Hi, I'm on an Igadzra mission to kill or disperse the renegades in the Karra system and then return to Station Raelion. The problem is, I get attacked by about 15 or 20 cresent fighters as soon as I enter the system and they always kill me before I can do any serious damage to them.

My ship config is as follows:
Cresscent Warship with 4 phase turrets, 4 shield generators, dospect armor, Engine, RCS and Acceleration upgrades, a plasma siphon, Afterburner...

I thought that I would be able to keep enough ahead of the crescent fighters to turn and deal with them with the plasma siphon, but they are faster than me (even using the afterburner..I think my top speed is about 265) and swarm around me and kill me when I've only managed to kill 5 or 6 of them. I tried the mission with about 5 Arada escorts, but it's really no better. They go off shooting something else rather than staying around and defending me..and besides, you have to change target every couple of seconds when surrounded by the crescent fighters.

So, how do I do it? I've tried it with the best ship I can get, with escorts, with all the "techniques" (outrun, hit them with the plasma siphon) that I know, but am still getting regularly murdered.

Any advice most welcome

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Glynnor

Get a ship with Mucho Armor.

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Yeah phase turrets sucks against armor That is definetly something to keep in mind.

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(This message has been edited by Bubaganoosh (edited 11-29-2000).)

dispy rockets work well.

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Dah... forget what everyone else said

The afterburner is key. I do every mission in a Crescent Warship or an Igazra, and I hardly ever die due to fighter swarms.....

First, allow me to explain my first comment.... yes, armor would be useful, but armored ships are slow and very annoying to play with. (Voinian ships)... yes, phase turrets suck against armor, but reguardless, you'll want to keep your CW.

As for dispersal rockets.... well, by the time you've aimed a shot and are ready to fire, chances are the fighters will have already swarmed you....

So, here's what you do.... well, one comment first... you're wrong about them being faster than you with the afterburner.... if you have the Miranu speed upgrade (which you NEED), your afterburner will send you along faster than an Azdara.

So, anyway, out come the 20 ships. Wait until a few are on your screen. Select nearest, fire at it... it'll be destroyed soon.... repeat until the swarm comes on to you... then afterburner away. Repeat the process until you've thinned out their ranks enough so that you can take the rest out head-on.

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Thats what I do Flatty... Forgot he didn't have the speed upgrade.

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Originally posted by The Catacomb:
**Get a ship with Mucho Armor.
**

I think my ship has a lot of armor, boosted by dospect armor - how can I get more?...only the Igazra (sp?) has more I believe...but the Ig was so slow it just got shot up.

Your website, though interesting did not offer any specific tips to deal with this problem. Perhaps I should ask the question another way:

If you (anyone out there listening) have managed to defeat the renegades in the Karra system, how did you do it?

Thanks

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Glynnor

Thanks for your advice. I do have the Thrust, Engine and RCS upgrades from the Miranu...but still the crescent fighters seems faster - or must I be imagining it in the panic of the moment??

I'll try what you said and report back.

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Glynnor

Flatty - It didn't work...whatever the reason, I get swarmed and my speed (even using afterburner) is not sufficient to get me out of range of the crescent fighters (little white ones with blue stripes right?).

So, now I'm still at a loss of what to do. I can't outrun them, I can't outshoot them, even hiring/using escorts doesn't work...

I DO have the Miranu speed upgrades and was using afterburner, but still they are faster than me. Am I going to have to downgrade to an Arada and try and outrun them??

Again, advice welcome

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Glynnor

Downgradings sucks. I'd suggest UPGRADING to an Igazra.... try capturing one. And really, the crescent fighters should NOT be faster than you. Do you press and HOLD the afterburner key?

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(This message has been edited by Flatulence (edited 11-29-2000).)

glynnor did you get bronev platting or dospect armor?

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Originally posted by Flatulence:
**Downgradings sucks. I'd suggest UPGRADING to an Igazra.... try capturing one. And really, the crescent fighters should NOT be faster than you. Do you press and HOLD the afterburner key?
**

(laughing)...yes, I do press and hold the afterburner key...do I need to adjust the game speed maybe? (though speed should be relative I would have thought...and it's currently at the default setting)

My ship stats are:

Turn Rate 90 degrees per sec
Accel rate: 224
Max speed: 250

Does that sound right...I'll check the stats on the crescent fighter and see if they should be faster than me...hmmm, don't know where to find that info...you?

On previously trying this mission with an Igazra, I just got shot to pieces because I was so slow...but I think that was with only the Thrust Upgrade (though with 5 phase turrets)

It was because of this that I downgraded to a Crescent Warship (though I didn't get my 15m back from purchasing the Igazra...sulk!)

Hmmm, this is obviously proving to be a more difficult question to answer than I thought.

If you have any bright ideas, let me know, otherwise I may have to abandon this mission string forever.

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Glynnor

Teh. send me your pilot file and I'll do the mission :D....

but seriously... you shouldn't be having those problems. I've found that the afterburner keeps me alive and faster than my enemy in EVERY battle except trying to take over council station.... those Crescent Fighters are on speed. Holy crap.

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(QUOTE)Originally posted by Flatulence:
(B)Teh. send me your pilot file and I'll do the mission :D....

I see your bluff and I raise it! I've sent you my pilot file by private email so that you can try the mission with my set-up. Pure EVO, no plug-ins my end. Let me know how you get on.

Thanks

PS Is your web name anything to do with the novel Ender's Game, by Orson Scott Card? I remember a part of the story where a Colonel calls an ignorant utterance by one of the new "space cadets" _ flatulence. Just wondered..if not, ignore....

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Glynnor

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but seriously... you shouldn't be having those problems. I've found that the afterburner keeps me alive and faster than my enemy in EVERY battle except trying to take over council station.... those Crescent Fighters are on speed. Holy crap.
(/B)(/QUOTE)

You also might like to know that I can't outrun the Zidagar either..if they come after me with their phased beam weapons and I don't kill them quickly enough...I can't outrun them. I'm starting to wonder whether my Crescent Warship is missing a gear? or stuck in second, or covered in space molasses...

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Glynnor

(quote)Originally posted by glynnor:
**(QUOTE)Originally posted by Flatulence:
**Teh. send me your pilot file and I'll do the mission....

I see your bluff and I raise it! I've sent you my pilot file by private email so that you can try the mission with my set-up. Pure EVO, no plug-ins my end. Let me know how you get on.

Thanks

PS Is your web name anything to do with the novel Ender's Game, by Orson Scott Card? I remember a part of the story where a Colonel calls an ignorant utterance by one of the new "space cadets" _ flatulence. Just wondered..if not, ignore....
**(/quote)

hmmm... damn bluff callers. Alright, I'll give it a try....

No, I wasn't thinking of Ender when I thought of my name... although I did enjoy reading the Ender Quartet very much...

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One problem.... that's my old email address that's discontinued.

New one is: fgpeters@qwest.net

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Originally posted by Bubaganoosh:
**Yeah phase turrets sucks against armor:) That is definetly something to keep in mind.
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True, true, true...

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Originally posted by glynnor:
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Your website, though interesting did not offer any specific tips to deal with this problem.

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My site's about EV not EVO.

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The reason the Crescent Fighters are still faster even when you afterburner is that they are using afterburners too!! By 8 Miranu Defence Pod Launchers and as many pods as you can fit. Then when the fighters swarm you, start releasing pods. Keep firing turrets and pods and you'll take 'em down. You're not going to be able to outrun them, trust me.

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