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Originally posted by Captain Carnotaur:
**1) CWs have no dispersal rockets
2) How is that disagreeing with me?
3) One or two heavy rockets, and a CF is toast
4) Don't forget that Torpedoes (which go straight for the enemy as long as your pointing at him) generally hit a lot more than SADs (which spin off in every concievable direction and THEN head towards the target).
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You're right about the dispersal rockets - I must have got an encounter with a përs stuck in my head. Silly me, I distinctly remember saying "Laziras are harder to beat than Crescent warships, because they have dispys". I meant it was disagreeing with you as my opinion changed the moment you posted.

Yes, two heavy rockets could wipe out a Crescent fighter. That just about means that Lightnings don't have enough heavy rockets to clear the C. warship's escorts, eh? (4 rockets, need 6). And anyway, I'm for the Lightnings. I'm just not sure about the Kestrel against the Crescent warship, fighters off. The Crescent warship is an ugly bastard, and I think ugliness adds 800 shields in EV/O. : )

Interesting fact for you. The Kestrel has 1 torpedo launcher and 4 torpedoes. The Crescent warship has 2 (not certain) SAD launchers, and 15 SAD modules. They'll be some change for the lack of missiles if ship size makes the difference, but...problem. I don't think EV:O does the same sort of thing - notice how EV:O supports less secondary weapons in general?

Two protons vs. three phase. Protons are stronger, I think phase are faster.

Hmm...I have an EV match for you. Lightning against the Azdara.

...boom! Take that, Azdgari scum!

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Originally posted by SilverDragon:
Yes, two heavy rockets could wipe out a Crescent fighter. That just about means that Lightnings don't have enough heavy rockets to clear the C. warship's escorts, eh? (4 rockets, need 6). And anyway, I'm for the Lightnings. I'm just not sure about the Kestrel against the Crescent warship, fighters off. The Crescent warship is an ugly bastard, and I think ugliness adds 800 shields in EV/O. : )

Hmmmmmm.... Somehow I remember the Lightnings having more than just 2 heavy rockets...

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Originally posted by SilverDragon:
**nteresting fact for you. The Kestrel has 1 torpedo launcher and 4 torpedoes. The Crescent warship has 2 (not certain) SAD launchers, and 15 SAD modules. They'll be some change for the lack of missiles if ship size makes the difference, but...problem. I don't think EV:O does the same sort of thing - notice how EV:O supports less secondary weapons in general?
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Ah yes, I forgot that little problem with the Kestrel's ammo count. I keep on thinking about the Rebel Destroyer.

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About the primary, the phase have a much longer range than the proton bolt canons. With the speed upgrade Kestrel when moving at max speed, the range was even shorter, for hit and runs end up being less effective, if the pilot is using the superior maneuvrability of the Kestrel. But I do not remember about the standard Kestrel.

I'll change my mind, the combat will be very close:
both are disabled at the end!

I.

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It appears Redchigh was only playing around when he spoke of actually testing it...okay then, I suppose I'll do it.

Expect results by Friday unless anything comes up.

Esponer

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Going against the mainstream:

The Crescent Warship will blow the Kestrel apart and still have breathing room to spare.

You guys put too much faith in the Lightnings. Good fighters they are, but will eventually fall to the CW's phase turrets if nothing else. And whatever damage they do, the CW will still have equal or greater shielding than the Kestrel will. And call me crazy, but the Crescent fighters will manage to hurt the Kestrel a bit because of their speed and regeneration, and the fact that proton fire isn't as efficient as phase is (IMHO). Remember, this is AI vs. AI; the carried fighters will go after the enemy mother ships, not each other.

Also, SAD's are better than torpedoes (2 projectiles per shot vs. 1 per shot). It isn't fair to say they won't make accurate because of how they spin around all the time, since that is a bug in Override and not how its supposed to be. To be completely fair and objective, the test should be done in EV.

And of course, the CW has more shielding. In a slugfest one-on-one, I think it comes out on top.

