Another good thing about EV is that it goes a lot quicker than EVO in terms of travelling accross the galaxy. In EVO, it takes tons of time just to go a relatively short distance across the galaxy.
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Definitely EVO over EV. I've smoked a lot more cigarettes and neglected much more practice time over EVO than EV.
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I think it´s depends of which you tried first. I started with evo, and later i played ev. I think evo is way cooler than ev. But i´m pretty sure if i started with ev i would´ve liked ev the best. Kinda like the alien movies. Nr 4 sucked giant time, but if it was the first you saw it then...
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I like EVO the best, especially because EVO has a much more complex outfitting:
Primary weapons:
-EV has laser and protons
-EVO has blaze, phase, neutrons and Emalgha cannons.
Guided weapons:
-EV has missiles, torpedoes
-EVO has Hunter missiles, pursuit missiles, SAD, SAE, Needle
Unguided weapons:
-EV has javelin, Heavy rockets, Space bomb
-EVO has Voinian rocket, Voinian space bomb, Disp. rockets, Defence pod
And EVO has much more non-weapons outfits.
Moreover, EVO has much more ships.
As a result, you can customise much more different ships of your own in EVO
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Hm. Perhaps the EV graphics are more realistic. But that's all that's better.
The argument that the EV universe is better because it's smaller is kindo' weird.
The larger a universe, the better, because it's more things to see and you never know what's in the next black unexplored system. In EVO that is. In EV you know that next system you're going into inly can be Rebel, Confed or, not very likely, Pirate. (Or uninhabited) Large universe = Good universe. Small universe = Bad universe.
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The larger a universe, the better, because it's more things to see and you never know what's in the next black unexplored system. In EVO that is. In EV you know that next system you're going into inly can be Rebel, Confed or, not very likely, Pirate. (Or uninhabited) Large universe = Good universe. Small universe = Bad universe.
This argument can be turned either way. I could just as easily say that a small universe is better because in Override, it take twice as long to get from place to place, and each system will be either a human system or a system belonging to aliens who act like humans in funny suits.
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I love both games but I've got to go on the facts here. I frittered away much more of my life on EVO than EV even omitting Crew of One time. They are both great but EVO is the one I turn to more often.
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I much prefer Escape Velocity...Doesn't have the best graphics and such, but the whole environment and story line really give the game plenty of excitement. I haven't touched Override in months...I've just been sticking to EV. 
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**Hm. Perhaps the EV graphics are more realistic. But that's all that's better.
The argument that the EV universe is better because it's smaller is kindo' weird.
The larger a universe, the better, because it's more things to see and you never know what's in the next black unexplored system. In EVO that is. In EV you know that next system you're going into inly can be Rebel, Confed or, not very likely, Pirate. (Or uninhabited) Large universe = Good universe. Small universe = Bad universe.
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Its really a question of whats in all those systs in the galaxy. The systs in the EVO galaxy are just points on hyperroutes that I have to spend 20 seconds passing through. Most of the planets in the EV galaxy are destinations-- they have outfits available nowhere else nearby, or they are a stop in a trade route, or they have a mission string.
As for the outfits in EVO, you cannot reload your Hunter or Needle missiles in Miranu/Cresent space, and you cannot reload your SAD or Pursuit missiles in UE/Voinian space. You have to trek across the galaxy to buy ammo. If you want to try out a different mix of weapons, you have to wander around looking for planets that will buy your current outfits, then travel with poor armament across the huge galaxy to a planet with the outfits you want. If you were not willing to strip your ship bare, then you might have to do the trip twice!
The EV universe is more convenient, you can get reloads at almost any planet, and within 4 or so jumps, you can reconfigure your ship completely.
For plugins, see Pale, Mugabi, Clavius, Empire, Galactic Scourge, EVGE...
For those who like big galaxies, EVGE is even bigger then EVO, but does not suffer (as much) from the outfitting problem.
As I voted on the other thread, EV is better.
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I don't know about better, but not being able to buy all the ammo and outfits everywhere is more realistic. I also like the way EVO looks with Magma installed. Hop skip and a jump over EV if you ask me, though I'm still partial to it. I wasted a lot of time playing it way back in high school.
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Evo has a bigger universe and thus more longevity. Also the ship design is much more interesting, as long as you have the magma graphics or whatever they're called.
The thing that EV has above EVO, as far as I can tell, is that EV has a better atmosphere. I wouldn't say it's more EV-ish (that's fairly obvious, since it is EV and EVO is not). It's just much more immersive. EVO feels like a big arcade game.
I'm not sure which I prefer. They're both great in their own right.
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EVO all the way. I started on EV, but I prefer the newer game's plot. Put me down of a vote (X) for Override.
EV 1.0.5:
-- Turreted weapons that seldom hit
++ Javelin missiles are better than needle missiles
++ Captain Hector doesn't make such a nuissance of himself (if unregistered)
-- Silly planet names and descriptions ripped off from science fiction
EVO 1.0.2:
-- The great 'guns take up turret slots' debate, introduced in 1.0.1
++ Unique, all-new culture for the game
++ More ships, more governments, more outfits, more stellars, more missions... etc.
++ Smoke trails
++ Three (count 'em, three) central objectives
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Personally, I adore both EV and EVO. They both have strong points, and areas where one is better than the other.
