The Voinian Dreadnought is only slightly weaker than the UE Cruiser, however when playing for the Voinian Side, cruisers appear in the game. Why dont Dreadnoughts appear when playing for the UE, other than the one?
(I know a bunch of plugs make them appear, no advertisements, please)
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Because the destruction of the dreadnaught is an integral part of the UE story line. It doesn't make much sense to destroy the only working prototype and then have it flying all over the galaxy.
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Originally posted by -REDCHIGH-:
**The Voinian Dreadnought is only slightly weaker than the UE Cruiser, however when playing for the Voinian Side, cruisers appear in the game. Why dont Dreadnoughts appear when playing for the UE, other than the one?
(I know a bunch of plugs make them appear, no advertisements, please)
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Also, if we think about the two governments, would the war-torn Voinian army have the resources to build and maintain a fleet of thete gigantic ships? The UE could, because they have more resources. It is only logical.
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I wouldn't have thought that the Voinian Dreadnought is "slightly weaker than the UE Cruiser". Killing off the 'naught for the first time is one of the accomplishments a player never forgets... yet toasing UE Cruisers is easy. Maybe it's an AI thing. Or does the 'Plug-We-Shall-not-Name' actually make use of downgraded 'naughts?
Mystified. Shoot up a UEC, though... I think you'll see what I mean.
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Originally posted by Temporal:
**Also, if we think about the two governments, would the war-torn Voinian army have the resources to build and maintain a fleet of thete gigantic ships? The UE could, because they have more resources. It is only logical.
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your own argument is mine.
UE and Voinians are both fighting a two-front war. Both Voinians and UE have major disadvantages. The game admits that the Voinians have the upper hand in the war, because the Voinians have more offensives than UE could ever hope for. Doesn't that mean the Voinians have a greater supply for their war effort?
Yes, I know the Voinian Dreadnought it a major mission, but shouldn't it be just a Prototype UE cruiser as well? Also, the UE cruiser can be bought whereas the Voinian dreadnought cannot. Is it because Matt Burch didn't want it to be so incredibly easy to conquer all of the crescent? 
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Originally posted by -REDCHIGH-:
**Is it because Matt Burch didn't want it to be so incredibly easy to conquer all of the crescent?;)
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I am pretty sure that Matt Burch didn't write the storyline to EVO.
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Originally posted by Azdara Ace:
I am pretty sure that Matt Burch didn't write the storyline to EVO.
Correct. The EV Override scenario was developed by Peter Cartwright, with graphics by him and a few others. Matt Burch was only the engine developer, rather than the developer of the entire game as he was with Escape Velocity.
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The Voinian Dreadnought far outshines the UE Cruiser, and may I add, both ships are only seen (in regular EV:O) during special missions for the Voinians or United Earth, and in most cases, it's only one of each.
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Originally posted by SilverDragon:
**The Voinian Dreadnought far outshines the UE Cruiser, and may I add, both ships are only seen (in regular EV:O) during special missions for the Voinians or United Earth, and in most cases, it's only one of each.
Esponer
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Hate to tell you, the UE cruiser is stronger.
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Please explain that, RED. It takes me a while to kill a Dreadnought, whereas I can just wade in with a UE Cruiser and tear it apart with little problem.
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Originally posted by SilverDragon:
The Voinian Dreadnought far outshines the UE Cruiser, and may I add, both ships are only seen (in regular EV:O) during special missions for the Voinians or United Earth, and in most cases, it's only one of each.
In version 1.0.2, UE cruisers appear - or at least are supposed to appear, I can't check it at the moment - occasionally in UE fleets after they're invented.
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Originally posted by SilverDragon:
**The Voinian Dreadnought far outshines the UE Cruiser, and may I add, both ships are only seen (in regular EV:O) during special missions for the Voinians or United Earth, and in most cases, it's only one of each.
Esponer
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There's always the off chance during the Destroy Verrill Prime mission that you can get a fleet of the U.E Cruisers coming after you. Ahh, to be the lone intercepter
having to deal with them.....
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Originally posted by Payback37:
**Please explain that, RED. It takes me a while to kill a Dreadnought, whereas I can just wade in with a UE Cruiser and tear it apart with little problem.
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Exactly. You're a Person. Pilot a Dreadnought against UE cruisers, and you'd tear a Cruiser apart in seconds.
To settle this, shortly after this post, I will test the Dreadnought and Cruiser, one on one, and snap a few screen Snapz to show everybody. hows that?
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In 1.0.2 you certainly do see UEC's from time to time, once Balshova has been rescued. Of course, if you're a do-gooder who goes around rescuing UE personnel, you probably don't shoot at UE Cruisers very often.
