Oh... and Jubee...

Ok, well, the thing about working for the Voinians, then getting the fake ID, and going back to work for UE.... very few people do this. After finishing the voinian string, it's usually on to the ROTV series for most people..... or just start a new pilot file. To spend all the time working for the voinians, just so you can get bronev just isn't something a lot of people do... I was pointing that out, and mentioning that I didn't think that Carn did that. (Which, he didn't... he said above that he used a plug to get the Voinian missions after he did all the UE ones)....

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That only changed one mission a little bit!! If I started another pilot I would do the same thing, just in a different order!

P.S. And I think "To spend all the time working for the voinians, just so you can get bronev" is quite logical if you intend on spending lots of time in the Crescent!!

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Not that logical. 80 (or is it 60) armor doesn't take you THAT far. I find that fast ships with a good amount of guns and decent shielding are the best things for the crescent.

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No, Bronov gives you 1000 (Res-Edit scale).

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Without a doubt, the adzie warship is the strongest, since it is the fastest. This means it will easily outmaneouver (sp?) all AI ships and kill them off with 'edge-of-screen' techniques. Probably not for human counterplayers, but hey, EV is not multiplayer, now is it

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Hmmm... you used "AI ships" and "edge-of-screen techniques" in the same sentence.... they fact of the matter is, AI ships don't do edge of screen tactics....

Carn... ok, 100 armor doesn't take you far. I see how 250 can make a difference, but 100 just isn't something to waste 60 (or is it 80) space on... with that much space, I could get a fighter bay, or 2 secondary launchers and well over 20 modules/missiles/etc... which would be much more useful than dospect. yes, it's good on ships that have pathetic amounts of available space (like converted MHF's), but other than that, I think a fighter bay would be much more useful. (personal opinion)

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Voinian Cruiser and UE Cruiser are pretty even, but I think the Voinian Cruiser might have a slight edge.

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Hah! A UE Carrier will take out a Voinian Cruiser! :mad:

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Originally posted by The Catacomb:
**Hah! A UE Carrier will take out a Voinian Cruiser! :mad:
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now you've gone to far, in AI a V. Cruiser will beat a AI UE Cruiser. Even in player vs player it would be close. As the UE Cruiser has much more speed and should be able to monty python but the neutron turrets just go so far and accurate whihc is a large contrast to the blaze turrets 1) V. crusier has more armor and is therefor more effect in cresent (most of the map) 2)blaze turrets suck 3) In asteriods hunter missles are useless, therefor turrets rockets just as effective in accuracy and do more damage.

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Actually... in AI vs AI, the UE ships always win.... Destroyer kicks Frigate butt, and Carrier beats Cruiser.... it has to do with the fact that the UE ships are packed with Blaze turrets while the Voinian ships have very few turrets (yeah, space for a lot, but the actual AI ships only have like half as many turrets as given...)... The slow neutron turrets work very poorly against the quicker UE ships that just fire blaze turrets, turn around, and do it again....

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Originally posted by The Catacomb:
**Hah! A UE Carrier will take out a Voinian Cruiser! :mad:

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I agree.

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wow, had no idea

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Actually armor is at least 3 times better than shields in the cresent. Numbers from res edit support this. (Actually it is 3.2 times better against phase turrets. Its even better when you start adding in cresent secondary weapons most likely to be used like displ. rockets.) This means that 100 in armor is actually be as good as 350 to 450 in shields against cresent forces. I am using shipyard units. My point is that Bronev is very good stuff to get. However its strength is diminished against the voinians and would get cheesed if you went up against the emalgha.

Sorry, I got off subject. My personal ship is an Igazra. I like it for a couple of reasons not metioned earlier. The main one is "separation". What I mean is the ability to engage fighters separate from its carrier. The best example is the non upgraded azgardi warship. Its to speed is 175. An upgraded UE cruiser has a top speed of 175. An upgraded Igazra top speed is 205. I just feel it is easier to stay away from the Az. carrier with the upgraded Igazra. It is also fun to be the faster than any Voinian ship except the intercepter. I also don't care for escorts. Not that escorts are bad I just like the me against the galaxy thing. Thats just me. I also don't care for fighters for partly the same reason. Although, the main reason is the time to deploy them and I just like to brawl with other ships. That's why almost never use the M. Python. The Igazra just fits me better. I will admit though the UE cruiser is cool though. I do not like the V. Cruiser because of its inablity to "separate". I just feel like I am getting swarmed and I am going really slow. It feels even slower with cresent fighters flying past also.