On EV's side, it is the definite classic. No EV, no EVO.
EV, for whatever reason, has a heck of a lot more quality plugs than EVO does. EVGE, Pale, Final Battle, Galatic Scourge, etc etc. In EVO's defense good plugs are way fewer in number, but the quality does make up for the lack of quantity (F-25, Frozen Heart/Femme Fatale). Unfortunately, I have a feeling that EVO will never equal EV in the number of great plugs made. EV's been around a lot longer, and with the release of Nova and its superb engine and the awesome R&R; editors that will make plug-making a breeze from what I've heard, only a fool wouldn't want to make his dream plug with that. The one possibility I see is that if EVO is ported/enhanced to work with Nova, additions to the galaxy could be done that way. However, again, with Nova's universe there's probably next to nobody who would want to do a huge project in EVO's "old" galaxy when there's Nova to play around with (I could very well be wrong, however). That being said though, expanding EVO's plotlines massively under Nova's epic engine has the potential to be EXTREMELY cool in its own right. If done well, such a thing could be legendary and truly great. If no one else does it, perhaps I'll take on the task myself one day.
By itself, EV's galaxy and scenario are pretty simplistic. Its the classic Rebels vs. Evil Confederation conflict, very similar to Star Wars in some regards. I don't agree with David Arthur about the good vs. good assertion; I tend to believe that Matt Burch built the EV universe with favorable tendencies toward the Rebellion, and goes slightly out of its way to cast the Feds in a tyrannical light (see game opening, where you are introduced to the galaxy for the first time). Its a very simple plot with only a little depth to the plotline; you either take sides with the Rebels or the Confeds, go through that set, and then there's little else to do. The Independent/Pirate areas are limited to basic militia defense and easy smuggling missions, and not a lot is made out of the obvious trade wars between ConEx, Starbound Shipping, Astex, etc. Therefore EV depends majorly on plug-ins to keep people busy....which has worked very well.
In contrast EVO's Galaxy is a lot larger, with several plotlines that are a bit deeper than what you get in EV. At the same time the galaxy becomes a bit more "serious." EV was full of slight little spoofs, funny gags, and the sort. (Zaphod beeblebrox from Hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy, the ads you see in the holovid, and so on). EVO's tone isn't as light as EV's....its like EV and yet different, which is why people tend to think that EVO isn't as "EVish" is it could or should be. For the life of me I don't know why, but it feels different to fly around in EVO than it does in EV. Very strange.
Personally, I like Override's stock scenario a lot more than EV's. The downside is that there aren't as many expansions to it as there is for EV, which I think is really a shame. If you look hard you can really see a lot of possibilites that could be exploited in EVO, but which are not. No one has followed up the Zachit's escapades, developed a string for the ST Gades, or expanded on the NPD breakthrough (save for F-25, which is related). Worst of all, not a soul has tried to resolve the strand wars or explain the cryptic mysteries and purpose of the Council. Despite all of this and the fact that the engine is better than EV's, Override's possibilites simply have not been exploited as well as they could have been. Maybe in the future....but maybe not.
Ships, graphics, etc. I have to give the nod to EVO here. EV's Kestrel and Rebel Cruiser are nice, but EVO's are better done. IMHO, there's no comparison between EV's simplex Confed Cruiser/Frigate with those little blue dots on the wings and the rendition of the UE Cruiser. I don't know, I just think Override as the slight edge here.
I will acknowledge one major pain about Override's galaxy: the fact that depending on the ship you have, if you stray out of the area of space you got it from its impossible to re-arm your ship without taking a long trip. This can get very tedious. EVO's technology is way more diverse, but that special technology is only available in select places. EV's technology is way more centralized; you can get almost anything anywhere (except for the proton turret, which unbelievably is only available on Earth). That is one advantage of EV having a simpler galaxy. I personally reduce this hassle of EVO's by using a fast-jumping ship or using the lightningJump plugin, but its still a pain. You can't have everything though, and aside from this I like Override's galaxy quite a bit.
So, to summarize my thoughts:
Initinal plot: EVO wins
Galaxy/technology etc: EVO wins
Plug-ins/expanded scenarios: EV wins
Graphics: EVO wins
Convenience/user-friendly simplicity: EV
Funny value (EVish jokes, etc): EV wins
Engine: EVO wins (even if it isn't much exploited, the possibilities are there)
Conclusion: Quite frankly, I still play EV and EVO. I find value in them both. With no disrespect to the original, I'm going to say EVO is better, ever so slightly for the reason that I find Override's scenario and story to be a lot more intriguing to me. EV, however, is not to be missed. If there's anyone out there who's played only Override, play EV as well. You are missing some great things if you don't.
UEC
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(This message has been edited by UE Crusader (edited 05-29-2001).)
Maybe we should open a topic for discussions and reasons for voting on EV or EVO...
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EV's traditional storyline (empire v. rebellion) resonates for me, while EVO just seems overpopulated by aliens whose names are difficult to spell. The EVO universe sprawls to the point of boredom; too many jumps for too little fun. And EV's ship graphics are better rendered. The EVO game engine is far superior, but what good is that if the rest of the game doesn't appeal?
EV Classic gets my vote.
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