destroyer, they kill each other about evenly (depending on starting range-how many hunters are launched)
Voinian cruiser is better than UE carrier and UE Cruiser. It can have six turrets and fighters.
Voinians have heavy fighter and interceptor, UE only has one fighter. Even though the UE fighter can outrun any voinian ship easily, it usually fights and loses.
dont forget dreadnought, even if it is only in a mission, it is still amazing.

cause-
I don't know...

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