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Originally posted by Flatulence:
**Actually... in AI vs AI, the UE ships always win.... Destroyer kicks Frigate butt, and Carrier beats Cruiser.... it has to do with the fact that the UE ships are packed with Blaze turrets while the Voinian ships have very few turrets (yeah, space for a lot, but the actual AI ships only have like half as many turrets as given...)... The slow neutron turrets work very poorly against the quicker UE ships that just fire blaze turrets, turn around, and do it again....
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Well, you are right on one thing: UE Destroyer always beats Voinian Frigate. However, you are way off when you said that a UE Carrier always beats the Voinian cruiser. It is highly incorrect! The UE Cruiser only has about 150 shields and only about 20 armor. The Voinian cruiser has 10 shields and 500 armor. It's easy to see that the Voinian cruiser wins. The Cruiser may be able to defeat a Voinian cruiser (though I doubt it), but V. Cruiser vs. UE Carrier the Voinian always wins.

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The UE Cruiser is proably the best ship, having so much armor and yet still being a little manuverable. I've never flown a Voinian Cruiser - i don't think I could stand it. I HATE slow and clumsy ships, so i ushally don't fly a UE Cruiser. Between the heavy ships, I perer the Igdzra. It's not as good as a UE Cruiser, but it can still kick the **** out of anything and it's a heck of a lot faster and more maunverable.

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Originally posted by Captain Carnotaur:
**Well, you are right on one thing: UE Destroyer always beats Voinian Frigate. However, you are way off when you said that a UE Carrier always beats the Voinian cruiser. It is highly incorrect! The UE Cruiser only has about 150 shields and only about 20 armor. The Voinian cruiser has 10 shields and 500 armor. It's easy to see that the Voinian cruiser wins. The Cruiser may be able to defeat a Voinian cruiser (though I doubt it), but V. Cruiser vs. UE Carrier the Voinian always wins.

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2 words, "Hunter Missiles", that's why we must not compare only shields though the voinian cruiser might win many times.

BTW, it's bronev plating, not bronov

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Even with few asteroids hunter missles are useless. I think they are the worst secondary weapon, depends on what kind of ship you use though. All UE weapons are bad, except for the rocket but that was taken from the voinians.

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(This message has been edited by widowmaker (edited 12-11-2000).)

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Originally posted by Captain Carnotaur:
**Well, you are right on one thing: UE Destroyer always beats Voinian Frigate. However, you are way off when you said that a UE Carrier always beats the Voinian cruiser. It is highly incorrect! The UE Cruiser only has about 150 shields and only about 20 armor. The Voinian cruiser has 10 shields and 500 armor. It's easy to see that the Voinian cruiser wins. The Cruiser may be able to defeat a Voinian cruiser (though I doubt it), but V. Cruiser vs. UE Carrier the Voinian always wins.
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By that logic, the frigate would kick Destroyer butt... I mean, 250 armor against 100some shields?

You can't just look at the numbers... it has to do with the turrets.

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UE Cruiser 300 shields 100 armor
UE Carrier 150 shields 80 armor

These values are for EVO 1.0.1
Hunter missles are easy for the AI to use and take some practice for us to use. I still like rockets more.

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By that logic, the frigate would kick Destroyer butt... I mean, 250 armor against 100some shields?

You can't just look at the numbers... it has to do with the turrets.

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100 shields? Hmmmm, lets see...

Looking up EVO data files...

Looking up UE Destroyer Shields...

Aha! Got it! UE Destroyer: 120 Shields

Also, Flatty, did you realize that the UE Destroyer had "3" Blaze turrets, while the Voinian frigate only has 2? Not only that, but the UE destroyer is more heavily armed than the Voinian frigate? Did you also realize that the UE Carrier also has "3" blaze turrets and the Voinian cruiser has 3 also? To state my point, the UE Destroyer has more guns than the Voinian frigate, and thus can defeat the frigates 250 armor with its 120 shields. The UE Carrier looses to the Voinian cruiser because it is MORE heavily armed than the UE carrier, and take for example, the fact that the UE carrier has no rockets. As you can see, my logic is not "incorrect" as you said.

P.S. I must also state again that I do not exactly know wether or not a UE Cruiser would win against a Voinian cruiser. I really haven't seen them go head-to-head yet. I'm intending to make a plug-in in which I can test the UE cruiser against its Voinian counterpart.

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