I'm not leaving; that's not what I'm referring to (If I'm a legend ;)). But I'll hardly be here. However, it's bothering me that Ares is dying. I think we can all see that it is...

The question is, what can we do?

Hera is a flexible tool, but it's extremely complicated and has undoubtedly turned away many that would otherwise have contributed much to the community. I'm afraid the answer no longer lies there.

Where does it lie then?

I've informally volunteered to try and replace Hera, but that's a monumental task I'm afraid I won't be up to (at least not without the code structures already in Hera). AE has fallen apart because of a member exodus. M:Inv remains only in name; none of us have time. StarLance has switched to EV... the list goes on, and what can we do?

I'm afraid I don't have an answer. Do you?

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Look pretty hopeless since slug is going to be moving on to coldstone.
I'd make great plug-ins if i had lightwave...
I'd be willing to help you work on that replacement for hera but then i don't know very much about hard programing.

Anything, anything, i do to revive the ares spirite?

None, I'm afraid.

I was there in the beginning, looks like I'll probably be there at the end, too. Sigh

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Bah. If hera wasn't so bloody buggy...I might manage to work up enough enthusiasm to DO something. :frown:

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Hmm...lets see...what to do when you're outgunned, outnumbered and outpositioned...it says here: Don't have a battle.

• Tacticus , Jingo

Well I think us who are left should ask for permission for a hera replacement. An Ares II wouldn't hurt either...

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Yeah, I'm going to go with it's Ares II or nothing.

Shame, really. People used to have some pretty neat plans for Hera.

I'm still here. So is It's War.
And I have a cunning plan for a new scenario too...

Who is left in Ares ll?

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Oh, so it is another bug hunt then...

Oh, and by the way, I have just posted a help file called "template.sit" which is a scenarioless file containing all of the objects in Ares plus those excellent ships from the Obish vs elejeetian plug. I used it for my plug "Its War". It should give prospective plug creators a stable start.
I guess it should appear in a week or so.

On the subject of Ares II, who is in command of that now? Is it worth reviving, or is it worth starting a new project (could be called Ares III...)? I left it very early on as it was going in a direction I was not interested in. I remain interested in the concept though.
Is anyone interested enough to put the time into it?
The future of Ares is in its players. (or probably in the development of a (the dreaded word) PC version!).
A consortium of players producing a series of good quality playable plugs is what is needed. And that chiefly means a good storyline with new ideas. Otherwise its just more of the same. It also means new weapons that work, and new ship classes. It does not necessarily mean new ship sprites, which can be very difficult and time consuming to do well, and not worth doing poorly. It also does not necessarily mean sticking to the Ares universe.
Suggestions?
That's me done for today, I'm off to the Bar now...

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Oh, so it is another bug hunt then...

ares is pretty much, dead and nothings going to change that...

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Newbie bashing = Tactical destruction of possible future threats = NATO
So why cant i do it?

Dead is a relative term...

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Oh, so it is another bug hunt then...

how so?

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Relative as in there are other points of view to see it from other than alive?

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Sundered Angel ,
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What we need is to recruit some more programmers from the other boards, then get the permission from NL and ASW to program Ares II/Hera II. I can't help with the coding, but I could probably do some storywise work if we need it. Pallas seems to know a lot about coding, any others here willing to help?

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Hmm...lets see...what to do when you're outgunned, outnumbered and outpositioned...it says here: Don't have a battle.

• Tacticus , Jingo

I don't care if Ares "dies," Maelstrom's been "dead" for about 10 years now and it's still my favorite game. Anyway, if all you people like Ares it's not dead yet, is it? Anyway I'm a so-called newbie and I'm already making a plug. So there.

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A couple points:

•Ares itself isn't dead-just the webboards, which seem to be picking up now too. There are still plenty of Ares games on GR-although they're not as numerous as they used to be.

•While Hera certainly isn't finished, I don't really have a lot of problems with it.

•There may be plugins in development that we don't know about-witness the B5 plug that came out of nowhere. Or perhaps I should say that you don't know about

•Ares II(a?) was under development a year or so ago-perhaps Lamont scrapped it and that's why it was never officially announced?

•Perhaps we should try to convince Andrew to add an Image Gallery to the Ares boards-it might help increase traffic and it would be nice to have a place to post screens of new plugs etc.

•Use the Newswire and comment on topics.

•some one needs to write Chronicles-we need something to talk about.

•Play Ares on GR and (url="http://"http://www.magleague.com")www.magleague.com(/url) if you're worried about Ares dying.

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Originally posted by Pallas Athene:
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I've informally volunteered to try and replace Hera, but that's a monumental task I'm afraid I won't be up to (at least not without the code structures already in Hera).

**

If you know C/C++, perhaps you could convince NL to let you use the Hera source since he has apparently abandoned it.

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Originally posted by Patrick:
Originally posted by Pallas Athene:
I've informally volunteered to try and replace Hera, but that's a monumental task I'm afraid I won't be up to (at least not without the code structures already in Hera).

If you know C/C++, perhaps you could convince NL to let you use the Hera source since he has apparently abandoned it.

You'll probably want to know more than just C++ if you want to start playing around with coding.

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(This message has been edited by Avatara (edited 11-01-2001).)

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•Perhaps we should try to convince Andrew to add an Image Gallery to the Ares boards-it might help increase traffic and it would be nice to have a place to post screens of new plugs etc.

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I've asked about that several times. The answer is no.

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Originally posted by Patrick:
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•Perhaps we should try to convince Andrew to add an Image Gallery to the Ares boards-it might help increase traffic and it would be nice to have a place to post screens of new plugs etc.
**

I brought that up months back at the EV Image Gallery. I remember many of the members explaining that an Ares Image Gallery wouldn't be necessary unless it came under high demand. At the moment, few people design Ares-related graphics, but I'll change that myself if I have to.

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Originally posted by Pallas Athene:
**I'm not leaving; that's not what I'm referring to (If I'm a legend;) ). But I'll hardly be here. However, it's bothering me that Ares is dying. I think we can all see that it is...

The question is, what can we do?

Hera is a flexible tool, but it's extremely complicated and has undoubtedly turned away many that would otherwise have contributed much to the community. I'm afraid the answer no longer lies there.

Where does it lie then?

I've informally volunteered to try and replace Hera, but that's a monumental task I'm afraid I won't be up to (at least not without the code structures already in Hera). AE has fallen apart because of a member exodus. M:Inv remains only in name; none of us have time. StarLance has switched to EV... the list goes on, and what can we do?

I'm afraid I don't have an answer. Do you?

**

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