They're nothing special, though. Not against a human player. 'Python the UE fighters, sit behind an asteroid until the UEC's missiles have run out, then fly in ovals around it, hammering it to scrap.
I can't seriously imagine that a single UEC could take a 'naught. Not without the 'Dread Not...' plug. I've fired over fifty rockets into dreadnoughts before now. (I liberate ammo from the Voinian's carried fighters.) Even if the UE fighters survived long enough to get off their whole ammo load before they died, the dreadnought would still be floating there, ready to lob neutrons at the UEC.
And let's not forget that the Voinian's own carried fleet (ten interceptors, if memory serves) would meanwhile be tearing at the UEC... Maybe I influence fights too much, but Dreadnaught vs. UEC seems pretty one-sided to me, in favour of the Big Grey Wedge .
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There's really no contest, the (url="http://"http://www.andrew.cmu.edu/~dsghosh/evosite/shipyard2.html#vdreadnaught")dreadnaught(/url) is a more powerful ship than the (url="http://"http://www.andrew.cmu.edu/~dsghosh/evosite/shipyard1.html#uecruiser")UE Cruiser(/url). Check the stats if you don't believe me. The dreadnought is slightly slower, but that problem is common to all (url="http://"http://www.andrew.cmu.edu/~dsghosh/evosite/shipyard2.html#voinian")Voinian ships(/url). The dreadnaught has about four times as much shielding and armor, and although it has two gun spaces to the Cruiser's three, it has eight turret slots while the Cruiser only has five. The dreadnaught has more weapon space, cargo space, and fuel, and much more crew. The Voinian ship also has the edge in armament -- 6 enhanced neutron turrets, 10 (url="http://"http://www.andrew.cmu.edu/~dsghosh/evosite/shipyard2.html#vinterceptor")carried interceptors(/url), and 3 rocket turrets with 120 rockets. By contrast, the Cruiser has only 4 blaze turrets, 3 rocket launchers, and 2 hunter missile launchers, with 15 projectiles each, as well as 5 (url="http://"http://www.andrew.cmu.edu/~dsghosh/evosite/shipyard1.html#uefighter")UE fighters(/url). The Cruiser is definitely formidable, but the dreadnought beats it pretty easily.
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Originally posted by VoinianAmbassador:
**I can't seriously imagine that a single UEC could take a 'naught. Not without the 'Dread Not...' plug. I've fired over fifty rockets into dreadnoughts before now. (I liberate ammo from the Voinian's carried fighters.) Even if the UE fighters survived long enough to get off their whole ammo load before they died, the dreadnought would still be floating there, ready to lob neutrons at the UEC.
And let's not forget that the Voinian's own carried fleet (ten interceptors, if memory serves) would meanwhile be tearing at the UEC... Maybe I influence fights too much, but Dreadnaught vs. UEC seems pretty one-sided to me, in favour of the Big Grey Wedge .
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Agreed. With both ships, their speed is not a particularly redeeming feature, so it really comes down to their defences and firepower. If I recall correctly, a UEC has 4 Blaze turrets, and the VD has 6 enhanced Neutron turrets, UEC's have 5 Fighters and the VD has 10 fighters that are half as good. UEC's have 2 Hunter Launchers and 3 Rocket Launchers while the VD has 3 Salvo Rocket Launchers. The UEC has twice the shields, but the VD has 15 times the armour.
While a UEC probably can win in a 1 on 1 fight if it's outfitted and piloted well enough, AI vs AI the UEC is fairly outclassed.
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I do not know what REDCHIGH is writing about. There is no contest between the ships. The only way a UE Cruiser beats a Dreadnought is if it has defense pods or neutron turrets imployed in the Monty P.. Maybe he means the Voinian Cruiser? Anyway I have seen UE Cruisers flying around without a mission. It was the U.E.S. Paaren. I am positive that it was not during the Verril Prime mission.
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Originally posted by ~REDCHIGH~:
Is it because Matt Burch didn't want it to be so incredibly easy to conquer all of the crescent?
You did mean Peter Cartwright, no?
Besides, did you just say "The UEC is better than the Dreadnought"? Please justify that. 
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Originally posted by Lord Asriel:
**You did mean Peter Cartwright, no?
Besides, did you just say "The UEC is better than the Dreadnought"? Please justify that.
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Ok, Ok, the Dreadnought is stronger than the UE cruiser, but with a single neutron turret and no secondaries, the Dreadnought could still annihalate the crescent and renegades.
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