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(This message has been edited by UE Crusader (edited 03-06-2002).)

the kestrel looks about 10 million times cooler than the CW (as a matter of fact i replaced my cw's graphics with those of the kestrel). Personally i think all the evo graphics suck in comparison to ev. they dont convey any sense of a z axes and their coloring just sucks...(for the most part)

i think if kestrels ever actually showed up in the real EVO universe, the other ships (including cws) would just self destruct out of shame at looking so stupid.

The Kestrel would slaughter a Crescent Warship anyday. If you know how to use them.

-thrawn

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Well the graphic issue is clear for me: the Kestrel has much more style. The AW is the best of the CW, with the green.

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Originally posted by KlngArthur:
**the kestrel looks about 10 million times cooler than the CW (as a matter of fact i replaced my cw's graphics with those of the kestrel). Personally i think all the evo graphics suck in comparison to ev. they dont convey any sense of a z axes and their coloring just sucks...(for the most part)

i think if kestrels ever actually showed up in the real EVO universe, the other ships (including cws) would just self destruct out of shame at looking so stupid.**

i agree, the Kestral looks better and those lightnings have a sweet arsenal.

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Originally posted by SpaceMonkey:
I have been playing both EV and EVO recently and I have got to the point where I have a Crescent Warship and a Kestrel. Both look similar (kind of) and both cost about the same (9M - 10M). I was wondering who you think would win in a fight?

Depends entirely on the pilot. That being equal, I'd say the Kestrel, as Escape Velocity ships and weapons generally outrank their EV Override counterparts, although I haven't actually ever gotten around to doing Kestrel vs. Crescent Warship tests.

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Results (from 8 battles)
5 Kestrel wins
1 Crescent Warship win
2 draws (in both cases, one or two Lightnings remained)

In other words, the Crescent Warship got the better of the Kestrel once. Crescent fighters did almost nothing, and Lightnings had them for dinner.

Thank to Carnotaur for making the test when my editor belched.

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(This message has been edited by SilverDragon (edited 03-08-2002).)

Here are the exact stats that I took down which have a little more detail, just for those of you who are into details and the like.

TEST RESULTS

Battle 1 - Kestrel Wins - One Lightning Killed - Kestrel has 15% shields remaining

Battle 2 - Kestrel Wins - One Lightning Killed - Kestrel has 20% shields remaining

Battle 3 - Kestrel Wins - No Lightnings Killed - Kestrel has 15% shields remaining

Battle 4 - Kestrel Looses - Lightings Destroyed - All CFs destroyed - CW has 10% shields remaining

Battle 5 - BOTH sides destroyed, except for two Lightnings, both at 100% shields (CFs immediately went boom upon contact with heavy rocket)

Battle 6 - Kestrel Wins - Both Lightnings Killed - Kestrel has 30% shields remaining

Battle 7 - Kestrel Wins - One Lightning Killed - Kestrel has 35% shields remaining

Battle 8 - BOTH sides destroyed, except for one lightning, who kills off the CW (all CFs killed)

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It is nice to have indelebile facts!
What the behavior of the two ships respectful of their nature?

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Originally posted by Ne Demord Jamais:
**It is nice to have indelebile facts!
What the behavior of the two ships respectful of their nature.
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Well, one thing I noticed was that Lightnings helped a great deal, and that the Kestrel was really able to hammer the CW with its torpedoes and missiles. The lightnings would move off, then charge in firing away all their missiles, then shooting off a heavy rocket, which would do quite a bit of damage to the CW. The only time the Kestrel was in trouble when it stayed too close to the CW for too long and got hit a lot by its phase weapons. CFs did almost nothing, and Protons and a missile quickly took care of them.

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How did you get them to fight eachother? If you used a plug-in, can I have a link please? I would love to see them go head-to-head!

Cheers

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Yes i would like to see the fight for myself.
(Formerly GooSe GuY)

kesral but with not mANY SHIELDS/ARMOUR WOULD WIN